Kuminga and moody extensions

[CDM_Stats]

JK's become a bench spark who's job is to score, and is better at the 4 than 3.... check

Looney has really asserted himself as the best C option and hopefully is in the starting lineup soon... check

Lazy metrics doing work in these first 7 games

SG. Is it Moody, Melton, or Hield? That's the next piece of the puzzle.

It could be any of them, or maybe even GP2.. if Kerr can get them to buy into the team mentality and start whoever fits best against the opponent? That would give them some serious versatility

[Scoots1994]

JK's become a bench spark who's job is to score, and is better at the 4 than 3.... check

Looney has really asserted himself as the best C option and hopefully is in the starting lineup soon... check

Lazy metrics doing work in these first 7 games

SG. Is it Moody, Melton, or Hield? That's the next piece of the puzzle.

It could be any of them, or maybe even GP2.. if Kerr can get them to buy into the team mentality and start whoever fits best against the opponent? That would give them some serious versatility

I get flashes of that. Lineups are still being explored, and hopefully they can match up lineups and dominate. But it's too early to tell if Kerr actually does it and does it well.

[Onus]

SG. Is it Moody, Melton, or Hield? That's the next piece of the puzzle.

It could be any of them, or maybe even GP2.. if Kerr can get them to buy into the team mentality and start whoever fits best against the opponent? That would give them some serious versatility

I get flashes of that. Lineups are still being explored, and hopefully they can match up lineups and dominate. But it's too early to tell if Kerr actually does it and does it well.

If Kerr is actually able to play people based on merit, ride the hot hand, play the matchups this could be one of his greatest coaching jobs.

[Scoots1994]

It could be any of them, or maybe even GP2.. if Kerr can get them to buy into the team mentality and start whoever fits best against the opponent? That would give them some serious versatility

I get flashes of that. Lineups are still being explored, and hopefully they can match up lineups and dominate. But it's too early to tell if Kerr actually does it and does it well.

If Kerr is actually able to play people based on merit, ride the hot hand, play the matchups this could be one of his greatest coaching jobs.

It's going to be down to the bench coaches getting the data in front of him during games. Honestly I'm surprised they don't have live analytics already leading the lineups choices.

[Onus]

I get flashes of that. Lineups are still being explored, and hopefully they can match up lineups and dominate. But it's too early to tell if Kerr actually does it and does it well.

If Kerr is actually able to play people based on merit, ride the hot hand, play the matchups this could be one of his greatest coaching jobs.

It's going to be down to the bench coaches getting the data in front of him during games. Honestly I'm surprised they don't have live analytics already leading the lineups choices.

Honestly I'm not sure how much live analytics would help. It's such a small sample size that relying on stats on what's going on in the game can be really tough. It's probably much more individualized like hey you missed this rotation, you missed this box out, than what's going on with the lineups. Maybe eventually we get there but I don't think we're there yet. I mean someone getting hot can ruin the stats even though everyone is playing to the game plan to a t.

[Scoots1994]

If Kerr is actually able to play people based on merit, ride the hot hand, play the matchups this could be one of his greatest coaching jobs.

It's going to be down to the bench coaches getting the data in front of him during games. Honestly I'm surprised they don't have live analytics already leading the lineups choices.

Honestly I'm not sure how much live analytics would help. It's such a small sample size that relying on stats on what's going on in the game can be really tough. It's probably much more individualized like hey you missed this rotation, you missed this box out, than what's going on with the lineups. Maybe eventually we get there but I don't think we're there yet. I mean someone getting hot can ruin the stats even though everyone is playing to the game plan to a t.

I wasn't suggesting a computer should determine lineups, but that the bench should be able to suggest lineups and minutes based on data, both historical and from that game. Something like that might get Moody back on the floor when he was particularly good in the previous quarter against the opposing player who is currently scorching hot. Or when the lineup on the floor is struggling against the opponents current lineup while a different lineup had dominated them earlier in the game or at some point in the past. It's pretty hard to hold all that info in your head on a moment to moment basis, so a system that might prompt that date seems like it would make sense.

[Onus]

It's going to be down to the bench coaches getting the data in front of him during games. Honestly I'm surprised they don't have live analytics already leading the lineups choices.

Honestly I'm not sure how much live analytics would help. It's such a small sample size that relying on stats on what's going on in the game can be really tough. It's probably much more individualized like hey you missed this rotation, you missed this box out, than what's going on with the lineups. Maybe eventually we get there but I don't think we're there yet. I mean someone getting hot can ruin the stats even though everyone is playing to the game plan to a t.

