Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[vvoland]

She apparently mis-represented her age (and was in a club for 21+), so it does not appear he knew she was 15. Unless you are suggesting he demand to check her ID, which while being legally sound, is not something anyone would realistically do in a social situation. On the other hand, Giddey was in the same club apparently at 19. Nonetheless, you might have a reasonable expectation that meeting someone in a 21+ club would in fact be 21+ (if the club screeners were doing their job) or at least close to 21 (if they were not). When we were in college we snuck into bars underage, but we and everyone else we knew there, boys and girls, were like 18-20, not 15. I certainly wouldn't have expected to find a 15 year old there. And we don't know who this girl is, but some people just look, and comport themselves as, a lot older than their true age when they're young.

We don't have all the facts, but a lot of fault here lays with the parents (what the hell is your 15 year old daughter who presumably lives at home doing at a club?), the club screeners (obviously not doing their job or letting it slide), and the girl herself, who witnesses say mis-represented her age. And Giddey if he knew of course, but there's no evidence he did.

My response was to Onus's weird defense of a 19yo and 15yo having a relationship because, in theory, one could be a senior and the other a sophomore at the same high school.

The fact that giddey was underage in a 21+ club should have given him some doubts as to the age of the girl he was talking to. I don't remember her looking particularly older, tbh, but that's not particularly relevant. We're not looking to trade for her, her parents, or the club doorman. It's giddey that's being discussed in a trade and his decision making should factor in. as should his, alleged, pedophilia.

This is some fake outrage right here. At 15 this girl was anything but "pre-pubertal".

Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia

It's actually shameful that you would accuse Giddey of being a pedophile but it's par for the course for this country to rage bait.

You really want to split hairs on this? F'''king minors is the commonly accepted definition of pedophilia - the song of the year is premised on that fact. If you want to bring in pre-pubescent into it, you're really dry snitching.

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

[EvanZ]

My response was to Onus's weird defense of a 19yo and 15yo having a relationship because, in theory, one could be a senior and the other a sophomore at the same high school.

The fact that giddey was underage in a 21+ club should have given him some doubts as to the age of the girl he was talking to. I don't remember her looking particularly older, tbh, but that's not particularly relevant. We're not looking to trade for her, her parents, or the club doorman. It's giddey that's being discussed in a trade and his decision making should factor in. as should his, alleged, pedophilia.

This is some fake outrage right here. At 15 this girl was anything but "pre-pubertal".

Pedophilia is an ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia

It's actually shameful that you would accuse Giddey of being a pedophile but it's par for the course for this country to rage bait.

You really want to split hairs on this? F'''king minors is the commonly accepted definition of pedophilia - the song of the year is premised on that fact. If you want to bring in pre-pubescent into it, you're really dry snitching.

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

FAKE OUTRAGE

Giddey would kick yuor ass buddy.

[vvoland]

Moody and Podz both rebound and hustle which can help make up for their lack of size. We literally just saw the thunder win a title without having a wing sized player on the entire team.

The only reason people don't like 3 guard lineups is because they don't defend, but Steph/Melton/Podz/Moody/GP2/Brogdon would all be + defenders. We're not running out a curry/CP3/Klay lineup where CP3 and Klay would both get picked on.

If you think Podz and Brogdon are + defenders, I can understand your lack of concern. I don't think either are above average defenders, but that's not a debate I'm particularly interested in. Let's just agree to disagree. Melton is recovering from a torn knee and I wouldn't count on him for a lot. GP2's defense was a real disappointment last year, I don't expect it to be better now. Moody is a solid defender but I don't like him matching up against big forwards. He's a good defender on guards and, atm, probably our best POA. Steph can be a + defender but I don't want him exerting that much energy on that end before the playoffs. So yes, in one sense, we have good guard defenders that are better than cp3/klay were. I don't think that means we should go into the season with moody and gui as our backup forwards.

IF Dray, Jimmy, Steph, or Horford are out for any significant period of time, we will really regret not bringing back JK, if that's what happens. It may be the difference between hanging on to a 6 seed or dropping into the play-in.

Edit: if our guards looked like OKC's guards, I would be much more comfortable. OKC has Jdub, Caruso, Dort, Wallace, and Shai as their guards. Wiggins, Kenrich, Jwill, Dieng, and Sorber as F/Cs. We have nothing like that

JK will be back, it just depends on what we get back for him when we try to trade him at the deadline.

Our backup 4 is either jb or dray.

I hope so, for most of the reasons I mentioned.

JB and Dray are our starting forwards and aren't backing up s#!t. Especially when they're resting/injured which, at best, is 35 games next season.

