Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

The Maestro · Post #241 » by **The Maestro** » Tue Apr 9, 2013 11:07 pm

Quazza wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:I want Aaron Craft from Ohio State. I think the kid is a winner and his defense from the guard/wing spot is special.

He's not even on a few of the mocks, so I think he's a guy we could purchase. He's about 6'4" and can run the team. He's an effing bulldog and his offense is under-rated.

+1

Craft is a junior. Is he entering the draft?

statsman · Post #242 » by **statsman** » Tue Apr 9, 2013 11:24 pm

The Maestro wrote:
Quazza wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:I want Aaron Craft from Ohio State. I think the kid is a winner and his defense from the guard/wing spot is special.

He's not even on a few of the mocks, so I think he's a guy we could purchase. He's about 6'4" and can run the team. He's an effing bulldog and his offense is under-rated.

+1

Craft is a junior. Is he entering the draft?

By all accounts, he appears to be returning to Ohio State for his senior year. But we've seen these decisions reversed many times.

Left*My*Heart · Post #243 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:20 pm

I would assume Craft returns for his senior year. He isn't considered a first round pick and I think he is type of kid who wants to graduate.

Quazza · Post #244 » by **Quazza** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:00 pm

Left*My*Heart wrote:I would assume Craft returns for his senior year. He isn't considered a first round pick and I think he is type of kid who wants to graduate.

cos he's white and looks like he plays warcraft a lot?

Left*My*Heart · Post #245 » by **Left*My*Heart** » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:25 pm

Quazza wrote:
Left*My*Heart wrote:I would assume Craft returns for his senior year. He isn't considered a first round pick and I think he is type of kid who wants to graduate.

cos he's white and looks like he plays warcraft a lot?

yep that's it!

Mylie10 · Post #246 » by **Mylie10** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:37 am

Next years draft is fully loaded....which means there will be some reaches this season.....guys who will come out that should stay in school.

Craft won't benefit from staying in school another season unless he stays for academics or to try and win a title (which I don't believe they have a shot at).

old rem · Post #247 » by **old rem** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:29 pm

The Maestro wrote:
Quazza wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:I want Aaron Craft from Ohio State. I think the kid is a winner and his defense from the guard/wing spot is special.

He's not even on a few of the mocks, so I think he's a guy we could purchase. He's about 6'4" and can run the team. He's an effing bulldog and his offense is under-rated.

+1

Craft is a junior. Is he entering the draft?

That's likely the key, back here (Ohio) there has not been a sense he's apt to declare. Guys who are a lotto or a sure top 20 are more apt to declare. Guys who grew up poor...are apt to declare. If in the draft...Craft would be picked but maybe late rd 1...maybe early rd 2. He's got the skills of a "pure PG,but he's not a big shoot/score guy.

old rem · Post #248 » by **old rem** » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:33 pm

The Maestro wrote:
BW32 wrote:Can we even get a sign and traded player since we are a tax payer? Never bothered to read the rule but I remember reading something along those lines.

When did we become a tax payer?

We were...then giving away Jenkins and Tyler,got us under the line.

Post #249 » by **FNQ** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:48 pm

Someone threw out an unlikely hypothetical on another board, of MIN getting the #1 pick and trading it to us for Klay/Bogut, and us drafting Noel.

If we get embarrassed in the playoffs, do we continue trying to win immediately, or do we identify our star (Curry) and rebuild around him?

I'd do it in that case. Draft Noel, knowing he'll be out until at least January. Dangle David Lee for prospects and flexibility - I'd suggest Charlotte, for Gordon/top5 protected 2015 1st. Encourage Landry to opt in. Have to let Jack walk.

Go into 2013/14 with (for the majority of the season)

Curry / Gordon
Gordon / Bazemore / Rush
Barnes / Rush / RJ
Landry / Dancing Bear
Ezeli / Biedrins

Now you have a 13m expiring in Gordon, a 9m expiring in Biedrins, and a 11m expiring in RJ. You still have Curry, Barnes and Noel as long term prospects. You offer an opportunity for Bazemore to shine and be under Arenas Provision rules. You allow Landry to stat-whore for trade value. You see if Rush is healed.

But most importantly, you have very little salary committed to players in the future, all our draft picks, an added pick from Charlotte, and we've still kept our best player and added a potential defensive gamechanger at C. A young, athletic one. To pair with Ezeli.

Love every bit of that. Overall the whole scenario makes me think that I'm ok w/it if we make some moves focusing on youth and getting away from Lee/Bogut/Jack/Landry

Jester_ · Post #250 » by **Jester_** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:07 pm

I like that, however I want to hang on to Bogut if we can't get another similar expiring. Having nearly $30 million expiring in the same year will give us a very good shot at a high calibre FA (particularly if we can string together a decent playoff appearance). If we can pull off that second deal as well, I would absolutely do it.

I don't see why Charlotte would give up an expiring and a pick for David Lee though. MJ is an idiot though, so I suppose.

Onus · Post #251 » by **Onus** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:30 pm

i would have no problems with tanking next year and gettting a good pick in that 2014 draft.