I wasn't suggesting a computer should determine lineups, but that the bench should be able to suggest lineups and minutes based on data, both historical and from that game. Something like that might get Moody back on the floor when he was particularly good in the previous quarter against the opposing player who is currently scorching hot. Or when the lineup on the floor is struggling against the opponents current lineup while a different lineup had dominated them earlier in the game or at some point in the past. It's pretty hard to hold all that info in your head on a moment to moment basis, so a system that might prompt that date seems like it would make sense.

Moody wasn't great in the boston game. He was late in some places. He's just in a tough spot to get minutes because he doesn't really excel at 1 thing, he's just kind of good at a lot of things.

TBH Lindy probably should be out of the rotation again. He's kind of just getting cardio out there, kind of like Moody was last year.

But coming back to your point that the bench should suggest lineups based on data, they can't even implement a review process that works with video playback and you're expecting someone on the bench to be able to look through data and make an in game suggestion? These coaches aren't the most tech savvy and they don't appear to be the most analytically driven either. To get the buy in from the coaches as well as the players that your minutes would be determined by some new coach who is looking at data rather than the game would probably be pretty hard.

[CDM_Stats]

Analytics takes a lot of time.. real-time analytics would be tough. The number of things that some of these metrics look at is significant and needs multiple views. When I was actually doing that a few years back, I was about 10-15 minutes behind every half because it takes so long to get a complete picture

[Scoots1994]

Analytics takes a lot of time.. real-time analytics would be tough. The number of things that some of these metrics look at is significant and needs multiple views. When I was actually doing that a few years back, I was about 10-15 minutes behind every half because it takes so long to get a complete picture

Yeah ... but you know AI is going to shorten that cycle.

[Nvnervous45]

I don't care if looney or tjd starts, I think it only matters that looney plays no more than 16 minutes a game to protect his body.

[watch1958]

Analytics takes a lot of time.. real-time analytics would be tough. The number of things that some of these metrics look at is significant and needs multiple views. When I was actually doing that a few years back, I was about 10-15 minutes behind every half because it takes so long to get a complete picture

Yeah ... but you know AI is going to shorten that cycle.

Be funny if AI essentially replaced coaches in the game. Have an AI voice tell a player why he’s sitting tonight.

[wco81]

Speaking of Looney, didn't they decline to exercise a team option on his contract for this year?

Or did they decline to extend him?

He's making $8 million and I thought the Warriors might have declined that to renegotiate to a lower number.

So he will be a UFA after the season.

So far he's earning his salary.

[Scoots1994]

Analytics takes a lot of time.. real-time analytics would be tough. The number of things that some of these metrics look at is significant and needs multiple views. When I was actually doing that a few years back, I was about 10-15 minutes behind every half because it takes so long to get a complete picture

Yeah ... but you know AI is going to shorten that cycle.

Be funny if AI essentially replaced coaches in the game. Have an AI voice tell a player why he’s sitting tonight.

Yeah, that's not anywhere CLOSE to happening. I was talking about AI gathering data about who was near who on offense and defense and who was defending who when they took a shot etc.

[wco81]

I bet you can ask ChatGPT what are the best lineups the Warriors should play.

Probably come up with an invalid answer but it would come up with an answer.

Some companies are using LLMs on proprietary data, to provide results to queries involving company data and processes.

So they could feed it advanced data but there are services provided that already to teams.

[wco81]

So The Athletic reports that they could have traded for PG if Kuminga was offered.

The LA Clippers likely would have agreed to a Paul George trade with the Golden State Warriors if Jonathan Kuminga was offered, reports Sam Amick of The Athletic. Kuminga was discussed in some scenarios, but the Warriors later pulled him off the table. Kuminga was the only young player on the Warriors that the Clippers viewed as a potential star.

Brandin Podziemski was also on the Clippers' wish list, but he also wasn't made available by the Warriors.

The most realistic offer for the Clippers was Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Moses Moody and a first round pick for George. The total cost of that deal would have been approximately $110 million when factoring in second-apron luxury tax penalties.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277969/Clippers-Likely-Would-Have-Traded-Paul-George-To-Warriors-If-Jonathan-Kuminga-Was-Offered

PG obviously is a better player but Wiggins has played well so far and is the primary POA defender.

Moody is also in the regular rotation as well.

As has been Kuminga.

So potentially 2 or 3 players who've been in the rotation for a star.

It's early but if the team continues this level of play, I'd have hated to lose Wiggins.

[whatisacenter]

So The Athletic reports that they could have traded for PG if Kuminga was offered.

