Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[northoakland510]

Half this board would rebound better than JK if they had his body. Its not about me. Its about JK.

He is a supreme athlete without a motor. I like JK, but he has refused to do what they needed him to do for four years. Hustle, rebound and play defense that is the basics.

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[Crazy-Canuck]

Half this board would rebound better than JK if they had his body. Its not about me. Its about JK.

He is a supreme athlete without a motor. I like JK, but he has refused to do what they needed him to do for four years. Hustle, rebound and play defense that is the basics.

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I think its less about motor and more about awareness. He just doesn't have it. It's also what holds him back from being a help defender.

[northoakland510]

Half this board would rebound better than JK if they had his body. Its not about me. Its about JK.

He is a supreme athlete without a motor. I like JK, but he has refused to do what they needed him to do for four years. Hustle, rebound and play defense that is the basics.

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I think its less about motor and more about awareness. He just doesn't have it. It's also what holds him back from being a help defender.

Oh ok that makes sense. What also bothers me is his workouts. Why is he not working out with other NBA or College talent? How has he not figured out his trainers are not enough.

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[HiRez]

Half this board would rebound better than JK if they had his body. Its not about me. Its about JK.

He is a supreme athlete without a motor. I like JK, but he has refused to do what they needed him to do for four years. Hustle, rebound and play defense that is the basics.

I pretty much agree. When he's engaged, he can be absolutely incredible, to the point where teams can't stop him and he seems to be all over every play in a good way. But he's rarely engaged for most games, or most of the 48 minutes in a game. I can forgive some mistakes like missing some shots or losing his handle, but his focus/concentration affects so much of his game. He still gets caught ball-watching so much of the time, or NOT keeping an eye on what's going on behind him. I can't forgive a lack of effort when there's so many other players in the league who maybe don't have his physical gifts but are still among the world's top .0001% of basketball players and athletes who are fighting like dogs on every play and will eat your lunch if you're not matching that intensity. Just hesitating for 1/2 second on a rebound before going after it is enough to cost you a bunch of them every game, as shorter, less athletic guys like Podz are going to swoop in there and take it from you because they're proactive.

I don't think Kerr did him any favors, but he has to take responsibility for his own shortcomings. Best for everyone including Kuminga that he goes elsewhere, just get it done and end the botched experiment. I just hope they can get something for him, but I'm not expecting an incredible return given the circumstances. If they can find a way to turn Kuminga into Gafford, I'd be pretty happy, but they probably need shooters more.

[statsman]

What also bothers me is his workouts. Why is he not working out with other NBA or College talent? How has he not figured out his trainers are not enough.

He is trying to minimize his exposure until he gets the bag. It's why he skipped college in the first place. I don't buy any other excuses.

[bay2hk]

What also bothers me is his workouts. Why is he not working out with other NBA or College talent? How has he not figured out his trainers are not enough.

He is trying to minimize his exposure until he gets the bag. It's why he skipped college in the first place. I don't buy any other excuses.

He’s been exposed, and he’s not getting what he was expecting this offseason. I say warriors give him 4 years / ~$61M with a starting salary of ~$13.5m (8% annual raise). Also give Kuminga a PO in his 3rd year. This would be the most fair for all parties because no one is offering him more, and Kuminga gets a pay raise from the QO of ~$8m.

[Onus]

He is a supreme athlete without a motor. I like JK, but he has refused to do what they needed him to do for four years. Hustle, rebound and play defense that is the basics.

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I think its less about motor and more about awareness. He just doesn't have it. It's also what holds him back from being a help defender.

Oh ok that makes sense. What also bothers me is his workouts. Why is he not working out with other NBA or College talent? How has he not figured out his trainers are not enough.

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Because he wants to work on his 1v1 game. He actually improved a lot this year being able to beat centers which he wasn't able to do consistently until this year.

[Jester_]

it's weird that the same fanbase that's suffered through anthony randolph, mikael pitraus, corey maggette, etc. keeps falling for this trip

athletes like JK never get anywhere without high bbiq. kuminga is a basketball dumbass. he doesn't rebound because he thinks he's Kobe.

[EvanZ]

My pre draft comp for JK was Josh Smith. Smith was like half knucklehead half savant. Kuminga is like 100% knucklehead.

[CS707]

Salary cap experts please correct me here but isn't Kuminga on a decent sized contract is one of the more viable ways to add talent in the near future?

[bay2hk]

Salary cap experts please correct me here but isn't Kuminga on a decent sized contract is one of the more viable ways to add talent in the near future?

It’s not if he continues to perform the same as the past 4 years. Jordan Poole contract redux if we give him anything more the MLE.

[floppymoose]

If he is signed to a large deal and leads the tank, there is a real chance he will be very tradable. DeAngelo was and he wasnt any good. Im not afraid of signing him. Im afraid of keeping the vets. Two timelines is done. We are in the darkest timeline now.

[vvoland]

If he is signed to a large deal and leads the tank, there is a real chance he will be very tradable. DeAngelo was and he wasnt any good. Im not afraid of signing him. Im afraid of keeping the vets. Two timelines is done. We are in the darkest timeline now.

Nate Duncan did the gsw off-season and talked about how desperate teams are at the 3/4 and even with jk's struggles, he's 20-25/yr even now. Sure, he's flawed but dynamic wings are so prized, anyone with a pulse can command big dollars. If jk falls through the cracks and we can get him for 5/100 or 5/80, this may really break our way, short and long term.

[Dubs 707]

I'd argue, dray, and butler's contracts are hurting us more than a 5/100, and a 5/80 would be a steal.

[bay2hk]

I'd argue, dray, and butler's contracts are hurting us more than a 5/100, and a 5/80 would be a steal.

Average $16m per annum for 5 years isn’t unreasonable. That’s slightly above the NP MLE annum average. Anything more than $18m is an overpay.

We also need to sign at least 4 more players (assuming we pick up PO on GUI, TJD, and post) to fill out our roster so having room under the 1st apron is important. Bring back loon, GP2, and melton on minimum vet contract. Sign our SRP two weeks into the season to save some money for an end of season signing.

[The-Power]

This would the best way for everyone. GSW would have 50 games to figure out before trade dead line.

1. Give Kuminga 30min playing time mostly with main players.
2. If we are TOP4 team in the West and Kuminga playing well, keep him.
3. If we are somewhere between 5-8th, b/c of Kuminga, trade him for Poole/Wiggs/Simons/Collins

Imagine watching last season and thinking the worst we could do is the 8th seed. A lot of fans still don't seem to understand that we have no margin for error going into next season.

[Senchu]

So Nets not interested in JK, but interested in some Capspace trades involving JK.

[Nvnervous45]

Lol. . The problem with kuminga is he's only good at 2 things, beating 1 on 1 off the dribble and alley Oops.... his ft % is sub 70% (which is terrible for a interior guy. His 3pt % is 33% for his career. His rebound average is poor for a guy his size. So let's stop pretending that athleticism equals a good basketball player. And for God sake's let's stop blaming coack Kerr for Kuminga's shortcomings as a player or his lack of playing time.

[Warriorguy]

JK bets on himself and does team friendly 1 and 1 deal.

[KevinMcreynolds]

He ain’t it and the league knows it, I’d take a rack of basketballs for him