2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

Warriors Analyst · Post #2321 » by **Warriors Analyst** » Sat Feb 6, 2021 11:18 pm

cdubbz wrote:Lamelo Ball 34 points on 14-27 shooting. 4-9 from 3. ZERO turnovers and 8 dimes.....Hornets got blown out but nice rookie performance.

Lamelo coming off the Warrior bench would have been great paired with wing defenders.

My concerns about LaMelo were almost all based on his shot and his defense, albeit to a lesser extent. He’s very clearly a basketball genius. Guys with a high level of understanding of the game usually figure out how to play D. I think I was too worried about his defense. But good lord watching some LaMelo gives me some massive FOMO. He makes passes that very few NBA players are capable of making. He’d be brilliant next to Steph. He could have been Andre off of the bench until Wiggins’ contract expired and then slotted in next to Steph and Klay starting long term.

In the meantime I keep asking myself, does Wiseman do any one thing well at this point other than dunk? I struggle to think of any one skill/positive trait Wiseman has that isn’t tied entirely to his physical ability.

Ilovethebay · Post #2322 » by **Ilovethebay** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:02 am

I wanted Melo as well. The shooting was definitely a concern. Watching our team right now I find myself yelling at the screen “hit him” (pass it to Steph) like 4 or 5 times a game. With Melo that wouldn’t happen as much. Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre average about 4 assists a game TOGETHER. Damn shame when playing with a guy like Steph.

cdubbz · Post #2323 » by **cdubbz** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:15 am

Ilovethebay wrote:I wanted Melo as well. The shooting was definitely a concern. Watching our team right now I find myself yelling at the screen “hit him” (pass it to Steph) like 4 or 5 times a game. With Melo that wouldn’t happen as much. Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre average about 4 assists a game TOGETHER. Damn shame when playing with a guy like Steph.

The shooting was a concern for a lot of Warrior fans, but I never understood why it mattered when he’s an elite elite passer.

Draymond can’t shoot either but is an elite playmaker.

Jason Kidd was a horrible shooter early on.

EvanZ · Post #2324 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:26 am

The sad thing is we all knew Joe Lacob wanted a big man like Wiseman for a decade. He finally had the chance and took it. It was his decision clearly.

Ilovethebay · Post #2325 » by **Ilovethebay** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 12:40 am

cdubbz wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:I wanted Melo as well. The shooting was definitely a concern. Watching our team right now I find myself yelling at the screen “hit him” (pass it to Steph) like 4 or 5 times a game. With Melo that wouldn’t happen as much. Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre average about 4 assists a game TOGETHER. Damn shame when playing with a guy like Steph.

The shooting was a concern for a lot of Warrior fans, but I never understood why it mattered when he’s an elite elite passer.

Draymond can’t shoot either but is an elite playmaker.

Exactly. Rather take a chance on an elite skill guy rather than someone who “looks” the part. 80% of the regular posters on this site have to take the L on this one, at least up to this point. Still have high hopes for Wiseman because I love his mental makeup.

GQ Hot Dog · Post #2326 » by **GQ Hot Dog** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 1:14 am

Ilovethebay wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:I wanted Melo as well. The shooting was definitely a concern. Watching our team right now I find myself yelling at the screen “hit him” (pass it to Steph) like 4 or 5 times a game. With Melo that wouldn’t happen as much. Wiggins, Wiseman, and Oubre average about 4 assists a game TOGETHER. Damn shame when playing with a guy like Steph.

The shooting was a concern for a lot of Warrior fans, but I never understood why it mattered when he’s an elite elite passer.

Draymond can’t shoot either but is an elite playmaker.

Exactly. Rather take a chance on an elite skill guy rather than someone who “looks” the part. 80% of the regular posters on this site have to take the L on this one, at least up to this point. Still have high hopes for Wiseman because I love his mental makeup.

That's stupid, nobody's taking an "L" on Wiseman until he proves he's not a franchise center. You're going to be waiting a while for your "L"s.

cdubbz · Post #2327 » by **cdubbz** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 3:24 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
The shooting was a concern for a lot of Warrior fans, but I never understood why it mattered when he’s an elite elite passer.

Draymond can’t shoot either but is an elite playmaker.

Exactly. Rather take a chance on an elite skill guy rather than someone who “looks” the part. 80% of the regular posters on this site have to take the L on this one, at least up to this point. Still have high hopes for Wiseman because I love his mental makeup.

That's stupid, nobody's taking an "L" on Wiseman until he proves he's not a franchise center. You're going to be waiting a while for your "L"s.

100% fare. Wiseman can become almost anything at this point. I’m excited to see his growth and what he becomes great at. This is obviously based of NOW.

Ilovethebay · Post #2328 » by **Ilovethebay** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:44 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:
cdubbz wrote:
The shooting was a concern for a lot of Warrior fans, but I never understood why it mattered when he’s an elite elite passer.

Draymond can’t shoot either but is an elite playmaker.

Exactly. Rather take a chance on an elite skill guy rather than someone who “looks” the part. 80% of the regular posters on this site have to take the L on this one, at least up to this point. Still have high hopes for Wiseman because I love his mental makeup.

That's stupid, nobody's taking an "L" on Wiseman until he proves he's not a franchise center. You're going to be waiting a while for your "L"s.

Touched a nerve? See the bold part. Up to this point. No need to get personal. Watch it.

