Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[ahmetmekin]

Here is a Lowe article with plenty of rumors, takes etc. He discusses 28000 different trade scenarios but I did not find the parts regarding the Warriors that interesting.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30221719/giannis-antetokounmpo-future-all-star-trades-nba-draft-everything-else-watch-offseason?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[jason bourne]

If this all the Knicks will offer -- Julius Randle or Frank Ntilikina + #8 -- then is it worth trading down with them?

What about #8, Kevin Knox II, and two Dallas first-rounders?

"Under new management, the New York Knicks are looking to make a statement in the 2020 NBA draft. Whether they make a blockbuster move to acquire LaMelo Ball at the top of the draft, the Knicks had unfortunate luck in the lottery, falling all the way to the 8th spot.

They had high hopes of having a top draft pick, but now they are forced to make a difficult decision, which could send away foundational youth players to acquire a top talent.

They do have some tradable pieces, including Julius Randle and point guard Frank Ntilikona. However, there are two players that they would prefer to keep.

ESPN’s Zach Lowe stated that the Knicks are not looking to engage in a trade that would send RJ Barrett or Mitchell Robinson away:

Finding a trade-back scenario that nabs veteran help while reaping appropriate value for the No. 2 pick is difficult. A potential package from the Knicks of No. 8, Kevin Knox II, and two Dallas first-rounders doesn’t get it done, and might not leave enough of the trade exception for another quality player. (New York has been reluctant to discuss RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson, sources say.)"

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/report-2-players-the-new-york-knicks-refuse-to-trade-away/

[jason bourne]

Maybe I'd consider trading the #2 with the Knicks for #8 + Julius Randle (TPE) + two Mavericks first rounders. Mark Cuban is a wheeler dealer. Or even a future Knicks first rounder. They may be wheeler dealers, too. It's worth taking a chance on drafting LaMelo Ball. Ball could play backup PG if no deal materializes during the draft.

[Onus]

The only teams that make sense to trade back with in the top 10 are Chicago, Atlanta and phx. Unless the other teams are offering 1st rd picks in 21

[jason bourne]

Certainly, I'd ask for a Knicks future FRP instead of two Dallas'. It appears that Julius Randle doesn't fit the TPE, so it may have to be Frank Ntilikina who is nice on defense and can play backup PG. However, new head coach Tom Thibodeau may want to keep Ntilikina, but he's getting big PG LaMelo. Elfrid Payton would become trade bait if he doesn't want to play backup. I can see Ntilikina or Payton as nice fits on the Warriors at backup PG. There probably is a nice deal to be made with the Knicks if they're willing to all in in order to pair LaMelo with Mitchell Robinson. No question LaMelo's play will sell tickets at MSG and the Knicks would have a Big 3.

The draft seems to be shaking out. Assuming the TWolves take Anthony Edwards for themselves, the Warriors should take LaMelo Ball in order to have the best trade bait in trade. If the TWolves take Ball, then grab who the Warriors want in Anthony Edwards. He fills the backup PG position nicely.

[Mylie10]

Anthony Edwards is NOT A PG

[jason bourne]

Anthony Edwards is NOT A PG

He said he thinks of himself as a point guard as he likes to handle the rock. Does that sound intriguing?

"At 6-foot-5, Edwards is the size of a shooting guard, but handling the ball is something that he thoroughly enjoys. Edwards said that he considers himself a point guard, and that since arriving on campus, he's worked heavily on his skills at other positions."

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Basketball-Anthony-Edwards-point-guard-137053909/

[ChuckDurn]

Anthony Edwards is NOT A PG

He said he thinks of himself as a point guard as he likes to handle the rock. Does that sound intriguing?

"At 6-foot-5, Edwards is the size of a shooting guard, but handling the ball is something that he thoroughly enjoys. Edwards said that he considers himself a point guard, and that since arriving on campus, he's worked heavily on his skills at other positions."

https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Article/Georgia-Basketball-Anthony-Edwards-point-guard-137053909/

I consider myself a genius, and think I look like Brad Pitt.

(But that doesn’t make it so.)

Edwards doesn’t play like a PG, and the stats back that up (only 2.8 assists/game). It doesn’t matter what he considers himself......

[HiRez]

If this all the Knicks will offer -- Julius Randle or Frank Ntilikina + #8 -- then is it worth trading down with them?

What about #8, Kevin Knox II, and two Dallas first-rounders?

I'm not crazy about those two options, but I continue to have interest in some kind of Knicks trade down scenario. Let's assume Mitchell Robinson isn't available, what about this:

Knicks get
GS 2020 #2 --> Ball
GS 2020 #48
GS 2020 #51
GS 2021 FRP

Warriors get
NYK 2020 #8 --> Okoro, Haliburton, Okongwu, Williams, Avdija
NYK 2020 #27 --> Pokusevski, Bane, S. Bey, Bolmaro
NYK 2020 #38 --> Azubuike, Woodard, Reed
NYK 2021 FRP (top 5 protected, declining protections after)

Even if Knicks give up their own 2021 pick, they would still have 3 2021 FRPs in this scenario. Warriors trade picks (presumably up) in next year's strong draft and get a good assortment of players (with upgraded picks) to begin developing this year.

