Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[EvanZ]

LMAO --- that is the reaction Memphis would have to that phone call

[EvanZ]

someone suggested this on twitter and I kinda like it

#7 + James Wiseman

for

#10 + Jaren Jackson Jr.

we likely lose out on Moody in this scenario but I loooove JJJ in our system with our team and we'll still have a strong change at Johnson or Franz or Giddey or even Kuminga.

You really don't know Memphis

[The-Power]

someone suggested this on twitter and I kinda like it

#7 + James Wiseman

for

#10 + Jaren Jackson Jr.

we likely lose out on Moody in this scenario but I loooove JJJ in our system with our team and we'll still have a strong change at Johnson or Franz or Giddey or even Kuminga.

Obviously you need to be very high in JJJ – not because of what we give up, necessarily, but because you would have to be willing to pay him a lot of money. But since I've been a JJJ fan since the draft, I'd do it even though he's been underwhelming and I've lowered on him a bit. If he can stay healthy, he'd certainly help us now and still provide us with a player who could be really good in the future.

I also don't think we're necessarily losing out on Moody in this scenario. I haven't followed all the mock drafts but it seems to me that Moody isn't ranked all that highly by many guys with contacts into the league. Everything depends on the big boards in this case, of course, but I can easily see a scenario in which the Warriors favorite for the 7th pick is still going to be around at 10 – or that the Warriors have a couple of players who they are similarly high on for the 7th pick, which makes trading down a much easier choice.

edit: But I also believe that Memphis is unlikely to seriously consider that offer.

If the Warriors indeed have a couple of prospects ranked similarly or like someone who's likely available at 10, I do like the trade proposal on the TT-board to trade the 7th pick and fillers for the 10th pick, Bane and Tillman. If the Grizzlies really want someone at 7 because they believe that the player is going to be a building block for the future, they should be willing to part with some solid role players – and if the Warriors are not particularly interested in Kuminga or whoever else is highly sought after in that range, they should be happy to add the cheap depth.

[clyde21]

someone suggested this on twitter and I kinda like it

#7 + James Wiseman

for

#10 + Jaren Jackson Jr.

we likely lose out on Moody in this scenario but I loooove JJJ in our system with our team and we'll still have a strong change at Johnson or Franz or Giddey or even Kuminga.

I really like it... and I'd risk Moody on it. But yea would surprise me if Moody is there at 10, ORL will have a huge SF need if they select Barnes @ 5, and Sacto is right behind them with a gaping hole at wing as well behind Hield/Barnes, neither of whom are a true wing like Moody

Moody will for sure be gone, I think that's who Memphis is targeting tbh, so if they get #7 they take Moody most likely...if not there's no way he gets passed Magic @ 8 or Sac @ 9.

that said, i think i'd take that risk because there should still be someone I like at 10, and really like JJJ in our scheme defensively. we can get Jalen Johnson or Franz Wagner at 10 and then either Giddey or Murphy @ 14 and we're solid

[clyde21]

LMAO --- that is the reaction Memphis would have to that phone call

meh, not like JJJ is a sure thing, he's been unable to stay on the court and when he has been on the court he's really struggled with fouls...he's not without flaws of his own, and Wiseman is a Memphis product who actually fits quite well with a guy like Ja.

also Memphis REALLY loves Moody by all accounts, so if they want him, that's what it's gonna take and it's a pretty fair deal overall given that we'd be dropping from 7 and losing out on Moody ourselves to make it happen.

funny thing is...I was actually thinking about having Memphis throw in their #40 pick too.

[FNQ]

someone suggested this on twitter and I kinda like it

#7 + James Wiseman

for

#10 + Jaren Jackson Jr.

we likely lose out on Moody in this scenario but I loooove JJJ in our system with our team and we'll still have a strong change at Johnson or Franz or Giddey or even Kuminga.

I really like it... and I'd risk Moody on it. But yea would surprise me if Moody is there at 10, ORL will have a huge SF need if they select Barnes @ 5, and Sacto is right behind them with a gaping hole at wing as well behind Hield/Barnes, neither of whom are a true wing like Moody

Moody will for sure be gone, I think that's who Memphis is targeting tbh, so if they get #7 they take Moody most likely...if not there's no way he gets passed Magic @ 8 or Sac @ 9.

that said, i think i'd take that risk because there should still be someone I like at 10, and really like JJJ in our scheme defensively. we can get Jalen Johnson or Franz Wagner at 10 and then either Giddey or Murphy @ 14 and we're solid

Reports are Kuminga or Bouk for them, whoever drops. I’m more than willing to facilitate if it gets us some good role players and/or lessens or erases the pick we owe them. Would really help for big time deals to get that pick back on our books

[clyde21]

someone suggested this on twitter and I kinda like it

#7 + James Wiseman

for

#10 + Jaren Jackson Jr.

we likely lose out on Moody in this scenario but I loooove JJJ in our system with our team and we'll still have a strong change at Johnson or Franz or Giddey or even Kuminga.