The LA Clippers likely would have agreed to a Paul George trade with the Golden State Warriors if Jonathan Kuminga was offered, reports Sam Amick of The Athletic. Kuminga was discussed in some scenarios, but the Warriors later pulled him off the table. Kuminga was the only young player on the Warriors that the Clippers viewed as a potential star.

Brandin Podziemski was also on the Clippers' wish list, but he also wasn't made available by the Warriors.

The most realistic offer for the Clippers was Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Moses Moody and a first round pick for George. The total cost of that deal would have been approximately $110 million when factoring in second-apron luxury tax penalties.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277969/Clippers-Likely-Would-Have-Traded-Paul-George-To-Warriors-If-Jonathan-Kuminga-Was-Offered

PG obviously is a better player but Wiggins has played well so far and is the primary POA defender.

Moody is also in the regular rotation as well.

As has been Kuminga.

So potentially 2 or 3 players who've been in the rotation for a star.

It's early but if the team continues this level of play, I'd have hated to lose Wiggins.

I have a hard time 100% believing any of these reports….it always feels like a side benefits from the story.

[Crazy-Canuck]

So The Athletic reports that they could have traded for PG if Kuminga was offered.

The LA Clippers likely would have agreed to a Paul George trade with the Golden State Warriors if Jonathan Kuminga was offered, reports Sam Amick of The Athletic. Kuminga was discussed in some scenarios, but the Warriors later pulled him off the table. Kuminga was the only young player on the Warriors that the Clippers viewed as a potential star.

Brandin Podziemski was also on the Clippers' wish list, but he also wasn't made available by the Warriors.

The most realistic offer for the Clippers was Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Moses Moody and a first round pick for George. The total cost of that deal would have been approximately $110 million when factoring in second-apron luxury tax penalties.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277969/Clippers-Likely-Would-Have-Traded-Paul-George-To-Warriors-If-Jonathan-Kuminga-Was-Offered

PG obviously is a better player but Wiggins has played well so far and is the primary POA defender.

Moody is also in the regular rotation as well.

As has been Kuminga.

So potentially 2 or 3 players who've been in the rotation for a star.

It's early but if the team continues this level of play, I'd have hated to lose Wiggins.

I have a hard time 100% believing any of these reports….it always feels like a side benefits from the story.

The salary matching doesn't make sense. Cp3 and wiggins wouldn't have been going out in a pg13 deal.

[CDM_Stats]

Yeah ... but you know AI is going to shorten that cycle.

Be funny if AI essentially replaced coaches in the game. Have an AI voice tell a player why he’s sitting tonight.

Yeah, that's not anywhere CLOSE to happening. I was talking about AI gathering data about who was near who on offense and defense and who was defending who when they took a shot etc.

Maybe could do part of it, but I think if you saw the full scope of SS and the programs built off of it... AI's not a real threat to replace anything. It could assist though

[CDM_Stats]

So The Athletic reports that they could have traded for PG if Kuminga was offered.

The LA Clippers likely would have agreed to a Paul George trade with the Golden State Warriors if Jonathan Kuminga was offered, reports Sam Amick of The Athletic. Kuminga was discussed in some scenarios, but the Warriors later pulled him off the table. Kuminga was the only young player on the Warriors that the Clippers viewed as a potential star.

Brandin Podziemski was also on the Clippers' wish list, but he also wasn't made available by the Warriors.

The most realistic offer for the Clippers was Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Moses Moody and a first round pick for George. The total cost of that deal would have been approximately $110 million when factoring in second-apron luxury tax penalties.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/277969/Clippers-Likely-Would-Have-Traded-Paul-George-To-Warriors-If-Jonathan-Kuminga-Was-Offered

PG obviously is a better player but Wiggins has played well so far and is the primary POA defender.

Moody is also in the regular rotation as well.

As has been Kuminga.

So potentially 2 or 3 players who've been in the rotation for a star.

It's early but if the team continues this level of play, I'd have hated to lose Wiggins.

I have a hard time 100% believing any of these reports….it always feels like a side benefits from the story.

I heard it from the Warriors side and told you guys like once a month since..

It benefits both sides to see it now. Warriors are happy with their roster and Clippers are justifying why they didnt do it without him

[CDM_Stats]

The salary matching doesn't make sense. Cp3 and wiggins wouldn't have been going out in a pg13 deal.

Dont forget about CP3's weird non-gtd salary

I dont know if what Amick is saying was the offer was actually the offer.. but yes, the Warriors withheld JK and Podz because they were trying for both PG13 and Lauri