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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#221 » by vvoland » Thu May 29, 2025 10:30 pm

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That would be a tricky trade to pull off. Mitchell is in the same situation as JK, subject to the same BYC restrictions in an S&T. While the Warriors would count $10M (using your numbers) going out and 21M coming back (2 players), Miami would count 13M going out and 20M coming in. Both teams would be hard-capped at the 1st apron also. Could be done, of course, but would probably need more players and another team involved.


We have the full MLE. We should just offer that to Mitchell. Doubt anyone else would offer him more except for Miami. Nets are not planning to pursue Kuminga so I think we should just give JK the $8m QO.


Ya, there is a scenario we could use full MLE on Mitchell, which i’d be fine with. I just assume the Heat will match that, so my theory is that getting creative with S&Ts get both teams something out of the deal that they want, while we avoid having the heat just match.


Staying below the 1st apron while using the NTMLE seems very difficult. Next year, we have Steph/Dray/Jimmy at 140M while the first apron is at 196. Even if we bring back JK on the QO, if we keep podz, moody, and buddy we would be at 171M for 7 players.

Obviously if we trade Dray all bets are off. I we let JK walk for nothing (or trade him for future draft assets), we would get pretty close.
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Post#222 » by floppymoose » Thu May 29, 2025 10:32 pm

None of this is on Kerr, Dray, or anyone other than Kuminga. If JK wants more opportunity he can rebound the damn ball. I hated rebounding and wasnt great at it. If i had JKs body i would avg at least 2 more boards a game than he does.
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Post#223 » by Onus » Thu May 29, 2025 10:53 pm

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bay2hk wrote:Nets are not planning to pursue Kuminga ...

How do you know this for certain? I don't. Everything right now is rumor and probably a lot of misdirection coming from the teams, players, and agents.

Right now, the Nets are stating they will keep Cam and all four of their first round picks, assuming they can't cobble some of them together and trade up in the draft. Could be true, or it could be a smokescreen to up the price for Cam and their first round picks.

The Nets would be smart to tank next year as 26 is a very top heavy draft. I would assume they would want to use their cap space to facilitate trades and stock up on draft picks.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#224 » by whatisacenter » Thu May 29, 2025 11:26 pm

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bay2hk wrote:Nets are not planning to pursue Kuminga ...

How do you know this for certain? I don't. Everything right now is rumor and probably a lot of misdirection coming from the teams, players, and agents.

Right now, the Nets are stating they will keep Cam and all four of their first round picks, assuming they can't cobble some of them together and trade up in the draft. Could be true, or it could be a smokescreen to up the price for Cam and their first round picks.

The Nets would be smart to tank next year as 26 is a very top heavy draft. I would assume they would want to use their cap space to facilitate trades and stock up on draft picks.


Tanking doesn't necessarily work.
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Post#225 » by vvoland » Thu May 29, 2025 11:31 pm

floppymoose wrote:None of this is on Kerr, Dray, or anyone other than Kuminga. If JK wants more opportunity he can rebound the damn ball. I hated rebounding and wasnt great at it. If i had JKs body i would avg at least 2 more boards a game than he does.


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Post#226 » by Onus » Thu May 29, 2025 11:39 pm

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statsman wrote:How do you know this for certain? I don't. Everything right now is rumor and probably a lot of misdirection coming from the teams, players, and agents.

Right now, the Nets are stating they will keep Cam and all four of their first round picks, assuming they can't cobble some of them together and trade up in the draft. Could be true, or it could be a smokescreen to up the price for Cam and their first round picks.

The Nets would be smart to tank next year as 26 is a very top heavy draft. I would assume they would want to use their cap space to facilitate trades and stock up on draft picks.


Tanking doesn't necessarily work.

Sure but they’re not close to contending. They have no one to build around. So acquiring assets to find someone to build around is probably in their best interest.
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Post#227 » by Old_Blue » Thu May 29, 2025 11:48 pm

floppymoose wrote:If i had JKs body i would avg at least 2 more boards a game than he does.


Under this scenario, do you retain your own brain? If so, I'm calling BS that you could do anything better than Kuminga. :D

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Post#228 » by floppymoose » Fri May 30, 2025 12:37 am

Half this board would rebound better than JK if they had his body. Its not about me. Its about JK.
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Post#229 » by bay2hk » Fri May 30, 2025 12:40 am

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We have the full MLE. We should just offer that to Mitchell. Doubt anyone else would offer him more except for Miami. Nets are not planning to pursue Kuminga so I think we should just give JK the $8m QO.


Ya, there is a scenario we could use full MLE on Mitchell, which i’d be fine with. I just assume the Heat will match that, so my theory is that getting creative with S&Ts get both teams something out of the deal that they want, while we avoid having the heat just match.


Staying below the 1st apron while using the NTMLE seems very difficult. Next year, we have Steph/Dray/Jimmy at 140M while the first apron is at 196. Even if we bring back JK on the QO, if we keep podz, moody, and buddy we would be at 171M for 7 players.