Mylie10 · Post #252 » by **Mylie10** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:37 pm

Tanking is stupid unless there's a reason like an injury to do it. This franchise is trying to bring in free agents as a winning destination. We're in the playoffs...the best thing to do is to make the Playoffs again next year and knock somebody off in the first round.

Use the positive to continue to build on it. Make this a desireable destination. Tanking in order to get a good draft pick is backwards thinking and it wont help to bring in future talent. Winning will.

There are other ways to try and get into that draft. Maybe by trading your lovechild.

statsman · Post #253 » by **statsman** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:43 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:Someone threw out an unlikely hypothetical on another board, of MIN getting the #1 pick ...

"Unlikely" pretty much describes it. The TWolves currently own the 9th worst record. Pretty remote chance of getting the #1 pick (1.7%). Maybe even as remote would be their interest in this trade.

Strange, for as many times as you have gotten on the case of others with their hallucinated Warriors trades (and rightfully so, I might add), that you would regurgitate this hypothetical trade.

Onus · Post #254 » by **Onus** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:57 pm

Mylie10 wrote:Tanking is stupid unless there's a reason like an injury to do it. This franchise is trying to bring in free agents as a winning destination. We're in the playoffs...the best thing to do is to make the Playoffs again next year and knock somebody off in the first round.

Use the positive to continue to build on it. Make this a desireable destination. Tanking in order to get a good draft pick is backwards thinking and it wont help to bring in future talent. Winning will.

There are other ways to try and get into that draft. Maybe by trading your lovechild.

One thing i guess we agree on is that Barnes won't get us anywhere close to a lottery pick in 2014 and that Klay is more valuable than Barnes.

I know we won't tank, i was half joking. Though we could use more talent on the team.

Post #255 » by **FNQ** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:06 am

statsman wrote:"Unlikely" pretty much describes it. The TWolves currently own the 9th worst record. Pretty remote chance of getting the #1 pick (1.7%). Maybe even as remote would be their interest in this trade.

Strange, for as many times as you have gotten on the case of others with their hallucinated Warriors trades (and rightfully so, I might add), that you would regurgitate this hypothetical trade.

Doesn't have to be Minnesota, as that was the unlikely part. The draft isn't that strong and the likely #1 pick is sitting out until January. The point was the willingness to rebuild. I could see why someone who approached this with a simple and literal process would land there, but the point was how attractive a rebuild could be if done correctly.

Post #256 » by **FNQ** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:11 am

Jester_ wrote:I don't see why Charlotte would give up an expiring and a pick for David Lee though. MJ is an idiot though, so I suppose.

They are getting 0 from their current PF position... and they aren't likely to get offense from C either due to Biyombo. Lee's likely a good fit there, and at some point, they need to start winning. MKG and Kemba, along with Lee and Biyombo, really isn't that bad for the East. Add in their 2013 1st... that's really not bad.

I suppose we could take back Tyrus Thomas instead of Gordon.. both hate it there and the feeling is more than mutual. But mainly the point is acquiring young assets to pair together, to be ready as possible for that superstar move Myers alluded to.. any 3, 4, or 5 star that we can pair with Curry would be HUGE. Moving Lee for young assets would be a part of that.

Onus · Post #257 » by **Onus** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:17 am

I would have no problem with a rebuild, but i don't think a team led by steph will be as bad as charlotte. This team needs more talent but steph and klay are hitting their mid-20s, and with bigs taking longer to develop we would be wasting a lot of prime years. idk how realistic doing a rebuild can be. Not taking drummond is going to haunt this team for a long time or hell even henson.

Post #258 » by **FNQ** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:24 am

Yup, possibly. Drummond's back is a big issue to me though, 20 y/os should not be getting stress fractures there. He may not be structurally sound enough to be at 275 lbs...

But when I say rebuild, I mean a quick one... more of a reload actually, now that I think about it. I see what Houston gave up for Harden, what the Magic got for Dwight, the Melo trade, the KG trade... I think thats our best chance at getting a big name here. Curry's doing great as a #1 here, but if he were a 2nd option to a 3, 4, or 5 that was a bonafide star, we'd likely be contenders for as long as they both were here. All the options I've been presenting lately are a grab at more assets to prepare for that big move, and not let the next one slip by us

Onus · Post #259 » by **Onus** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:43 am

i feel like we have enough assets already 30 mil in expiring, 2 promising prospects, and our pick.

Mylie10 · Post #260 » by **Mylie10** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:05 am

Onus wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:Tanking is stupid unless there's a reason like an injury to do it. This franchise is trying to bring in free agents as a winning destination. We're in the playoffs...the best thing to do is to make the Playoffs again next year and knock somebody off in the first round.

Use the positive to continue to build on it. Make this a desireable destination. Tanking in order to get a good draft pick is backwards thinking and it wont help to bring in future talent. Winning will.

There are other ways to try and get into that draft. Maybe by trading your lovechild.

One thing i guess we agree on is that Barnes won't get us anywhere close to a lottery pick in 2014 and that Klay is more valuable than Barnes.

I know we won't tank, i was half joking. Though we could use more talent on the team.

No we don't agree....I have higher hopes for Barnes than you do which is fine.....Klay is doing well right now and has a higher trade value...but that doesn't mean ones better than the other long term....Klays three or four years older than Barnes....so lets hold off there ummm k.