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Post#241 » by FNQ » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:00 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:However, you have clearly stated, and it is duly noted that you don't care about interacting with anyone here. . . so why post here? It seems like you expend a lot of energy to preach your gospel amongst folks you don't give a squat about. . . what's the point?


I'm sure you know why...

Ego

I was a moderate basketball fan when I started here... ego pushed me into wanting to learn more, so I started talking with coaches, watched film with some local coaches until I made it a regular thing...

But I do enjoy being observant and drawing good conclusions that most people miss...

I dont think these are lesser fans... I think they are just casual NBA fans, who love their team and put the homer glasses on when they look at their team... do I think their basketball knowledge suffers as a result? Absolutely... so I'll go to the extreme to drive a point home or to counter someone else's extremes...

There are lots of basketball fans that disagree with what I say... but I guess I'm not calling them casual fans because they don't act like it? That's an argument of convenience you are giving me right now :D
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Post#242 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:35 pm

Well . . . we have to agree to disagree on the casual fan thing. I take it as throwaway line (and between you an me, I think it dillutes and diminishes the parts of your message with merrit . . . but I understand you don't care.)

Back on the topic of basketball . . . Nellie just about lost me last night. I've very unhappy with the rotations right now, and I'm furious about how Beans is being underutilized.

So I'm thinking about what would I want to see to consider this season successful, and believe in Nellie for another season:

The big thing: winning cures all. We get the playoff spot in an incrediblly tough west, with this very limited roster (depth wise) and win in the 1st round and I'd have a hard time complaining about the coaching job. Last night was a tough matchup against a team playing fantastic ball at home. Fine, write off the loss, and try some stuff out . . . but we can't do that more than a couple of times and stay in the playoff hunt.

Webb has to be fit in better. He's an obstacle to the pick and roll, and compromises our quirky defensive philosophy. Nellie has to come up with a better way to fit him in than pounding a square peg into a round hole. His bulk, passing and 15 footer can help, but Webber being a success here will come down to more than the other guys moving better around him. We need systemic changes for it to work, that means more/better coaching.

Wright has to play. Assuming Pete isn't deal today, the bench has to be lengthened by more effective use of what we've got (and benching starters doesn't count.) Right now, Barnes is our whole bench - as far as some degree of consitency and positive contribution. Pete is AWOL, Bukie has been neutered, Cro is comming back from injury, CJ is a nothing, but there sits Wright, lenght, talent, energy and good court sense . . . just languishing in the phantom zone.

At this point, I feel like Nellie's handling has made our bench worse than it was at the start of the season. I feel like we're 6 deep now, with Webb as a possible 7th if handled better. Bukie should not have gotten worse as the season progressed, and Pete should have been fit in, or dealt if he's become obstinate.

This next 2 weeks will probably end up being the whole ball of wax unless someone else stumbles badly. I think there's a lot less room for error than those who have yet to find fault with Nellie's stewardship contend. A couple of posters keep saying to lay off the HOF coach until there's a real failure to complain about. I'm not cheering for failure so that I can be right, and I'd rather Nellie prove me totally wrong and make everything he's trying work perfectly, but the clock is SOOO ticking right now.
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Post#243 » by warriortone » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:40 pm

Right on, Sleepy. I am starting to wonder if it might be better for us to not make the playoffs this year. It essentially guarnatees Nellie leaves, we get a higher pick in what should be a good draft and we don't sell the farm to make the playoffs. I hope we are prudent and don't blow it. We're not contenders and I hope the front office hasn't deluded themselves into thinking we are one move away from that status. I don't see this Baron led nucleus together for much longer.
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Post#244 » by GswStorm3 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:44 pm

djdamon wrote:Utah just pushes us around, they kill us. :roll:


Not only that their depth is just too much for us. Matt Harpring and Paul Millsap always hurt us off the bench.
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Post#245 » by turk3d » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:53 pm

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Not only that their depth is just too much for us. Matt Harpring and Paul Millsap always hurt us off the bench.

Milsap only shot 3-10, perhaps the worst game he's had against us in his career and wasn't really a factor. It was Harpring and Korver off the bench who did the most damage. Boozer only had 16 pts. This was in part due to CWebb. Even though he had trouble with Boozer early on (he couldn't keep up with him speed wise) he was able to keep him from dominating us inside and on the boards the way he is accustomed to. I saw some definite frustration on his part.

The biggrst problem we had was with Deron which was a large part due to Baron's limited minutes. Kirlenko shot 8-9 which I think must be attributed to Jack's physical problems. That and Nellie's misuse of Croshere and Beans. Harrigngton, Beans and Webber should have gotten the majority of Croshere's minutes. Harrington (who was our high scorer) only played 28 minutes. You tell me.
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Post#246 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:55 pm

warriortone wrote:Right on, Sleepy. I am starting to wonder if it might be better for us to not make the playoffs this year. It essentially guarnatees Nellie leaves, we get a higher pick in what should be a good draft and we don't sell the farm to make the playoffs. I hope we are prudent and don't blow it. We're not contenders and I hope the front office hasn't deluded themselves into thinking we are one move away from that status. I don't see this Baron led nucleus together for much longer.