[Little Digger]

The 8th pick is too far of a drop ..Okoro won’t be there so I’m not interested unless you’re talking a Knicks 2021 top5 or better protected pick..that obviously goes unprotected if it transfers to 2022

Only teams I would switch picks with are Charlotte or Chicago..maybe Cleveland depending on the intel

[Warriors Analyst]

If this all the Knicks will offer -- Julius Randle or Frank Ntilikina + #8 -- then is it worth trading down with them?

What about #8, Kevin Knox II, and two Dallas first-rounders?

I'm not crazy about those two options, but I continue to have interest in some kind of Knicks trade down scenario. Let's assume Mitchell Robinson isn't available, what about this:

Knicks get
GS 2020 #2 --> Ball
GS 2020 #48
GS 2020 #51
GS 2021 FRP

Warriors get
NYK 2020 #8 --> Okoro, Haliburton, Okongwu, Williams, Avdija
NYK 2020 #27 --> Pokusevski, Bane, S. Bey, Bolmaro
NYK 2020 #38 --> Azubuike, Woodard, Reed
NYK 2021 FRP (top 5 protected, declining protections after)

Even if Knicks give up their own 2021 pick, they would still have 3 2021 FRPs in this scenario. Warriors trade picks (presumably up) in next year's strong draft and get a good assortment of players (with upgraded picks) to begin developing this year.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bane and Bey both go in the lottery. Poku probably doesn’t last past 20 either.

[ILOVEIT]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

[ShayDee]

That line up costs half a billion at least. Unless Wiggins goes inthe deal it will never happen. Also LMA is done. Even if there are some 35 and above players getting minutes in the NBA. They really haven't had significant injury history or missed a fair amount of time recently like LMA. I'm talking about Lebron, Milsap and CP3. Both were all stars this year too. So bro how can you offer #2 for LMA? Totally not worth it

[xdrta+]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

How are you going to get Aldridge and keep Wiggins? He makes $24 million next year.

[ILOVEIT]

Yeah...you are probably right. 26Mil is too much. The thing I love about adding him would be to eliminate any doubt on the Warriors roster. 6'11"....no question about what he can give the team. Having him feast while Curry and Klay spread the floor....It'd be nice.

Ouch...just checked and Milsap makes 30 Million lol. Any question you would take LMA over Milsap at 30?

[ILOVEIT]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

How are you going to get Aldridge and keep Wiggins? He makes $24 million next year.

Still drinking coffee...let me re-think this lol

[DAWill1128]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

I actually like the bridge trade option for LMA. He’s a big body who can score around the hoop, hit 3’s, and rebound. It would totally change the spacing having LMA since he can hit the 3, and his deep 2’s have always been money. If LMA has the passing and shooting that we have he will feast with easy buckets all over the court that he can hit. I also like the idea of just the constant pressure a lineup with him added would put on teams, hands down we would have the most talented team in the NBA. I think Aldridge in the pick n pop, and his roll touch around the hoop would make us nearly unbeatable.

Although I envision the trade happening differently than what writers are proposing. I see it like this, we take Wiseman and we grab a player with the TPE as a placeholder contract. Then we monitor Looneys health, and Pooles progress going into the deadline. If we don’t like what we have then we make a trade for LMA to get over the hump by including a 2021 pick instead of the #2 pick.

Example:

Warriors Trade:
James Johnson
Looney
Poole
2021 1st rounder
2021 2nd rounder

Spurs Trade:
Aldridge

C Aldridge, Wiseman, Chriss
PF Green, Paschall, Smiley
SF Wiggins, Harkless, GR3
SG Thompson, Lee, Mulder
PG Curry, Augustin, Bowman

It’s not a great bench but we can stagger the starters, we can develop Wiseman to be the future, get Paschall plenty of touches off the bench, and still have the Minny 2021 pick. The bench could also change with buy outs and guys getting released.

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[Chupchup]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

LMA makes 24 mil. Also expiring contract. The money doesn't work unless we trade Draymond or Wiggins etc. Vet min for David West sounds great. 24 mil for David West... not so much.

[ChuckDurn]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

I know there have been responses, addressing the problem with the finances of this deal, but I wanted to get to the essence of this idea.

No.

The basic premise of a deal to bring in a 35-year-old big man who doesn’t like to guard the center position, for the #2 pick, is flawed.

Aldridge can’t play an up-tempo style, and he’s going to decline every year going forward. He is certainly not enough to put us “over the top”, especially when Wiggins would have to be traded to match salary, so we’d have a cavern at the most important position in the league (wing).

But again - you don’t trade the #2 pick in any draft, and have the best thing you get back be a declining 35-year-old player who doesn’t fit your style of play.

[Mylie10]

We are trying to get younger and more athletic, Aldridge does neither. He has size and on a cheap vet contract I’d bring him in, but not by giving up assets or weakening a position of need. (Wing)