Obviously if we trade Dray all bets are off. I we let JK walk for nothing (or trade him for future draft assets), we would get pretty close.


It’s also an option to break our NTMLE to sign multiple players and stay under the first apron. This assumes JK taking the QO.
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Post#230 » by whatisacenter » Fri May 30, 2025 1:04 am

Man I hope they trade JK, not because I don’t like him, but because I hate reading everyone’s comments about him.
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Post#231 » by Ilovethebay » Fri May 30, 2025 2:49 am

whatisacenter wrote:Man I hope they trade JK, not because I don’t like him, but because I hate reading everyone’s comments about him.


Can’t blame you. I still hope he pans out. It will be fun reading everyone eat crow.
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Post#232 » by statsman » Fri May 30, 2025 3:25 am

bay2hk wrote:This assumes JK taking the QO.

There are several reasons why I don't see this happening. Among them, the Warriors won't be able to trade JK without his consent. If he didn't want to go to the team the Warriors wanted to trade him to, the trade would be dead.

In addition, any team acquiring JK (signed to the QO) in a trade would not acquire his full Bird rights. It would reset to the non-Bird rights, which means the team acquiring him would be limited to 120% of his QO in the first season unless they have the full MLE available or enough cap space next offseason. Unless the Warriors attached one or more first round picks with JK, no other team is going to trade for JK playing on a QO.
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Post#233 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri May 30, 2025 3:44 am

I think we can rule out the nets for kuminga.

They have no intention to submit a FA offer, but are inclined to facilitate a trade with their capspace. So, to absorb jk, they want compensation. Then further compensation if it involves anyone of value like CJ. That's a lot of potential picks.

I think he's back on a 4/120 type deal.
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Post#234 » by bay2hk » Fri May 30, 2025 3:44 am

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bay2hk wrote:This assumes JK taking the QO.

There are several reasons why I don't see this happening. Among them, the Warriors won't be able to trade JK without his consent. If he didn't want to go to the team the Warriors wanted to trade him to, the trade would be dead.

In addition, any team acquiring JK (signed to the QO) in a trade would not acquire his full Bird rights. It would reset to the non-Bird rights, which means the team acquiring him would be limited to 120% of his QO in the first season unless they have the full MLE available or enough cap space next offseason. Unless the Warriors attached one or more first round picks with JK, no other team is going to trade for JK playing on a QO.


Yea, that’s a risk. There’s also a scenario where JK gets no interest during FA and waits to sign his QO before season starts. In this case, it would limit the warriors from signing free agents to only minimum salary contracts until his cap hold situation is resolved. Again, I don’t see JK signing for more than the NTMLE unless we help facilitate a S&T.
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Post#235 » by SpreeS » Fri May 30, 2025 7:04 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:I think we can rule out the nets for kuminga.

They have no intention to submit a FA offer, but are inclined to facilitate a trade with their capspace. So, to absorb jk, they want compensation. Then further compensation if it involves anyone of value like CJ. That's a lot of potential picks.

I think he's back on a 4/120 type deal.


This would the best way for everyone. GSW would have 50 games to figure out before trade dead line.

1. Give Kuminga 30min playing time mostly with main players.
2. If we are TOP4 team in the West and Kuminga playing well, keep him.
3. If we are somewhere between 5-8th, b/c of Kuminga, trade him for Poole/Wiggs/Simons/Collins
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Post#236 » by bay2hk » Fri May 30, 2025 7:30 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:I think we can rule out the nets for kuminga.

They have no intention to submit a FA offer, but are inclined to facilitate a trade with their capspace. So, to absorb jk, they want compensation. Then further compensation if it involves anyone of value like CJ. That's a lot of potential picks.

I think he's back on a 4/120 type deal.


This would the best way for everyone. GSW would have 50 games to figure out before trade dead line.

1. Give Kuminga 30min playing time mostly with main players.
2. If we are TOP4 team in the West and Kuminga playing well, keep him.
3. If we are somewhere between 5-8th, b/c of Kuminga, trade him for Poole/Wiggs/Simons/Collins


This sounds like another Jordan Poole situation. If things don’t work out then we would need to trade a pick to get out of JK’s contract. We’re essentially bidding against ourselves if we offer anything more than the non taxpayer MLE.

Warriors were on the verge of making some bad deals last offseason with PG13, Lauri and the $150m JK contract. Let’s hope Dunleavy / Lacob avoid making dumb decisions this offseason.
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Post#237 » by SpreeS » Fri May 30, 2025 8:20 am

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:I think we can rule out the nets for kuminga.

They have no intention to submit a FA offer, but are inclined to facilitate a trade with their capspace. So, to absorb jk, they want compensation. Then further compensation if it involves anyone of value like CJ. That's a lot of potential picks.

I think he's back on a 4/120 type deal.


