Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[Mylie10]

Out of the trade down ideas I’ve seen I’d probably go with Markkanen and the 4. I’d have Markkanen play the five for us. Then sign a cheap really big guy for guarding the leagues bigger bigs. But Draymond and Markkanen gives us inside and out. Be like having Nowitzki lite.

Then at 4 I have my pick at the wings that fit. Okoro, Vassell, Williams, or Haliburton all would appeal to me.

Or we could use 4 for a possible trade down as well. Could grab a rotation player and a trade down draft pick on top of Markkanen.

If Wiseman is on the board I take him no questions. If he’s off the board, I’m all in for trade downs.

[ChuckDurn]

Out of the trade down ideas I’ve seen I’d probably go with Markkanen and the 4. I’d have Markkanen play the five for us. Then sign a cheap really big guy for guarding the leagues bigger bigs. But Draymond and Markkanen gives us inside and out. Be like having Nowitzki lite.

Then at 4 I have my pick at the wings that fit. Okoro, Vassell, Williams, or Haliburton all would appeal to me.

Or we could use 4 for a possible trade down as well. Could grab a rotation player and a trade down draft pick on top of Markkanen.

If Wiseman is on the board I take him no questions. If he’s off the board, I’m all in for trade downs.

Yeah, I'm pretty much with you on this. I think the reality is that we'd be starting Markkanen at the 4 and Draymond at the 5, in terms of how they'd play on offense and who they'd guard, but that's just semantics.

I wouldn't hesitate to also try to trade down from the 4 to either 6 (getting Huerter) or 7 (Kennard), because - to your point - I think at any of those spots we're going to still have some good options. I don't know how interested either Atlanta or Detroit would be in trading up to 4 (as opposed to #2, where I think they do have interest), but I might try to entice them by adding in our 2021 #1 pick (not Minnesota's) . I also have started to warm up on Okongwu, who we could pick at #4 to address the "center" problem you mentioned, or even maybe at 6 or 7 were a trade-down done.

But I would want to ensure we had a specific plan for how we'd address the #4 pick (i.e. who to draft, or a pre-agreed trade) before we made the deal.

[ChuckDurn]

2 comments / trades re: the TPE that could play a factor going forward:
1. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Warriors make a trade with Brooklyn to acquire Taurean Prince (2 years remaining on contract, $12.25M next year) and the #19 pick, in order to secure another decent draft pick that could be used in a trade. Prince had a poor year last year, but is still pretty young and could help us as a combo forward with a clear 3-and-D role (career 3-point % is 36.6%, but he was over 38.5% for each of '17-'18 and '18-'19 before slipping last year). The rumor is that Brooklyn is offering that #19 pick as enticement for somebody to take Prince, to help them cut salary, and if we're looking at a big trade that we need one more asset to complete, I could see us pulling the trigger with Brooklyn to get that #19 pick to include in another deal.
2. We keep seeing the idea of trading with Minnesota to get James Johnson into the TPE, as a bridge to a higher salary. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Warriors do that; though he'd be super-expensive (because of the luxury tax multiplier), nobody has mentioned how awesome Johnson would be as a fit for us even if we did struggle to move him. He's big, rugged, able to guard bigger players, moves the ball, and can hit the 3 at a decent rate (career-high 37% last year). I don't think they'd bring him in with the intent of keeping him, but for whatever time he'd be with the Warriors, Johnson would help them, and he'd be far from "a guy that's only biding time on the roster until he could be traded." He'd be a solid contributor.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Out of the trade down ideas I’ve seen I’d probably go with Markkanen and the 4. I’d have Markkanen play the five for us. Then sign a cheap really big guy for guarding the leagues bigger bigs. But Draymond and Markkanen gives us inside and out. Be like having Nowitzki lite.

Then at 4 I have my pick at the wings that fit. Okoro, Vassell, Williams, or Haliburton all would appeal to me.

Or we could use 4 for a possible trade down as well. Could grab a rotation player and a trade down draft pick on top of Markkanen.

If Wiseman is on the board I take him no questions. If he’s off the board, I’m all in for trade downs.

It doesn't concern you that Markkanen is playing for a contract?

