Trade deadline comin soon.. Do warriors make a deal?

[floppymoose]

34-18 if Nellie would of kept Pat Burke

hahahaha. no.

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I have an insanity filter when it comes to 510. I know he's a looneybird, so I throw out the gibberish and focus on the real point:

Brandan should have played a ton of Pete's minutes this year.

We should all be able to agree on that.

True genius is never understood in its time.

[thetrueth]

Let me try and simplify this as much as possible:

-Nellie says BWright is not ready.

-Wright, in his limited time, has played well within the system, offensively and defensively. He has certainly looked better than our current bench players at times.

-Nellie has mentioned strength as a reason for Wright not being able to play now

-Wright was holding guys who were 40-50lb heavier than him outside of the post, and D them up: when he was 15 lbs lighter

So what's that say about Nellie, and his bull?

guys like Foyle were good scorers in college too, but you could guard him with a stepstool.

Wright was holding guys 40-50lbs heavier than him outside the post? Where did you see that? It certainly doesn't seem like he's doing that in his sparse minutes now.

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I know this is hard for a lot of you faithful pessimists to believe... but I actually think our roster, in a year or two w/proper development, can be a run-n-gun uptempo team and compete for a title. Who knew?

I'd take Monty over Nellie though... at least we'd find out what we have. There wouldn't be any hollow 50 win seasons using scrubs and wire guys... for all the Monty bashing for being an idiot (and he was) he never had the same type of talent that Nellie has to work with...

Either coach will eventually run us into the ground... Nellie makes it more entertaining for the casual fans... whoopty damn doo. The youth on our team is more efficient, while the experience on our team is more high-risk/high-reward... I guess the question really is which side do you want to invest in?

Monty never had the same talent?
Nelly took the same team, same gm: got younger, more talented, and better financial flexibility.

I know you can't credit Nellie for any of his success, but i never thought you would actually say you'd rather have Monty next season.

[acidicality]

I'd take Monty over Nellie though

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guys like Foyle were good scorers in college too, but you could guard him with a stepstool.

Wright was holding guys 40-50lbs heavier than him outside the post? Where did you see that? It certainly doesn't seem like he's doing that in his sparse minutes now.

Must have been hard to watch the Jazz game with your eyes closed... I was firmly locked in on Wright... he kept Okur out of the paint several times... not that it mattered, no one else on the team played D.

WHo the said anything about scoring on the low block? The premise is Wright doesn't have enough strength to stay in the game... he proved tonight (again) that he does.

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Monty never had the same talent?
Nelly took the same team, same gm: got younger, more talented, and better financial flexibility.

I know you can't credit Nellie for any of his success, but i never thought you would actually say you'd rather have Monty next season.

Ah I see... we're crediting Nellie with the Pacer trade?

Wasn't Nellie the one insisting he could get more out of Dunleavy at the beginning of the year? That he had great ideas for Dun?

Then Mullin trades Dunleavy and Murphy (along with Diogu, someone Nellie didnt care for) for a guy no one else in the league would touch in Jackson... our team improved drastically that day.

Nellie didn't have a much better record, if at all, then Monty did, with the same roster... steeeeeeerike.

[floppymoose]

Ah I see... we're crediting Nellie with the Pacer trade?

Wasn't Nellie the one insisting he could get more out of Dunleavy at the beginning of the year? That he had great ideas for Dun?

We (not you and I, just the general "we") go around and around on this. Whichever point someone is trying to make, they pick whoever they want to be the bad guy: Mullin or Nellie; and whoever is the bad guy is the one who didn't make the trade.

[FNQ]

Correct flop..

So the best way to judge the difference between the two is the record without the trade... Nellie led a sub-500 team to the same tune as Monty previous to Jax and Harrington coming into the fold.

Would Monty have gotten the same amount out of those guys? No chance... he's not that type of coach. But would we be in better shape now, going into the post, actually playing basketball instead of getting embarrassed by actually good teams? Absolutely.

