Warriors v Clippers

[TravisScott55]

Curry most fun player to watch

[sonnyhill]

Has anyone also noticed how Curry is also successfully becoming a really good rebounder?

Rebounding is about effort, hustle, desire and timing. We should also now acknowledge this new aspect to Curry's game.

[Onus]

The clippers really turned on the defensive intensity last night. The defensive pressure they can apply on the perimeter is going to cause a lot of issues for teams. They’re going to be much better than I thought.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Has anyone also noticed how Curry is also successfully becoming a really good rebounder?

Rebounding is about effort, hustle, desire and timing. We should also now acknowledge this new aspect to Curry's game.

He's averaged more than 5 rebounds per game for years now but I think you're referring to the fact that he's averaging 10 rebounds per game so far this season.

Well played, sir.

[Commodor]

Moody/Lee should start with Poole playing with iggy/OPJ/JTA/Bjelica.

Give him more spacing and the ball in his hands to get a groove.

Overreaction. Poole also already gets all the time without Curry on the floor. All you do here is cut his minutes down, that's it.

By the way, Poole's defense today was much improved. Kerr called him out on it multiple times and today it felt like he was locked in aside from a couple unnecessary fouls. If that's sustainable, that's growth and there shouldn't even be a debate about starting anyone but him until Klay comes back.

I have been saying this since pre season. No need to cut down minutes, I just believe Poole is better with the ball in his hands than a catch-and-shoot role. Keep his minutes up but to start the game let Curry run the show first half of Q1. If Moody can establish his defense quickly he's a better fit. I wouldn't mind JTA or Iggy getting that spot but they seem to mesh really well with OPJ & Bjelica already. Maybe against bigger lineups.

[Old_Blue]

Has anyone also noticed how Curry is also successfully becoming a really good rebounder?

Rebounding is about effort, hustle, desire and timing. We should also now acknowledge this new aspect to Curry's game.

Curry is the anti-Wiseman. He does a great job of positioning himself after the shot. Given his size, physical limitations and lack of leaping ability, I'd say Curry is an outstanding rebounder.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Has anyone also noticed how Curry is also successfully becoming a really good rebounder?

Rebounding is about effort, hustle, desire and timing. We should also now acknowledge this new aspect to Curry's game.

Curry is the anti-Wiseman. He does a great job of positioning himself after the shot. Given his size, physical limitations and lack of leaping ability, I'd say Curry is an outstanding rebounder.

Anti-Wiseman? That is just so bizarre. It's become pathological with you.

The obsession is such that everything goes back to Wiseman. If you compare something to Wiseman, it's bad. If you contrast something with Wiseman, it's good. You should coin Wiseman as a new epithet: Don't be such a Wiseman. Wiseman is the new Karen.

[sonnyhill]

BTW, is anyone else on the board "concerned" about the number of turnovers the Warriors are committing?

Also, any explanation on why?

And, how can this be improved upon?

[SpreeChokeJob]

BTW, is anyone else on the board "concerned" about the number of turnovers the Warriors are committing?

Also, any explanation on why?

And, how can this be improved upon?

I think it’s from a lack of focus from overconfidence. Mentally they have to be disciplined to play the same way as when they are up 19 as when they are tied 0-0.

[Sleepy51]

BTW, is anyone else on the board "concerned" about the number of turnovers the Warriors are committing?

Also, any explanation on why?

And, how can this be improved upon?

It's just a function of passing the ball more than dribbling it. There are a lot of HOF point guards in the all time turnover leaders list, and clearly more pass first types than iso scorers. Letting go of the ball puts it at risk. Not only adding the time the ball is in the air and theoretically up for grabs, but also now requiring the recipient of the pass to catch it and transition into another basketball move. Passing systems are more complex with more points for the system to break down or be disrupted by the defense, but they create opportunity that outweighs the increased risk.

There are turnovers that should be reduced as people get into basketball shape and tighten up the systems and improve the risk taking proposition but that should just come as the team gels. We are at game 2. If we are still committing the same careless turnovers at game 50 it's a problem.

[Sleepy51]

I do want to point out Curry's craptacular 2nd quarter to the "put Curry back in earlier" truthers from last season. He runs a marathon during every game. He needs the recovery time that our consistent and preferred rotation gives him to be as close to back at peak performance as possible for the times when opposing units are worn down at the end of quarters. Putting him back in even just a minute early reduces that recovery time meaningfully.

[floppymoose]

Yeah I've never understood the criticism of how Kerr manages Curry's minutes. I love the consistency, and I bet Steph does too.

[Onus]

BTW, is anyone else on the board "concerned" about the number of turnovers the Warriors are committing?

Also, any explanation on why?

And, how can this be improved upon?

It's just a function of passing the ball more than dribbling it. There are a lot of HOF point guards in the all time turnover leaders list, and clearly more pass first types than iso scorers. Letting go of the ball puts it at risk. Not only adding the time the ball is in the air and theoretically up for grabs, but also now requiring the recipient of the pass to catch it and transition into another basketball move. Passing systems are more complex with more points for the system to break down or be disrupted by the defense, but they create opportunity that outweighs the increased risk.

There are turnovers that should be reduced as people get into basketball shape and tighten up the systems and improve the risk taking proposition but that should just come as the team gels. We are at game 2. If we are still committing the same careless turnovers at game 50 it's a problem.

If you remember 2015 when Kerr originally took over we were turning the ball over a ton as well. It happens when you have a bunch of new people running this system as everyone has to be on the same page and know what they are doing otherwise you're passing to where you think they should go and then they aren't there. It'll probably get cleaned up through the course of the season, but expect a lot of turnovers in the beginning of the year.

