"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[turk3d]

So you think Speights will be playing back up pf when Bogut and Ezeli come back?

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

If correct, that's only if no one gets hurt again. And FYI, these guys (Bogut and Ezeli are still out who knows how long it will be before Lee gets injured again)? This is all about insurance (depth @ 4 & 5 with Lee and Speights both healthy) but let's trade of them with our top 2 Centers still out injured. Oh, and what happens should Dray go out injured for a spell? What then?

[oaktownwarriors87]

With Bogut out, Speights has been a HUGE difference maker for us. Are we watching the same team play? Did you watch the game against the Raps?

Is it opposites day maybe? I feel verklempt talking about this.

I think what Speights is doing is nice. I just think Lee could do the exact same thing better. And with the health of Bogut and Ezeli in question I would much rather have a capable rim protector than a mid range shooter... which is why I would trade him for a solid defensive center.

Speights isn't much of difference maker. Like Barnes he's just taking advantage of a great situation.

Speights is the kind of player who could win us a playoff game we have no business winning. (He's won some regular season games for us). He's the kind of guy who can comes in and go for 20+ pts in 24 minutes when Steph or Klay have been locked down... why? Cause he is a great midrange shooter and he's gonna get open looks on this team. He's not gonna do that on the Sixers cause he won't be open. But on this team, he's going to be open. And he can knock down those shots like no other big on the team. That's someone taking advantage of a great situation... but I'd still say that's a difference maker.

Lee may be better than Speights at this role (if Lee plays better D and his jumper is back to pre-2014 levels). But in any case, let Lee take Speights' role... by earning it. We have a great team, no need to screw it up by dealing away someone the team loves and has played great for us this year.

Speights is more likely to shoot you out of a game than into a game. I would much rather rely on Curry, Thompson, and Lee. Let Barnes, Livingston, Green and Iggy pick up the scraps.

Speights only gets meaningful minutes in the playoffs if Bogut is down. If Bogut goes down I would rather have a competent defensive center take his place (not O'Neal or Ezeli).

Defensive center>>>mid range shooter

[azwfan]

I think what Speights is doing is nice. I just think Lee could do the exact same thing better. And with the health of Bogut and Ezeli in question I would much rather have a capable rim protector than a mid range shooter... which is why I would trade him for a solid defensive center.

Speights isn't much of difference maker. Like Barnes he's just taking advantage of a great situation.

Speights is the kind of player who could win us a playoff game we have no business winning. (He's won some regular season games for us). He's the kind of guy who can comes in and go for 20+ pts in 24 minutes when Steph or Klay have been locked down... why? Cause he is a great midrange shooter and he's gonna get open looks on this team. He's not gonna do that on the Sixers cause he won't be open. But on this team, he's going to be open. And he can knock down those shots like no other big on the team. That's someone taking advantage of a great situation... but I'd still say that's a difference maker.

Lee may be better than Speights at this role (if Lee plays better D and his jumper is back to pre-2014 levels). But in any case, let Lee take Speights' role... by earning it. We have a great team, no need to screw it up by dealing away someone the team loves and has played great for us this year.

Speights is more likely to shoot you out of a game than into a game. I would much rather rely on Curry, Thompson, and Lee. Let Barnes, Green and Iggy pick up the scraps.

Defensive center>>>mid range shooter

The beauty of Speights is that he won't shoot us out of games... because if starts to, you sit his butt down. We don't need him to go for 20 pts every game. But there are games when we will need it... and thats something a defense only center won't give us.

Speights is the extra handgun you have holstered. If your rifle is out of bullets... pull out the handgun.
Dalembert is more like the duct tape you put on your fender hoping it doesn't come off after you've been in an accident.

[Onus]

You asked if its more likely. Who knows if its more likely without knowing his motivations.

JO isnt coming back to sit on the bench w us. Theres a low percentage chance he would choose us. He'd literally be the 5th center only on front of kuz

Of course it's low percentage...because the guy may decide to just stay home with the kids. Ultimately what he wants in coming back, is a ring. Who has a better chance? Us? Or Dallas? Again...arguable.