In an ideal world we would make this trade, he would have a breakout season and we'd go deep into the tax to sign him to a rookie max deal.

But if Myers knows that we can't afford him the following season in the best case scenario, does that scare us off?

I feel the same way about Oubre. Ideally he would blossom as a major rotation forward for us but he's in his prime now and still looking for that life-changing contract.

I hate the idea that we could trade for either, see them thrive with us then leave after a season for money Lacob won't come close to matching.

[Mylie10]

If Markkanen hits his potential then you’d have to think long and hard about resigning him. Which could still be a contract that could be used to grab another star down the road if need be.

I really believe that Markkanen, in our system with this team could actually provide that Nowitzki type of offense. Obviously he’s not Nowitzki though.

[wco81]

Markkanen is 43/35.6. So it's not like he's lighting it up.

Rebounds better than I would have thought but doesn't seem much of a rim protector.

[Onus]

What is Markkanen really worth? Isn't he similar to Kelly O?

[wco81]

7 footer who can shoot.

But I don't think he defends, certainly isn't a shot blocker.

Not sure he's a rim runner.

[ChuckDurn]

Markkanen is 43/35.6. So it's not like he's lighting it up.

Rebounds better than I would have thought but doesn't seem much of a rim protector.

As with so many of the guys that have played with terrible teams and weak coaching (including Wiggins), the question is “how much better would Markkanen be playing with Steph, Klay, and a better offensive scheme that uses his skills better? I could see him fairly easily getting up to something like 46/38, and that’s pretty good for a stretch big who probably would shoot 60% of his shots from 3.

But he’ll definitely always struggle on defense, due to lack of athleticism and lateral movement. You just try to make his offensive contributions exceed his defensive limitations.

[HiRez]

The poor defense is what concerns me with a lot of these trade scenarios, we can't afford to get significantly worse defensively. That applies to Markkanen, Beal, Bridges, Prince, and Oubre, among others. Especially when we just took on one of the league's worst defenders in Wiggins. Yeah, I know a lot of people are hoping he'll improve defensively but I think it's a dangerous assumption. I think sometimes we take the "they'll be so much better on the Warriors" dream a little too far.

The only one of those guys I could really stomach is Beal, because he's elite on the offensive end to offset the poor defense to a large extent, the other guys are not at that level. But Beal would also be the most expensive acquisition.

Now perhaps some of these moves could be mitigated by drafting a strong defensive presence such as Okoro or Okongwu or Vassell (or to a bit lesser extent, Williams or Haliburton), but it's a little dicey on how much they'll be able to play and contribute right away.

[ILOVEIT]

Anyone high on LaMarcus Aldrige for an addition to this team. He actually shot 37% last year from 3....I think he's a solid David West vet type.

I would trade #2 for him (assuming a trade could be made).

Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, LMA....

That's a super solid vet lineup...and LMA could come off the bench in a couple of years.

I actually like the bridge trade option for LMA. He’s a big body who can score around the hoop, hit 3’s, and rebound. It would totally change the spacing having LMA since he can hit the 3, and his deep 2’s have always been money. If LMA has the passing and shooting that we have he will feast with easy buckets all over the court that he can hit. I also like the idea of just the constant pressure a lineup with him added would put on teams, hands down we would have the most talented team in the NBA. I think Aldridge in the pick n pop, and his roll touch around the hoop would make us nearly unbeatable.

Although I envision the trade happening differently than what writers are proposing. I see it like this, we take Wiseman and we grab a player with the TPE as a placeholder contract. Then we monitor Looneys health, and Pooles progress going into the deadline. If we don’t like what we have then we make a trade for LMA to get over the hump by including a 2021 pick instead of the #2 pick.

Example:

Warriors Trade:
James Johnson
Looney
Poole
2021 1st rounder
2021 2nd rounder

Spurs Trade:
Aldridge

C Aldridge, Wiseman, Chriss
PF Green, Paschall, Smiley
SF Wiggins, Harkless, GR3
SG Thompson, Lee, Mulder
PG Curry, Augustin, Bowman

It’s not a great bench but we can stagger the starters, we can develop Wiseman to be the future, get Paschall plenty of touches off the bench, and still have the Minny 2021 pick. The bench could also change with buy outs and guys getting released.