Would you sacrifice 5 wins now for 5 in the future? Who cares about this season... we consistently get exposed by teams with discipline and good fundamentals... oh yeah, and post players.

[thetrueth]

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Must have been hard to watch the Jazz game with your eyes closed... I was firmly locked in on Wright... he kept Okur out of the paint several times... not that it mattered, no one else on the team played D.

WHo the said anything about scoring on the low block? The premise is Wright doesn't have enough strength to stay in the game... he proved tonight (again) that he does.

you were the that said Wright kept people out of the post.

unbelievable.

[Sid the Squid]

Bucher floated out a JO to GS rumor tonight on ESPN..But his deal involving the TE , Harrington, Pietrus and O'Bryant doesnt work on any level...

I did come up with a trade that does work for Jermaine..It involves Al, POB, filler and Marco ..

[thetrueth]

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Ah I see... we're crediting Nellie with the Pacer trade?

Wasn't Nellie the one insisting he could get more out of Dunleavy at the beginning of the year? That he had great ideas for Dun?

Then Mullin trades Dunleavy and Murphy (along with Diogu, someone Nellie didnt care for) for a guy no one else in the league would touch in Jackson... our team improved drastically that day.

Nellie didn't have a much better record, if at all, then Monty did, with the same roster... steeeeeeerike.

Yea, the same Nellie that said Dun and Murph sucked after the first game. But considering your history and clear agenda, its easy to omit things that contradict your point.

If you believe every word Nelson says, you're clearly not perceptive.

Who the hell said Nellie had a better record than Monty? You calling strike when you're the only fool playing ball? You're arguing with things you conjuring up.

There really is no point arguing with you, because thread after thread after thread becomes an arguement with you and like 3/4 other posters. No one seems to respond well to your posts, not because of the "points" you are trying to make, but just because you make no sense. You bounce from idea to idea, make statements without proof, and really base everything you say on this grand idea that you smarter than everyone else. Do many of us a favor, and just stop. Hell, i'll do you a favor, and give you one less guy to respond to.

[Twinkie defense]

510 may be the only Warriors fan, literally, who prefers Mike Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant to Don Nelson + whoever.

There goes the homer patrol again... make up facts, its the only way to go.

Actually answer this instead.

Who would you rather have coaching us next year, Nellie or Monty?

I'd take Monty over Nellie

Just want to get this all down for the record!

Any other Monty takers? Anyone? Bueller?

If I could choose between Monty with the exact same roster, but he guarantees Brandan Wright 20 MPG, or Nellie, warts and all, I take Nellie without thinking twice.

I think most everyone here would like to see more of Wright. It's like if you get a new sportscar, but it's been snowing all winter, and you have to wait until the spring to take it out. Who doesn't want immediate gratification?

But, to switch metaphors here, let's say you as the owner of a company hire a manager, that manager brings your company out from under years of poor performance, your customer base is expanding... maybe you wish he did a couple of things differently, but you don't second guess him and micromanage his decisions. Not if you're smart.

At the end of the day coaches are hired and paid to win games. If they don't win games, there are no excuses, they're fired. And conversely, if they're winning games like nobody's business, you let them do their thing, and you're happy you're winning.

Now, if the Warriors are contending for a few years, Nellie's still here, but we can't seem to get over the hump, I have no problem making a calculated gamble and bringing a new guy in, like Detroit did with Larry Brown and Dallas did with Avery. But we're far from that point right now. Since Nellie's gotten here, I don't think anyone could have asked for a bigger, more positive turnaround. So he deserves to keep doing it, and doing it his way, until it is shown (not supposed by the fringe minority) that there is a better way.

[Golden State of Mind]

what's the over under on how long it would have taken jax to choke monty?

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you were the that said Wright kept people out of the post.

unbelievable.

Wow... how lost are you?

Defensively... the reason it was brought up again was because Biedrins mentioned you had to play defense to get on the court if you weren't Tay/Jax/Baron...

Whats the point of going to the offensive low block for us... think you'll ever get an entry pass? Seriously man... I'm not here to do your homework... use your head.