Screw that. I want to win as much as we can every year. You can be good and still get lucky in the draft or make the right trades with your draft picks.

This is a good team (the core.) Our top 5 are one of the best in the league, even if we don't have a banger. The results are there. The problem is, we're in this salary cap holding patter and have filled out the remaining 7 roster spots on the cheap - bare minimum 1 year deals. No other good team is put together like that.
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Post#247 » by warriortone » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:59 pm

What good is out top five if the coach goes off on a tangent and they rarely see the floor together? Don't get me wrong, I want us to win too, but I want them to make smart moves for the future. We are not that far from being a bad team either. There is no reason a guy who gets 26 rebounds in one game isn't playing more against a team like Utah that was killing us on second chances.
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Post#248 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:02 pm

warriortone wrote:What good is out top five if the coach goes off on a tangent and they rarely see the floor together? Don't get me wrong, I want us to win too, but I want them to make smart moves for the future. We are not that far from being a bad team either. There is no reason a guy who gets 26 rebounds in one game isn't playing more against a team like Utah that was killing us on second chances.


Tank for the 12th pick? Count me out.

Stop screwing with the lineups and win the damn games 1 at a time.
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Post#249 » by turk3d » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:04 pm

warriortone wrote:What good is out top five if the coach goes off on a tangent and they rarely see the floor together? Don't get me wrong, I want us to win too, but I want them to make smart moves for the future. We are not that far from being a bad team either. There is no reason a guy who gets 26 rebounds in one game isn't playing more against a team like Utah that was killing us on second chances.


Ding! :clap:

I cannot understand why some people on this board do not recognize that fact. :banghead:
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Post#250 » by BooRadley » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:04 pm

Is Nellie's contract guaranteed for next year? What did Cohan end up giving him?
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Post#251 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:07 pm

BooRadley wrote:Is Nellie's contract guaranteed for next year? What did Cohan end up giving him?


IIRC, team option on the bench, consulting gig upstairs guarnteed.
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Post#252 » by warriortone » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:09 pm

Sleepy. I'm not saying tank. I'm just saying be realistic about what things are going to make us successful long term. For the record, I think we can win now and in the future, but not with the way the roster is being utilized.
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Post#253 » by BooRadley » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:11 pm

Send the old man upstairs then. Hopefully he comes back asking for more money this summer because we won 50 games and it just pisses Cohan off.
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Post#254 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:11 pm

Ok,
I just tend to think of trying to win and not trying to win as mutually exclusive.

I want to make the playoffs. There's nothing worth losing for at this point.
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Post#255 » by GswStorm3 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:12 pm

Sleepy51 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



IIRC, team option on the bench, consulting gig upstairs guarnteed.


Forgot all about the team option.
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Post#256 » by Sleepy51 » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:14 pm

BooRadley wrote:Send the old man upstairs then. Hopefully he comes back asking for more money this summer because we won 50 games and it just pisses Cohan off.


If we win 50 games, we're going to make the playoffs. We'll be the 7 seed most likely. Everyone else isn't going to win all their games the rest of the way.

If we make the playoffs and win a series again, it's pretty hard to envision Nellie not having gotten a few things right along the way. IF that happens, I hope he and everyone else asks for more money so Cohan finally sells the damn team.
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Post#257 » by BooRadley » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:19 pm

Did you guys see the professional soccer team managed by 28,000 online fans? That could be us. Polls for every trade, FA signing, and coaching hire.
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Post#258 » by warriortone » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:22 pm

All I said was that it might not be the worst thing to not make the playoffs this year. I didn't say we should actively try not to make the postseason. I think we can win 50 games and still not be invited to the party.
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Post#259 » by Souvlaki » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:05 pm

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Oh noes! Does this mean I can't sit by you at lunch anymore?

I have a pro-Warriors agenda... guilty... I really dont give 2 craps about anyone on the board... sorry if its lame or I offend people, but I dont go out firing the 1st shots here... call them like I see them, and people hate when I'm correct :banghead:


I hate to put you on ignore because once in a blue moon you say something insightful, but your act is getting old. Are you 13? Give it a rest already.
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Post#260 » by Souvlaki » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:10 pm

The Warriors starters mailed it in again. Just a tiny bit of defensive effort would be nice. I guess they wanted the rest to have a shot at Boston tonight. Bench played the the Utah starters better than our starters. Sad sad sad.

Oh well. Didn't expect to win this one anyway. Almost everyone gets beat in Utah these days.

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