[Onus]

I do want to point out Curry's craptacular 2nd quarter to the "put Curry back in earlier" truthers from last season. He runs a marathon during every game. He needs the recovery time that our consistent and preferred rotation gives him to be as close to back at peak performance as possible for the times when opposing units are worn down at the end of quarters. Putting him back in even just a minute early reduces that recovery time meaningfully.

IDK how true about that recovery thing is as his minutes ramp up in the playoffs and does it really affect him then?

[floppymoose]

You are increasing injury risk when you play guys tired. But it may be worth a little extra risk in the playoffs when the season is on the line. In the regular season it's usually not worth it.

[shazam_guy]

Coxy: Glad you and your family (and the four-legged member of the fam, too) are okay. Sounds horrifying.

And it's always fun to read the game threads. Makes me want to see one game -- only one -- when they would hand over the teams to fans and let them substitute and choose plays by democratic vote from their remotes, like those experiments in interactive TV. Would be hilarious. Players would be yanked before they got halfway onto the floor, or thrown out after one missed shot or turnover. We would have rotations of all outside shooters, then entirely rebounders when the shooters clanked a couple.

Make it happen, NBA. Keep me entertained. It's a great time out.

[The-Power]

I have been saying this since pre season. No need to cut down minutes, I just believe Poole is better with the ball in his hands than a catch-and-shoot role. Keep his minutes up but to start the game let Curry run the show first half of Q1.

How do you think the rotation should look like if you want to not start him but keep his minutes as they are/project to be? Also, how many minutes do you want Poole to play on average? Lastly, Curry only sits for about 14 minutes per game. Poole already plays during all of those minutes. So if you want to keep his minutes as they are, you're going to have him play next to Curry the exact same number of minutes. So what do you really gain?

There are a couple of other important things I'd also like to point out. First, the Poole-Curry combination has been amazing last season. Second, we are still undefeated since Curry and Poole are starting together since pre-season. Yet here we are talking about changes to the starting line-up – talk about trying to fix things that aren't broken. Third, and perhaps most importantly, Curry has always been more of a late-first than early-first quarter player in terms of taking over. So now you want to insert Poole – who you think should have the ball in his hands – right around the time that Curry usually heats it up (because if you didn't, there's no way to keep Poole's minutes up)? That makes zero sense to me.

I'm honestly a bit baffled by the idea that does not appear to be all that uncommon (i.e. I'm not singling you out here). If you believe Poole currently isn't really better than our other 15-20 MPG rotation guys, that's a different conversation to have. But if you actually believe that he is a key player for us who should to play close to 30 MPG then based on everything I pointed out above, I don't see how this makes any sense whatsoever.

[GSWFan1994]

BTW, is anyone else on the board "concerned" about the number of turnovers the Warriors are committing?

Also, any explanation on why?

And, how can this be improved upon?

Not at all.

The team has many new pieces in the rotation.

This problem will eventually fixes itself as the players get acquainted to each other in the actual games.

[parsnips33]

Anybody else loving the offensive aggression from Draymond? The missed FTs sucked, but it looks like he's making a point to be a bit more of a factor offensively, and even a little improvement there could go a long way

[Commodor]

I have been saying this since pre season. No need to cut down minutes, I just believe Poole is better with the ball in his hands than a catch-and-shoot role. Keep his minutes up but to start the game let Curry run the show first half of Q1.

How do you think the rotation should look like if you want to not start him but keep his minutes as they are/project to be? Also, how many minutes do you want Poole to play on average? Lastly, Curry only sits for about 14 minutes per game. Poole already plays during all of those minutes. So if you want to keep his minutes as they are, you're going to have him play next to Curry the exact same number of minutes. So what do you really gain?

We have extensive history of getting Iguodala off the bench and his minutes. Figuring out Poole won't be difficult. His end minutes would look similar to Harden/Manu had in their 6th man glory days. Just ensures that we have a primary ball handler on the court at all times and safeguards against any foul situations.

There are a couple of other important things I'd also like to point out. First, the Poole-Curry combination has been amazing last season. Second, we are still undefeated since Curry and Poole are starting together since pre-season. Yet here we are talking about changes to the starting line-up – talk about trying to fix things that aren't broken. Third, and perhaps most importantly, Curry has always been more of a late-first than early-first quarter player in terms of taking over. So now you want to insert Poole – who you think should have the ball in his hands – right around the time that Curry usually heats it up (because if you didn't, there's no way to keep Poole's minutes up)? That makes zero sense to me.

You do realize we will be changing the starting lineup when Klay is back right? In reality why are we reinforcing lineups that likely will be obsolete at the mid way point. If anything letting Poole develop his chemistry with the second unit now would be stabilize our lineup so the only person who needs to adjust is Klay while the rest of the squad is already clicking.

Also by inserting Poole while Curry is heating up should open the door for a couple of open shots before he takes over the primary duties. That way Curry can get his game going earlier and by the time he comes off the court Poole should be dialed in.

I'm honestly a bit baffled by the idea that does not appear to be all that uncommon (i.e. I'm not singling you out here). If you believe Poole currently isn't really better than our other 15-20 MPG rotation guys, that's a different conversation to have. But if you actually believe that he is a key player for us who should to play close to 30 MPG then based on everything I pointed out above, I don't see how this makes any sense whatsoever.

I do not believe anyone is saying he is going to lose minutes here just that he should have more time to operate without Curry. The second unit doesnt have a clear cut primary ball handler and I would rather save Iguodala's legs as much as possible before playoffs. Poole should operate as our 6th man by the end of the year so why are we not letting him get more minutes in the actual rotations he will be in?