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Oh the ironing... sorry son, I backup everything I say... your whining because I wont find the quotes where Nellie talked about Yi or something... Do your own homework.

Everything I say has a base... its sad too, everyone hates what I say until it comes true...

I love how we're throwing out the Monty argument now... now that we're comparing him with Nellie with the same roster... "That doesn't matter"...

Hester's admission was so funny...

Now, if the Warriors are contending for a few years, Nellie's still here, but we can't seem to get over the hump, I have no problem making a calculated gamble and bringing a new guy in, like Detroit did with Larry Brown and Dallas did with Avery. But we're far from that point right now.

A few years? Thats all? Obviously didn't learn from the fall of Sacto... so basically when Baron, Jax and Al are past their prime, and we still can't get over the hump, that's when you'd like to change coaches...

All we're doing is getting hollow wins... the short-sightedness of the board is scary...

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But, to switch metaphors here, let's say you as the owner of a company hire a manager, that manager brings your company out from under years of poor performance, your customer base is expanding... maybe you wish he did a couple of things differently, but you don't second guess him and micromanage his decisions. Not if you're smart.

This is why we're stuck in hell...

Nellie can make scrubs win... therefore raising prices and awareness about the team. Cohen/Rowell start raking in the cash because of this, therefore, they have no problem with Nellie.

Mullin, the GM, made moves that extremely benefitted Nellie... Nellie has made him look very good in the deals he's made. Oh and all the personal stuff.. he has no problem with Nellie.

The casual fans see a team that went from 30-40 wins to 40-50 wins... we havent seen winning in so long we don't care where it comes from.. casual fan has no problems with Nellie.


So the only people who really have a problem with Nellie are the ones who know Nellie's style / personnel will never with a ring and realize that he's not only not helping the future, but now also hindering it. Shame on us

[BooRadley]

Chad Ford thinks we should move Andris, top tier big man? You mean like KG? Genius.

Arief (New York)NY: Do you see Golden State Warriors making any moves before the deadline?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:17 PM ET ) I do. I think Chris Mullin has to pull the trigger. Their window with Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson is closing. They do have young guys, but short of Monta Ellis, it doesn't appear that any of them have star written on them. If they can package Andris Biedrins, Mickael Pietrus and maybe a veteran for a top tier big man ... they should do it. I just don't think Chris Webber can hold down the fort.

[Subaculta]

510 may be the only Warriors fan, literally, who prefers Mike Montgomery + Patrick O'Bryant to Don Nelson + whoever.

There goes the homer patrol again... make up facts, its the only way to go.

Actually answer this instead.

Who would you rather have coaching us next year, Nellie or Monty?

I'd take Monty over Nellie

Just want to get this all down for the record!

Any other Monty takers? Anyone? Bueller?

If I could choose between Monty with the exact same roster, but he guarantees Brandan Wright 20 MPG, or Nellie, warts and all, I take Nellie without thinking twice.

I think most everyone here would like to see more of Wright. It's like if you get a new sportscar, but it's been snowing all winter, and you have to wait until the spring to take it out. Who doesn't want immediate gratification?

But, to switch metaphors here, let's say you as the owner of a company hire a manager, that manager brings your company out from under years of poor performance, your customer base is expanding... maybe you wish he did a couple of things differently, but you don't second guess him and micromanage his decisions. Not if you're smart.

At the end of the day coaches are hired and paid to win games. If they don't win games, there are no excuses, they're fired. And conversely, if they're winning games like nobody's business, you let them do their thing, and you're happy you're winning.

Now, if the Warriors are contending for a few years, Nellie's still here, but we can't seem to get over the hump, I have no problem making a calculated gamble and bringing a new guy in, like Detroit did with Larry Brown and Dallas did with Avery. But we're far from that point right now. Since Nellie's gotten here, I don't think anyone could have asked for a bigger, more positive turnaround. So he deserves to keep doing it, and doing it his way, until it is shown (not supposed by the fringe minority) that there is a better way.

post of the week

[Subaculta]

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This is why we're stuck in hell...

you mean this board?