You saying he'd be fifth string center is your opinion....I don't really care because if he comes here he is the type of guy who could get a bunch of dnp's and then come in and play in a tough game. He's the type you can trust in a big game over a guy like Festus, or maybe even Speights.....depends on the situation and the matchups.

Why you're so adament, I dont understand. Because I feel that the way the Warriors have gone about their off season and this season regarding the big man spots is to hold tight. Not panic....not bring up any d league guys.....maybe, just maybe, Jermaine and Myers, Kerr, Gentry, might have talked about coming over once he's done coaching his son, or maybe just wanting to cut his own season in half in order to last for a playoff run.

You may be right....big deal if you are...and if you are pooping roses, my hope is that it rips your a$$ to shreds on the way out..... Now clean yourself up.

You're a glutton for punishment aren't you. Do you not remember the Clippers series? JO was getting torched by everyone. He was by far our worst player in that series.

[Onus]

Yea let's not get an asset for someone who's not going to play

So, why does he play now then?

Because all of our centers in front of him are injury prone. Look I'd rather trade Lee for assets, but that's a losing endeavor. But if a team offered a no. 1 pick for Speights and I fully believe that our chances ride on Bogut being healthy and have faith that Bogut will be healthy for the playoffs then only 1 of Speights or Lee is going to get playing time in the playoffs.

Maybe, some of you think we can win a title without Bogut ... I'm open to hear that argument. I could be swayed, but I'm focused on the playoffs.

[Onus]

Bogut is the key. Ezeli coming back will change little unless he outplays Lee and/or Speights. Ezeli isn't as good as either one, but will get some minutes because he's got good size and is a rim protector.

But yes, as those guys come back Lee and Speights will have less and less minutes at C.

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

If correct, that's only if no one gets hurt again. And FYI, these guys (Bogut and Ezeli are still out who knows how long it will be before Lee gets injured again)? This is all about insurance (depth @ 4 & 5 with Lee and Speights both healthy) but let's trade of them with our top 2 Centers still out injured. Oh, and what happens should Dray go out injured for a spell? What then?

I really don't understand why you guys are so focused on the regular season as if they give out championships in the regular season ...

[Kuya]

if someone offers us a top 10 pick for Speights or Lee... you do it. that's not even a question.

[Onus]

if someone offers us a top 10 pick for Speights or Lee... you do it. that's not even a question.

Probably wouldn't be a top 10 pick but most likely a top 20 pick. Possibly top 14.

[The-Power]

Yea let's not get an asset for someone who's not going to play

So, why does he play now then?

Because all of our centers in front of him are injury prone.

Exactly. That's the reason why I prefer some depth around playoff-time. The fact that he has to play significant minutes right now should testify to our need of him. If there's a trade in which we can land a decent defensive C for Speights I'm all ears. A late first round pick in one of the upcoming drafts? Nah, thanks.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Speights is the kind of player who could win us a playoff game we have no business winning. (He's won some regular season games for us). He's the kind of guy who can comes in and go for 20+ pts in 24 minutes when Steph or Klay have been locked down... why? Cause he is a great midrange shooter and he's gonna get open looks on this team. He's not gonna do that on the Sixers cause he won't be open. But on this team, he's going to be open. And he can knock down those shots like no other big on the team. That's someone taking advantage of a great situation... but I'd still say that's a difference maker.

Lee may be better than Speights at this role (if Lee plays better D and his jumper is back to pre-2014 levels). But in any case, let Lee take Speights' role... by earning it. We have a great team, no need to screw it up by dealing away someone the team loves and has played great for us this year.

Speights is more likely to shoot you out of a game than into a game. I would much rather rely on Curry, Thompson, and Lee. Let Barnes, Green and Iggy pick up the scraps.

Defensive center>>>mid range shooter

The beauty of Speights is that he won't shoot us out of games... because if starts to, you sit his butt down. We don't need him to go for 20 pts every game. But there are games when we will need it... and thats something a defense only center won't give us.

