Giannis

[ILOVEIT]

I'd hate to part with any of the core.

BUT...what Giannis does is replace Green's energy...fire. Anyone else...AD for example...doesn't do that.

Not sure I see the Bucks wanting Draymond but I could see a three team deal. Man...Draymond would be PERFECT for 76ers, Heat.

[wco81]

I think those teams are mentioned because they can have cap space when Giannis hits free agency.

So Bucks may be forced to trade rather than not get anything back.

[The Maestro]

I think those teams are mentioned because they can have cap space when Giannis hits free agency.

So Bucks may be forced to trade rather than not get anything back.

Exactly. Giannis can use them as leverage if he decides to force his way out.

[wco81]

I noticed he doesn't have a post up game.

He needs to work on that. Learn to shoot off one foot for easy fadeaways like Dirk and KD did on those 10 foot turnarounds.

Of course with footwork and over/under moves, he could probably gather for dunks too if the defender tries to overplay a fadeaway attempt.

[Onus]

I noticed he doesn't have a post up game.

He needs to work on that. Learn to shoot off one foot for easy fadeaways like Dirk and KD did on those 10 foot turnarounds.

Of course with footwork and over/under moves, he could probably gather for dunks too if the defender tries to overplay a fadeaway attempt.

He needs to work from closer in than 3 pt land. Whether that’s from the ft line like dirk or from the mid post like kawhi mj Kobe.

[jason bourne]

I'm not sure if Ws can make the best offer. I dunno. Riley has already said any two of the Heat players. Another guy on the GB offered Ayton + Oubre + #10. Heck, I'd deal for Ayton + Oubre + #10 for the Warriors .

[FaTaL]

His end in Milwaukee is getting closer and closer

[Little Digger]

All Giannis’s offensive game is missing is shooting and ability to post up

[wco81]

Coaching staff should be working with him to develop post up game.

Bud is from the Spurs system, so you'd think they'd try to help him with some Duncan moves.

[Commodor]

Trying to think of possible Giannis trades. It’s going to be easiest to move Draymond unfortunately, rather than Wiggins. Of course would be dependent on Giannis demanding out, which would also mean MIL completely tears it down.

Here’s my try:
Trade 1:
GSW Out: Green, Looney, Poole, Pascall, #2, Min 21, unprotected 2022. Plus 21, and next available pick swap.

GSW in: Giannis

Denver Out: MPJ, Garry Harris, 2021 top3 protected FRP.
Denver In: Green, Middleton

MIL out: Giannis, Middleton
MIL in: MPJ, Harris, Looney, Pascall, Poole. 6x FRP.

Trade 2:
GSW out: TPE & 2x 2nds
MIL out: Brook Lopez or Eric Bledsoe. Whoever they want off their books really, but let’s say Lopez since his more expensive for now.

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Giannis
Lopez

GSW tax bill explodes but they get Giannis.

Murray
Barton
Middleton
Green
Jokic

Denver goes all in on competing. Green and Middleton provide defense and vet leadership around the young guns.

MILs lineup would probably change more from there, but they clear a lot of money while picking up some premium assets.

[GQ Hot Dog]

All Giannis’s offensive game is missing is shooting and ability to post up

It's somewhat bizarre but Giannis' game is like Harden's without a dangerous 3pt game. Penetrate for layups/fouls or kickout to open 3pt shooters. No midrange game, if he can't get to the bucket he can't reliably score.

Is this Bud's fault or did it predate Bud? I don't understand how so many of the NBA's "elite" coaches have neutered their players' skill sets by putting this 3 obsessive scheme in. D'Antoni, Bud, even Carlisle talked about how he wants Porzingis to shoot mostly 3s.

I'm so thankful we have Kerr who realizes that a scheme capable of generating open looks from anywhere on the court is superior.

Homogeneity breeds in rigidity and weakness. Variety and complexity allows for flexibility and the ability to make changes on the fly under pressure.

[Mylie10]

I think those teams are mentioned because they can have cap space when Giannis hits free agency.

So Bucks may be forced to trade rather than not get anything back.

Exactly. Giannis can use them as leverage if he decides to force his way out.

For us to even have a smidge of a chance this is the case. And it’s also my reasoning for why we wouldn’t have to involve Klay.

The real question would be Wiggins or Draymond for them. If they still want to be considered a playoff team then you go Draymond. If you go full rebuild you go Wiggins and probably also do a separate deal with Middleton.

[Mylie10]

Coaching staff should be working with him to develop post up game.

Bud is from the Spurs system, so you'd think they'd try to help him with some Duncan moves.