[Onus]

If you think Podz and Brogdon are + defenders, I can understand your lack of concern. I don't think either are above average defenders, but that's not a debate I'm particularly interested in. Let's just agree to disagree. Melton is recovering from a torn knee and I wouldn't count on him for a lot. GP2's defense was a real disappointment last year, I don't expect it to be better now. Moody is a solid defender but I don't like him matching up against big forwards. He's a good defender on guards and, atm, probably our best POA. Steph can be a + defender but I don't want him exerting that much energy on that end before the playoffs. So yes, in one sense, we have good guard defenders that are better than cp3/klay were. I don't think that means we should go into the season with moody and gui as our backup forwards.

IF Dray, Jimmy, Steph, or Horford are out for any significant period of time, we will really regret not bringing back JK, if that's what happens. It may be the difference between hanging on to a 6 seed or dropping into the play-in.

Edit: if our guards looked like OKC's guards, I would be much more comfortable. OKC has Jdub, Caruso, Dort, Wallace, and Shai as their guards. Wiggins, Kenrich, Jwill, Dieng, and Sorber as F/Cs. We have nothing like that

JK will be back, it just depends on what we get back for him when we try to trade him at the deadline.

Our backup 4 is either jb or dray.

I hope so, for most of the reasons I mentioned.

JB and Dray are our starting forwards and aren't backing up s#!t. Especially when they're resting/injured which, at best, is 35 games next season.

When 1 sits the other will start at the 4 and Moody will be the starting 3. JB and Dray are interchangeable at the 4 and can back up one another at that position. So yes they will be backing up each other.

[Old_Blue]

Thanks for posting this, this does lay it out pretty clearly.

Am i reading that correctly, it's only a misdemeanor if the 'agent' (the person committing the rape, right?) is the guardian of the minor? What in the incest is that?

In my personal opinion, the most disturbing problems existent in U.S. federal and state criminal codes relate to the charging and sentencing guidelines pertaining to sex crimes. There is no excuse for what should be a felony instead being treated as a misdemeanor. Nor, are sentences of 4 or 8 years appropriate for crimes that are life altering for the victim. Yet another area where voters can and should demand that their elected representatives do a better job.

[Twinkie defense]

Wow. There have been some truly disgusting views and stupid opinions aired here on this matter.

Just curious, do you think it's extremely rare for a high school junior to date a 20-year old or maybe 21 year old?

[EvanZ]

The crazy thing about the statutory rape code is that it's perfectly legal as long as they are your spouse. LMAO

In sum, to be guilty of Statutory Rape under CPC §261.5, the prosecution must prove that:

You had sex with someone; AND,
The other person was not your spouse; AND,
The other person was younger than eighteen.

So it's fine to marry someone under 18, but you can't have sex with them until they turn 18!!! LMAO I guess that law was written over a hundred years ago.

[vvoland]

This is some fake outrage right here. At 15 this girl was anything but "pre-pubertal".



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/pedophilia

It's actually shameful that you would accuse Giddey of being a pedophile but it's par for the course for this country to rage bait.

You really want to split hairs on this? F'''king minors is the commonly accepted definition of pedophilia - the song of the year is premised on that fact. If you want to bring in pre-pubescent into it, you're really dry snitching.

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

FAKE OUTRAGE

Giddey would kick yuor ass buddy.

He almost certainly would, which is why I wouldn't try to fight him. I'm guessing you have no kids if you think this is all 'fake outrage.' I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

[EvanZ]

Wow. There have been some truly disgusting views and stupid opinions aired here on this matter.

Just curious, do you think it's extremely rare for a high school junior to date a 20-year old or maybe 21 year old?

It's like I said, it's just fake outrage. We've all been 19 year old guys. The idea that literally every one of us were pedophiles at some point is hilarious. We were all attracted to at least one 15 year old at that age. Whether we had sex with that person or not, wouldn't matter as to the definition of pedophile being thrown about here. Just the mere attraction would make all of us pedophiles.

[EvanZ]

You really want to split hairs on this? F'''king minors is the commonly accepted definition of pedophilia - the song of the year is premised on that fact. If you want to bring in pre-pubescent into it, you're really dry snitching.

If you think this is fake outrage, I assume you don't have daughters or sisters. Again, if this girl was my daughter, Giddey wouldn't have a bball career and not because of any legal trouble. At least, as long as guns are as readily available in this country as they currently are. Yes, I'm saying I'd shoot the piece of s#!t.

FAKE OUTRAGE

Giddey would kick yuor ass buddy.

He almost certainly would, which is why I wouldn't try to fight him. I'm guessing you have no kids if you think this is all 'fake outrage.' I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

The fact that you have daughters is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you are lying about your own self. You are pretending as if you have never found anyone under 18 sexually attractive.

THAT IS A LIE. YOU ARE LYING. YOU ARE A LIAR.

It's fake outrage.

[Old_Blue]

Wow. There have been some truly disgusting views and stupid opinions aired here on this matter.