Speights is the extra handgun you have holstered. If your rifle is out of bullets... pull out the handgun.
Dalembert is more like the duct tape you put on your fender hoping it doesn't come off after you've been in an accident.

Curry
Thompson
Green
Lee
Igudoala
Barnes
Barbosa

The Warriors have plenty of guys that can fill that role. What they don't have is a dependable rim protector.

Defensive center>>>mid range shooter

[Mylie10]

if someone offers us a top 10 pick for Speights or Lee... you do it. that's not even a question.

Probably wouldn't be a top 10 pick but most likely a top 20 pick. Possibly top 14.

Lol......wanna be more specific.

[Mylie10]

Of course it's low percentage...because the guy may decide to just stay home with the kids. Ultimately what he wants in coming back, is a ring. Who has a better chance? Us? Or Dallas? Again...arguable.

You saying he'd be fifth string center is your opinion....I don't really care because if he comes here he is the type of guy who could get a bunch of dnp's and then come in and play in a tough game. He's the type you can trust in a big game over a guy like Festus, or maybe even Speights.....depends on the situation and the matchups.

Why you're so adament, I dont understand. Because I feel that the way the Warriors have gone about their off season and this season regarding the big man spots is to hold tight. Not panic....not bring up any d league guys.....maybe, just maybe, Jermaine and Myers, Kerr, Gentry, might have talked about coming over once he's done coaching his son, or maybe just wanting to cut his own season in half in order to last for a playoff run.

You may be right....big deal if you are...and if you are pooping roses, my hope is that it rips your a$$ to shreds on the way out..... Now clean yourself up.

You're a glutton for punishment aren't you. Do you not remember the Clippers series? JO was getting torched by everyone. He was by far our worst player in that series.

He also got his knee rolled up on by Big Baby. I will agree that against Jordan and Griffin they're a bit to athletic for him. But against some of the bigger slower guys he will do fine.

For instance if we play Memphis he could help....even if it's only against Koufos. But some minutes on Gasol could help. Against the Spurs he definitely could help against Duncan and Splitter. Just a couple of examples.

Why you're against depth is crazy to me. I think you just like to stir ish up.

[Kuya]

i think J.O. goes to us to be honest

he loves our players and vice versa. we're also his best chance at getting a ring this year.

[Onus]

if someone offers us a top 10 pick for Speights or Lee... you do it. that's not even a question.

Probably wouldn't be a top 10 pick but most likely a top 20 pick. Possibly top 14.

Lol......wanna be more specific.

I would guess Dallas, Cle, and PHX would be willing to part with 1st for a big. Just off the top of my head

[Onus]

Of course it's low percentage...because the guy may decide to just stay home with the kids. Ultimately what he wants in coming back, is a ring. Who has a better chance? Us? Or Dallas? Again...arguable.

You saying he'd be fifth string center is your opinion....I don't really care because if he comes here he is the type of guy who could get a bunch of dnp's and then come in and play in a tough game. He's the type you can trust in a big game over a guy like Festus, or maybe even Speights.....depends on the situation and the matchups.

Why you're so adament, I dont understand. Because I feel that the way the Warriors have gone about their off season and this season regarding the big man spots is to hold tight. Not panic....not bring up any d league guys.....maybe, just maybe, Jermaine and Myers, Kerr, Gentry, might have talked about coming over once he's done coaching his son, or maybe just wanting to cut his own season in half in order to last for a playoff run.

You may be right....big deal if you are...and if you are pooping roses, my hope is that it rips your a$$ to shreds on the way out..... Now clean yourself up.

You're a glutton for punishment aren't you. Do you not remember the Clippers series? JO was getting torched by everyone. He was by far our worst player in that series.

He also got his knee rolled up on by Big Baby. I will agree that against Jordan and Griffin they're a bit to athletic for him. But against some of the bigger slower guys he will do fine.

For instance if we play Memphis he could help....even if it's only against Koufos. But some minutes on Gasol could help. Against the Spurs he definitely could help against Duncan and Splitter. Just a couple of examples.