Obviously you need to be very high in JJJ – not because of what we give up, necessarily, but because you would have to be willing to pay him a lot of money. But since I've been a JJJ fan since the draft, I'd do it even though he's been underwhelming and I've lowered on him a bit. If he can stay healthy, he'd certainly help us now and still provide us with a player who could be really good in the future.

I also don't think we're necessarily losing out on Moody in this scenario. I haven't followed all the mock drafts but it seems to me that Moody isn't ranked all that highly by many guys with contacts into the league. Everything depends on the big boards in this case, of course, but I can easily see a scenario in which the Warriors favorite for the 7th pick is still going to be around at 10 – or that the Warriors have a couple of players who they are similarly high on for the 7th pick, which makes trading down a much easier choice.

edit: But I also believe that Memphis is unlikely to seriously consider that offer.

If the Warriors indeed have a couple of prospects ranked similarly or like someone who's likely available at 10, I do like the trade proposal on the TT-board to trade the 7th pick and fillers for the 10th pick, Bane and Tillman. If the Grizzlies really want someone at 7 because they believe that the player is going to be a building block for the future, they should be willing to part with some solid role players – and if the Warriors are not particularly interested in Kuminga or whoever else is highly sought after in that range, they should be happy to add the cheap depth.

i'd do #7 + Wiseman for #10 + Tillman and Bane and #40.

[clyde21]

I really like it... and I'd risk Moody on it. But yea would surprise me if Moody is there at 10, ORL will have a huge SF need if they select Barnes @ 5, and Sacto is right behind them with a gaping hole at wing as well behind Hield/Barnes, neither of whom are a true wing like Moody

Moody will for sure be gone, I think that's who Memphis is targeting tbh, so if they get #7 they take Moody most likely...if not there's no way he gets passed Magic @ 8 or Sac @ 9.

that said, i think i'd take that risk because there should still be someone I like at 10, and really like JJJ in our scheme defensively. we can get Jalen Johnson or Franz Wagner at 10 and then either Giddey or Murphy @ 14 and we're solid

Reports are Kuminga or Bouk for them, whoever drops. I’m more than willing to facilitate if it gets us some good role players and/or lessens or erases the pick we owe them. Would really help for big time deals to get that pick back on our books

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[EvanZ]

We should just take Moody. I wish for once we'd just do the obviously good thing.

[FNQ]

Moody will for sure be gone, I think that's who Memphis is targeting tbh, so if they get #7 they take Moody most likely...if not there's no way he gets passed Magic @ 8 or Sac @ 9.

that said, i think i'd take that risk because there should still be someone I like at 10, and really like JJJ in our scheme defensively. we can get Jalen Johnson or Franz Wagner at 10 and then either Giddey or Murphy @ 14 and we're solid

Reports are Kuminga or Bouk for them, whoever drops. I’m more than willing to facilitate if it gets us some good role players and/or lessens or erases the pick we owe them. Would really help for big time deals to get that pick back on our books

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O'Conner has them moving up for Kuminga/Bouk, after the trade hit. 7 is where you'd have to get to definitely land Moody though..

But if they moved up to 10 with the idea of moving up to 7, bleed them dry for it. I would be shocked if it were Moody though honestly, he's a great fit for us and all, but would a team really move JVals and absorb Bledsoe's salary for Moody? I would think its for a higher upside guy, especially since they have a lot of players who already fit the 3&D mold.

Whoever it is, itll cost quite a bit to make the Warriors move down, and we know the #5 and #6 teams arent moving down either. Cant imagine they want Suggs or Mobley, and they dont have the capital to move into top 2. We're the highest pick they could probably acquire, and thats if we're interested in moving down. Maybe ORL at 8, but what would they pay just to leapfrog SAC? And no point in trading with SAC.. I really like how this is shaping up, honestly

[HiRez]

Having 10 instead of 7 would be really interesting because it removes the Kuminga/Bouknight conundrum. At 10, several of Moody, Wagner, Giddey, Bouknight, or Jalen Johnson is guaranteed to be there, which I'd be fine with depending on the assets we have coming back. If we could get Bane in the deal as clyde suggested that would be amazing.

Hell, if the Grizz really want to guarantee themselves Moody, I would just do 7 + Smailagic + Mulder for 10 + Bane. Bane is likely already as good as anyone you'd get at 14 anyway (he's already giving you everything you want from Duarte: better size/strength, NBA-proven 3 range, a year of NBA experience), then you could actually just flip the 14 pick for a vet, trade down to the Knicks for 19 + 21, put it into the deal to erase our 2024 owed pick to Memphis, or hang onto it and see if someone else you like drops out of the top 13. Lots of options.