Just curious, do you think it's extremely rare for a high school junior to date a 20-year old or maybe 21 year old?

It's like I said, it's just fake outrage. We've all been 19 year old guys. The idea that literally every one of us were pedophiles at some point is hilarious. We were all attracted to at least one 15 year old at that age. Whether we had sex with that person or not, wouldn't matter as to the definition of pedophile being thrown about here. Just the mere attraction would make all of us pedophiles.

Don't try to normalize whatever behavior you've been up to in your past. The "we all did X" argument doesn't fly factually, legally, intellectually or morally.

[EvanZ]

Just curious, do you think it's extremely rare for a high school junior to date a 20-year old or maybe 21 year old?

It's like I said, it's just fake outrage. We've all been 19 year old guys. The idea that literally every one of us were pedophiles at some point is hilarious. We were all attracted to at least one 15 year old at that age. Whether we had sex with that person or not, wouldn't matter as to the definition of pedophile being thrown about here. Just the mere attraction would make all of us pedophiles.

Don't try to normalize whatever behavior you've been up to in your past. The "we all did X" argument doesn't fly factually, legally, intellectually or morally.

Oh I see you are also in the liar's club.

[Twinkie defense]

I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

If your teenage daughters think you might commit acts of violence against the persons they are dating unfortunately you're gonna make them sneak around and hide what they're doing. Something to think about.

[EvanZ]

BTW anyone curious why Kyle Filipowski's girlfriend was never arrested for statutory rape? Maybe vvoland and Old Blue can go hunt her down and shoot her.

[vvoland]

FAKE OUTRAGE

Giddey would kick yuor ass buddy.

He almost certainly would, which is why I wouldn't try to fight him. I'm guessing you have no kids if you think this is all 'fake outrage.' I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

The fact that you have daughters is irrelevant. What is relevant is that you are lying about your own self. You are pretending as if you have never found anyone under 18 sexually attractive.

THAT IS A LIE. YOU ARE LYING. YOU ARE A LIAR.

It's fake outrage.

You're really dry snitching and then doubling down.

Have I found 15 year olds attractive when i was a teenager? Sure. Did I find hs freshmen attractive when I was a senior? No, I did not. Does that mean, as a 19 year old, there was no 15 yo that would have looked attractive to me? Of course, not. But, and you should pay particularly close attention to this next part, neither I nor any of my friends F"""ked any 15 year olds when we were 19 or older. It's not the "finding attractive" that makes Giddey a POS and someone I would shoot if that was my daughter. It was the sexual acts, also known as RAPE, that makes him a pedophie, regardless of what merian-webster tells you. This is such a weird hill for you to try and defend. Yes, we were all 19 once. The vast majority of us didn't f'k 15 year olds when we were that age. If you did, seek help.

[vvoland]

BTW anyone curious why Kyle Filipowski's girlfriend was never arrested for statutory rape? Maybe vvoland and Old Blue can go hunt her down and shoot her.

I have no interest in vigilante justice for people that aren't my family. That said, I feel sorry for Kyle and have no idea how that woman is a. not in jail or b. not a pariah. But mormonism is a bit weird, to my taste, at least. That would impact the pariah stuff but not the jail stuff. Again, weird example as that woman is just as big a POS as giddey, even more so, really.

[vvoland]

I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

If your teenage daughters think you might commit acts of violence against the persons they are dating unfortunately you're gonna make them sneak around and hide what they're doing. Something to think about.

She wasn't 'dating' him, she was raped. The fact that some people on this board think a 15 year CAN consent, does not make it true.

[Old_Blue]

If one good thing came out of this discussion it's that - should EvanZ every randomly disappear from this forum - we'll all have a pretty good idea what happened to him.

[vvoland]

Thanks for posting this, this does lay it out pretty clearly.

Am i reading that correctly, it's only a misdemeanor if the 'agent' (the person committing the rape, right?) is the guardian of the minor? What in the incest is that?

In my personal opinion, the most disturbing problems existent in U.S. federal and state criminal codes relate to the charging and sentencing guidelines pertaining to sex crimes. There is no excuse for what should be a felony instead being treated as a misdemeanor. Nor, are sentences of 4 or 8 years appropriate for crimes that are life altering for the victim. Yet another area where voters can and should demand that their elected representatives do a better job.

It should be a worse crime if you were raped by a guardian not a lesser one. WTF

[Old_Blue]

I have daughters and feel a certain type of way about this.

If your teenage daughters think you might commit acts of violence against the persons they are dating unfortunately you're gonna make them sneak around and hide what they're doing. Something to think about.

She wasn't 'dating' him, she was raped. The fact that some people on this board think a 15 year CAN consent, does not make it true.

Whether or not they were dating isn't actually the issue. As long as the age requirements are met, it is statutorily deemed to be rape - even if the minor gives consent.