Mylie10 · Post #2329 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Feb 7, 2021 4:26 pm

Take an L based on what? Exactly?

cdubbz · Post #2330 » by **cdubbz** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 4:15 am

Payton Pritchard and Haliburton had nice games today. Productive and confident players

KevinMcreynolds · Post #2331 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 7:39 pm

20 games into careers and there's already W's and L's being thrown around? :lol:

The internet is dumb

shazam_guy · Post #2332 » by **shazam_guy** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 9:53 pm

"Great passer, can't shoot much" would be much more intriguing if we didn't already have Draymond, who also has "All-NBA defender" in his arsenal. So why do we need another, smaller, less skilled and less defensively gifted Dray? To concentrate even more defenders on Steph? It doesn't matter if you can hit him with an amazing pass if he's got three guys on him.

cdubbz · Post #2333 » by **cdubbz** » Mon Feb 8, 2021 10:36 pm

shazam_guy wrote:"Great passer, can't shoot much" would be much more intriguing if we didn't already have Draymond, who also has "All-NBA defender" in his arsenal. So why do we need another, smaller, less skilled and less defensively gifted Dray? To concentrate even more defenders on Steph? It doesn't matter if you can hit him with an amazing pass if he's got three guys on him.

Buuut Steph can hit shots with 3 guys on him! And Ball can shoot and is not afraid.

Ilovethebay · Post #2334 » by **Ilovethebay** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 12:14 am

shazam_guy wrote:"Great passer, can't shoot much" would be much more intriguing if we didn't already have Draymond, who also has "All-NBA defender" in his arsenal. So why do we need another, smaller, less skilled and less defensively gifted Dray? To concentrate even more defenders on Steph? It doesn't matter if you can hit him with an amazing pass if he's got three guys on him.

Another Draymond level passer on this team would be epic. I hate all the extracurricular stuff he brings but he knows what he’s doing out there. With another Dray level passer on this team Steph would average 35 PPG. Just having Andre back would open things up a bunch. The problem with passing to Steph is not that “3 guys are on him”. It’s that he’s only open in brief moments. We don't have the players who can process THAT information fast enough.

cdubbz · Post #2335 » by **cdubbz** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 3:52 am

Lamelo 7-12 from 3 tonight in a Hornet win. Call me obsessed but this kids game is box office.

10 assists and 7 rebounds. He did take 18 shot attempts which is a lot, but he really gets everyone involved. Defenses can’t ignore him. He’s proven he can hit threes and will fire away.

KevinMcreynolds · Post #2336 » by **KevinMcreynolds** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 5:42 pm

I'm not going to get up in arms about not taking him. When you watch those NBL games, his shot looked completely busted like his brothers, his defense was non-existent, and he was playing pick n roll against some of the slowest bigs I've ever seen and still wasn't getting to the hoop and finishing well. "But his elite passing!" I can't remember the last time someone was drafted in the top 5 for their passing. It literally might be Jason Kidd 27 effing years ago.

EvanZ · Post #2337 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:04 pm

When Chad Ford outsmarts your FO it's bad.

Read on Twitter

EvanZ · Post #2338 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:05 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:I'm not going to get up in arms about not taking him. When you watch those NBL games, his shot looked completely busted like his brothers, his defense was non-existent, and he was playing pick n roll against some of the slowest bigs I've ever seen and still wasn't getting to the hoop and finishing well. "But his elite passing!" I can't remember the last time someone was drafted in the top 5 for their passing. It literally might be Jason Kidd 27 effing years ago.

You don't remember Rubio or Simmons eh? The shot wasn't busted and Lonzo's shot has improved a lot. Both those things were fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Bottom line LaMelo is a basketball genius with great size for the position.

tal57 · Post #2339 » by **tal57** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 6:45 pm

EvanZ wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:I'm not going to get up in arms about not taking him. When you watch those NBL games, his shot looked completely busted like his brothers, his defense was non-existent, and he was playing pick n roll against some of the slowest bigs I've ever seen and still wasn't getting to the hoop and finishing well. "But his elite passing!" I can't remember the last time someone was drafted in the top 5 for their passing. It literally might be Jason Kidd 27 effing years ago.

You don't remember Rubio or Simmons eh? The shot wasn't busted and Lonzo's shot has improved a lot. Both those things were fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Bottom line LaMelo is a basketball genius with great size for the position.

What do you do with Curry if you draft LaMelo? You can say they can play together. OK, what do you do next year with Klay back? Put him on the bench? And what do you do at C? They got great, unexpected opportunity to draft very promising C. I don't doubt that whatsoever, no matter what Ball does. I expect Curry to be 7-12 from 3 on the game to game basis. Wake me up when we have nearly the same expectations from Ball.

EvanZ · Post #2340 » by **EvanZ** » Tue Feb 9, 2021 7:19 pm

tal57 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
KevinMcreynolds wrote:I'm not going to get up in arms about not taking him. When you watch those NBL games, his shot looked completely busted like his brothers, his defense was non-existent, and he was playing pick n roll against some of the slowest bigs I've ever seen and still wasn't getting to the hoop and finishing well. "But his elite passing!" I can't remember the last time someone was drafted in the top 5 for their passing. It literally might be Jason Kidd 27 effing years ago.

You don't remember Rubio or Simmons eh? The shot wasn't busted and Lonzo's shot has improved a lot. Both those things were fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. Bottom line LaMelo is a basketball genius with great size for the position.

What do you do with Curry if you draft LaMelo? You can say they can play together. OK, what do you do next year with Klay back? Put him on the bench? And what do you do at C? They got great, unexpected opportunity to draft very promising C. I don't doubt that whatsoever, no matter what Ball does. I expect Curry to be 7-12 from 3 on the game to game basis. Wake me up when we have nearly the same expectations from Ball.

These questions are so dumb. The dude could be an All-Star *this* season at age 19. He's ridiculously talented. You don't worry about fit with a talent like that, and it wouldn't even be an issue. The best lineups would have Steph/Melo/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond anyway. Use your imagination for like a few seconds to figure it out.