If you follow up with the Knicks trade, you'll probably get to pick among some guys like maybe Sengun, maybe Zhaire, Springer, Butler, Primo, etc.

Coming out of this draft with Wagner/Giddey/JJ and Bane, while keeping Wiseman, and either 14 or 19 + 21 would be ridiculous. Let's see how bad Memphis wants someone at 7.

[clyde21]

Reports are Kuminga or Bouk for them, whoever drops. I’m more than willing to facilitate if it gets us some good role players and/or lessens or erases the pick we owe them. Would really help for big time deals to get that pick back on our books

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O'Conner has them moving up for Kuminga/Bouk, after the trade hit. 7 is where you'd have to get to definitely land Moody though..

But if they moved up to 10 with the idea of moving up to 7, bleed them dry for it. I would be shocked if it were Moody though honestly, he's a great fit for us and all, but would a team really move JVals and absorb Bledsoe's salary for Moody? I would think its for a higher upside guy, especially since they have a lot of players who already fit the 3&D mold.

Whoever it is, itll cost quite a bit to make the Warriors move down, and we know the #5 and #6 teams arent moving down either. Cant imagine they want Suggs or Mobley, and they dont have the capital to move into top 2. We're the highest pick they could probably acquire, and thats if we're interested in moving down. Maybe ORL at 8, but what would they pay just to leapfrog SAC? And no point in trading with SAC.. I really like how this is shaping up, honestly

Jval doesn't mean anything for Memphis at this point, and it's well worth #10 and a 2022 1st for them

at the end of the who knows, I think Moody actually makes a lot of sense for Memphis too so I think that's who they have their eyes on, but could very well just stay put at 10 and take a Bouknight (ew) or Kuminga

well see...i'd do that trade tho if it's on the table, i'm just a big JJJ fan.

no sweat off my back tho if we don't tho...as long as we take Moody at 7 i aint mad at it.

[hadzi dogg]

What are your guys thoughts on offering a package for Jerami Grant and Mason Plumlee? Would something along the lines of #7, #14, Wiseman and Wiggins/Oubre in a S&T be appealing?

I think Grants flexibility as a 3 that can play 4 in small-ball lineup is super enticing to you guys. You also can get out of Wiggins contract if you want and Plumlee is also a very very solid big man. (10-9-4 with solid defense and positive advanced stats/metrics).

I think this is a move that makes you guys extremely well rounded and shows potential ring chasing vets that you are serious about contention.

[Old_Blue]

Reports are Kuminga or Bouk for them, whoever drops. I’m more than willing to facilitate if it gets us some good role players and/or lessens or erases the pick we owe them. Would really help for big time deals to get that pick back on our books

I like the reasoning here. Even at #10, you're looking for at least one of the following to still be available...Moody, Giddey and Jalen Johnson. Then you can deal first round picks in 2022, 2024 and 2026 for whatever.

[ChuckDurn]

What are your guys thoughts on offering a package for Jerami Grant and Mason Plumlee? Would something along the lines of #7, #14, Wiseman and Wiggins/Oubre in a S&T be appealing?

I think Grants flexibility as a 3 that can play 4 in small-ball lineup is super enticing to you guys. You also can get out of Wiggins contract if you want and Plumlee is also a very very solid big man. (10-9-4 with solid defense and positive advanced stats/metrics).

I think this is a move that makes you guys extremely well rounded and shows potential ring chasing vets that you are serious about contention.

No. I’m not interested in any deal for Grant, who I consider only marginally better as a player in our system than Wiggins.

[mos_def]

We should just take Moody. I wish for once we'd just do the obviously good thing.

How did you place the two in the same sentence unless you a Kings fan

[Commodor]

What about something based around;

GSW gets Dillon Brooks & #10

Memphis gets Wiseman, Poole, #7

[ChuckDurn]

What about something based around;

GSW gets Dillon Brooks & #10

Memphis gets Wiseman, Poole, #7

I agree with what everyone else will say about this idea.

[Old_Blue]

What about something based around;

GSW gets Dillon Brooks & #10

Memphis gets Wiseman, Poole, #7

This would be a huge admission of failure.

[FNQ]

What about something based around;

GSW gets Dillon Brooks & #10

Memphis gets Wiseman, Poole, #7

I could see that.. but just gonna make some quick edits.

Take out Wiseman, Poole, and Brooks. Add someone who fits our system coming from them. Maybe 2. And/or increase protection on our 2024 1st or give it back altogether

Something like that, instead of something really really bad for us