This would the best way for everyone. GSW would have 50 games to figure out before trade dead line.

1. Give Kuminga 30min playing time mostly with main players.
2. If we are TOP4 team in the West and Kuminga playing well, keep him.
3. If we are somewhere between 5-8th, b/c of Kuminga, trade him for Poole/Wiggs/Simons/Collins


This sounds like another Jordan Poole situation. If things don’t work out then we would need to trade a pick to get out of JK’s contract. We’re essentially bidding against ourselves if we offer anything more than the non taxpayer MLE.

Warriors were on the verge of making some bad deals last offseason with PG13, Lauri and the $150m JK contract. Let’s hope Dunleavy / Lacob avoid making dumb decisions this offseason.


It's a gamble. But if Kuminga plays well and GSW has good record, we could be in a game if something good shows up in trade market. We could add Podz, Moody and picks and get ALL-Star level player like did with Butler.

Now bad way, if Kuminga won't show up. This mostly on Kerr. The worst case scenario if FO pays 30mln/y and Kerr plays him 20/22min per game. Everyone knows how ugly will look Kuminga contract in this case. Kuminga played 27 games +30min in last two years and had 22pts on avg with good TS, plus GSW won 16 games. So if Kerr plays him around 30min he will look mostly ok and will be tradable contract.
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Post#238 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri May 30, 2025 9:43 am

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This would the best way for everyone. GSW would have 50 games to figure out before trade dead line.

1. Give Kuminga 30min playing time mostly with main players.
2. If we are TOP4 team in the West and Kuminga playing well, keep him.
3. If we are somewhere between 5-8th, b/c of Kuminga, trade him for Poole/Wiggs/Simons/Collins


This sounds like another Jordan Poole situation. If things don’t work out then we would need to trade a pick to get out of JK’s contract. We’re essentially bidding against ourselves if we offer anything more than the non taxpayer MLE.

Warriors were on the verge of making some bad deals last offseason with PG13, Lauri and the $150m JK contract. Let’s hope Dunleavy / Lacob avoid making dumb decisions this offseason.


It's a gamble. But if Kuminga plays well and GSW has good record, we could be in a game if something good shows up in trade market. We could add Podz, Moody and picks and get ALL-Star level player like did with Butler.

Now bad way, if Kuminga won't show up. This mostly on Kerr. The worst case scenario if FO pays 30mln/y and Kerr plays him 20/22min per game. Everyone knows how ugly will look Kuminga contract in this case. Kuminga played 27 games +30min in last two years and had 22pts on avg with good TS, plus GSW won 16 games. So if Kerr plays him around 30min he will look mostly ok and will be tradable contract.



According to slater, kuminga doesn't want to be in a supporting position. He wants to be the featured player in the offense.

Kuminga back to using the media to get what he wants. I have a feeling he's got lacobs backing. My 4/120 projection might have been selling him short. :lol:
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Post#239 » by Onus » Fri May 30, 2025 12:56 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
SpreeS wrote:
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This sounds like another Jordan Poole situation. If things don’t work out then we would need to trade a pick to get out of JK’s contract. We’re essentially bidding against ourselves if we offer anything more than the non taxpayer MLE.

Warriors were on the verge of making some bad deals last offseason with PG13, Lauri and the $150m JK contract. Let’s hope Dunleavy / Lacob avoid making dumb decisions this offseason.


It's a gamble. But if Kuminga plays well and GSW has good record, we could be in a game if something good shows up in trade market. We could add Podz, Moody and picks and get ALL-Star level player like did with Butler.

Now bad way, if Kuminga won't show up. This mostly on Kerr. The worst case scenario if FO pays 30mln/y and Kerr plays him 20/22min per game. Everyone knows how ugly will look Kuminga contract in this case. Kuminga played 27 games +30min in last two years and had 22pts on avg with good TS, plus GSW won 16 games. So if Kerr plays him around 30min he will look mostly ok and will be tradable contract.



According to slater, kuminga doesn't want to be in a supporting position. He wants to be the featured player in the offense.

Kuminga back to using the media to get what he wants. I have a feeling he's got lacobs backing. My 4/120 projection might have been selling him short. :lol:

4/120 is steep. Giddey is asking 5/120. That seems more inline with what JK will get. There's literally no one that will be able to offer him more than that. I think it'll probably be between 15-30m/year, with it probably being on the lower end of this range since no one will be able to offer him more. Which sucks for Moody because he'll be once again deprioritized.
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Post#240 » by statsman » Fri May 30, 2025 4:34 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:According to slater, kuminga doesn't want to be in a supporting position. He wants to be the featured player in the offense.

Kuminga back to using the media to get what he wants. I have a feeling he's got lacobs backing. My 4/120 projection might have been selling him short. :lol:

I am convinced the Warriors will screwed this up. Decisions made a few years ago have pinned them into this position. Much of this stems from Lacob, and I think he still believes he's the smartest person in the room with regards to player talent.

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