Actually I have seen Giannis do plenty of nice work in the post over the last few years. And he has been working on his jump shooting. Their just not going in. I think he needs to put a bit more arc on the ball but whatever.

His post work is fine, but anybody working in the post will struggle with double or triple teams. It’s up to the other Bucks to hit those shots when the wall is built.

One thing I didn’t understand last night was taking Giannis out in the 4th. If you ask him if he’s ok and he says yes, then you have to use him. I understand protecting and injured guy, we should know with the KD situation we had in the Finals. But you have to ride him out.

The other thing I didn’t understand was that they stopped having him drive the middle. That’s where he’s most dangerous at this point in his game and they just kept hoisting contested long jump shots. The few times they got Giannis going down hill, they had positive results overall. They just took to many long shots, forgot to have their best guy attacking the rim, and protecting him to much.

Now you’re down 0-3.....yikes Bud

[TinoDubs]

Trying to think of possible Giannis trades. It’s going to be easiest to move Draymond unfortunately, rather than Wiggins. Of course would be dependent on Giannis demanding out, which would also mean MIL completely tears it down.

Here’s my try:
Trade 1:
GSW Out: Green, Looney, Poole, Pascall, #2, Min 21, unprotected 2022. Plus 21, and next available pick swap.

GSW in: Giannis

Denver Out: MPJ, Garry Harris, 2021 top3 protected FRP.
Denver In: Green, Middleton

MIL out: Giannis, Middleton
MIL in: MPJ, Harris, Looney, Pascall, Poole. 6x FRP.

Trade 2:
GSW out: TPE & 2x 2nds
MIL out: Brook Lopez or Eric Bledsoe. Whoever they want off their books really, but let’s say Lopez since his more expensive for now.

Curry
Klay
Wiggins
Giannis
Lopez

GSW tax bill explodes but they get Giannis.

Murray
Barton
Middleton
Green
Jokic

Denver goes all in on competing. Green and Middleton provide defense and vet leadership around the young guns.

MILs lineup would probably change more from there, but they clear a lot of money while picking up some premium assets.

MIL gains some premium assets ... like who? lol...bunch of draft picks?

[Mav_Carter]

Imagine what Pat Riley could do with Giannis...first thing he'd do is make him get down to 220...

[wco81]

I don't see the Bucks getting better. They need half court scoring. Do they run more post ups for Lopez then?

They had some of the best net rating during the regular season. Big net rating last season too.

But in the playoffs, you're not going to be able to have the same net rating because you're not playing so many non playoffs teams.

Plus the intensity level goes up for every opponent.

Once Giannis signs a super max extension, they got no room for any other star player. This is going to be their team if Giannis stays.

Only hope is other EC contenders get injured or they reach the Finals and the opponent suffers catastrophic injuries to two of their top 3 players.

Not going to get Raptors luck all the time.

[Phase 3]

Giannis inability to shoot is a problem. It doesn’t negate the fact that he’s pretty much elite at everything else...but it does change the way a team with championship aspirations can use him in the playoffs when defenses tighten up. The playoffs are all about defense and elite shot makers.

Having said that, I’m obviously down for Giannis if they can get him while keeping the core 3...Curry/Klay/Giannis/Draymond/3&D guy...that lineup is legit. He wouldn’t have to be the go-to-guy on offense with Curry on the floor. He would also benefit tremendously from the spacing that the splash bros create.

I’m also cool with standing pat at #2 in this draft and taking Wiseman. Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond/Wiseman...that lineup is also pretty legit.

I’m good with either of these scenarios.

[Little Digger]

Giannis is not staying in Milwaukee..Nobody stays volunteerly

I’d rank his possible landing spots like this

1. Dallas
2. San Francisco
3.Toronto
4. Miami

[Warriors Analyst]

Wiggins + 3 FRPs

That's probably the minimum, yes. With 2 of those being our 2020 and 2021 FRPs. Plus they'll probably ask for Klay first, which I don't think would happen but it sets the middle ground more to their side.

Ws select LaMelo for the Bucks. Saves them from having to get CP3. Now, they got:
PG - LaMelo
SG - Middleton
SF - Wiggins
PF - Marvin
C - Brolo

If you're trading Giannis, you rebuild the entire roster, you don't keep Lopez or williams or Middelton.


IF

[Commodor]

I'd hate to part with any of the core.

BUT...what Giannis does is replace Green's energy...fire. Anyone else...AD for example...doesn't do that.

Not sure I see the Bucks wanting Draymond but I could see a three team deal. Man...Draymond would be PERFECT for 76ers, Heat.

I see Portland, Houston or Denver being front runners if Green was available. He’s literally what they need