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Thanks for articulating how the bridge approach might work.

BTW....I don't think the immediate goal is to get younger. We have next year's pick for some of that.

Now it's forming a team that will dominate. To dominate the Warriors need a star at every position possible...LMA is an all-star level player.

[Mylie10]

Was an All Star level talent. Operative word: WAS

[B-King]

I am somewhat intrigued by trading down with the Pistons.

#2 Overall 2020
#48 & #51 2020
1st Round GSW 2021 Top Ten Protected

for
Rose
Kennard
#7 to draft Okangwu

*Also Dubs would buy another pick to take a flyer on someone.

[ShayDee]

There is no way we are ever giving an additional asset(extra 1st round pick) to trade down. No matter who we are getting back. If the play we are getting is an allstar player then we won't trade down in the first place, it will be a trade out. And I don't think warriors want Rose anyways and Kennard alone is not worth moving down 5 spots

[ShayDee]

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=30263729

Zach Lowe: Someone within the League today texted me and said ‘hey, there is a little bit of buzz about No. 2 to San Antonio for LaMarcus Aldridge and No. 11, and obviously there has to be salary going out.’ And my response was ‘That’s crazy! The Warriors should not do that.’

Lol Alright. I'm glad Lowe thinks it's crazy and I would be pissed if we did this

[Mylie10]

Stupid idea on Aldridge

[GQ Hot Dog]

The poor defense is what concerns me with a lot of these trade scenarios, we can't afford to get significantly worse defensively. That applies to Markkanen, Beal, Bridges, Prince, and Oubre, among others. Especially when we just took on one of the league's worst defenders in Wiggins. Yeah, I know a lot of people are hoping he'll improve defensively but I think it's a dangerous assumption. I think sometimes we take the "they'll be so much better on the Warriors" dream a little too far.

The only one of those guys I could really stomach is Beal, because he's elite on the offensive end to offset the poor defense to a large extent, the other guys are not at that level. But Beal would also be the most expensive acquisition.

Now perhaps some of these moves could be mitigated by drafting a strong defensive presence such as Okoro or Okongwu or Vassell (or to a bit lesser extent, Williams or Haliburton), but it's a little dicey on how much they'll be able to play and contribute right away.

Until proven otherwise I will continue to believe that everyone Kerr, Curry, Dray and this organization touches turns to gold.

[jason bourne]

I am somewhat intrigued by trading down with the Pistons.

#2 Overall 2020
#48 & #51 2020
1st Round GSW 2021 Top Ten Protected

for
Rose
Kennard
#7 to draft Okangwu

*Also Dubs would buy another pick to take a flyer on someone.

Way too much to give up for Luke Kennard. With the Pistons, one wants to get Blake Griffin. He'll be 32 next season and was an All-Star in 2018-19. This would work, but will Pistons go for it?

[ChuckDurn]

I am somewhat intrigued by trading down with the Pistons.

#2 Overall 2020
#48 & #51 2020
1st Round GSW 2021 Top Ten Protected

for
Rose
Kennard
#7 to draft Okangwu

*Also Dubs would buy another pick to take a flyer on someone.

Way too much to give up for Luke Kennard. With the Pistons, one wants to get Blake Griffin. He'll be 32 next season and was an All-Star in 2018-19. This would work, but will Pistons go for it?

35
61
58
75
18

That's the number of games Griffin has played in the last 5 years. Only once has he played more than 75% of the games. Twice he didn't even play half.

One does NOT want Blake Griffin at his salary.

[TB]

I think there is a decent chance the Pelicans will go full Ball family and attempt to build a future team of Ball, Ball, Ingram, Zion, Hayes.

Warriors might be the team that can benefit from that. I wouldn't be shocked if we could get Jrue without giving up the Minny 2021 pick, and fleecing them a bit to guarantee they get their guy. Something like:

#2, GSW 2021 1st, Wiggins for Jrue, Hart, 2020 #13.

Pick up a bench piece in Hart, still get a great player at 13 (my picks would be Poku, Maxey, or Bane), and still have the TPE and MLE to work with.

Lets just hope they really want Ball.