Why you're against depth is crazy to me. I think you just like to stir ish up.

I'm not opposed to depth, I just don't think we'd be his no. 1 choice.

TBH though I would have rather taken a chance on Hassan Whiteside who just signed with Miami.

[turk3d]

What could we offer NY before Dally is waived ($4M expiring)? Would we give up Rush and Kuz + Something else (Rush + Kuz = only $2M which won't be enough to meet CBA)? No way we'll be able to claim him once he's waived (too many teams ahead of us).

[turk3d]

So there are 96 minutes between the 4 and 5. Green and Bogut should be playing about 30 each, Green probably more than and Bogut a little less than but let's say between the 2 of them they avg 30 each. That leaves 36 minutes of back up minutes between Barnes (4), Lee, and Speights at the 4 and 5 position. So if you think Lee and Speights will monopolize the minutes Green doesn't play at the 4 then you're leaving about 15 minutes for Barnes at only the 3 and his honorary starting 3 position and not playing Barnes at his best position the stretch 4. And you'd really rather play Lee and Speights and forget about being able to switch everything 1-4 as well as reducing the spacing for that back up unit, which is already lacking in 3 point shooters to play Lee and Speights together? Have you not thought this all the way through yet?

If correct, that's only if no one gets hurt again. And FYI, these guys (Bogut and Ezeli are still out who knows how long it will be before Lee gets injured again)? This is all about insurance (depth @ 4 & 5 with Lee and Speights both healthy) but let's trade of them with our top 2 Centers still out injured. Oh, and what happens should Dray go out injured for a spell? What then?

I really don't understand why you guys are so focused on the regular season as if they give out championships in the regular season ...

Because it's the regular season that determines playoff seeding. And if we can get 1-4 we're assured of home court advantage at least in the 1st round. Last season we can within a few points of making it past the Clippers who had the HCA. Who knows what would have happened if we were playong that 7th game in Oakland?

And that was with a much worse team last year so even without Bogut in the POs we'd still have a much better chance, especially if we have Home Court. Not to mention that it's during the regular season which helps our players to build confidence going into the playoffs.I don't understand why you think the regular season is irrelevant?

[Twinkie defense]

He hasn't much this year. Did you happen to catch any other year of his career? He's played PF quite a bit in his career. Lee has too. I know you know this, not sure why you are continuing to argue it.

Because the team plays better with them at center than with them at pf. The game has evolved it's time that you catch up with it.

Only because Bogut's injured. They play Center out of necessity (because we don't have one other than Kuzmic). What's our +- with Bogut in the lineup? Or when Ezeli plays? Playing Mo @ Center is nother more than a stopgap for us and we certainly shouldn't be dealing him until we get our bigs back. Dalembert's not going to do it for us as a starting Center and neither is Lee by himself. The time to trade Mo (if any) will be next season when he's an expiring. Then maybe we can get a #1 for him if that makes sense.

FWIW, before the season even started Kerr said he liked Mo and that Mo would be playing backup center for the Warriors.

Though I do think it's stupid to trade away guys that are helping you have the best record in basketball.

[Twinkie defense]

So you think it's more likely that JO signs with us as our 5th string center for DEPTH, rather than sign with say Dallas and be their 2nd string center, which is also where he lives?

I poop roses would you like to buy some?

JO would sign here because Warriors have the best record in the League - good chance to get a ring before he retires; because he's played here, done well, liked it; because he likes guys like Draymond.

Warriors have a big need for a situational defensive big man, and there will be opportunities for JO to play here regardless of Mo et. al. And I don't think he wants to be putting in a regular 20mpg.

Will he sign here? Maybe, maybe not. Dallas may be the favorite, with GS in the two spot. But you're silly if you're the Warriors if you preclude that possibility before JO makes his decision. Team is doing just fine without any changes right now, thank you, and JO will likely be making his decision in the next couple of weeks, and we won't really need him until the playoffs - might be nice to have another body to throw at guys like Duncan, Z-Bo, Gasol, don't you think?

[Kuya]

i love that we're now a destination where players wanna go to win a ring