Game 12: Warriors vs Bulls

[Scoots1994]

That Wiseman statistic

Yeah, it was bad ... that said it does bug me that people still seem to be assuming it will be no different this year.

[GQ Hot Dog]

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The very definition of addition by subtraction.

That Wiseman statistic

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

[oaktownwarriors87]

That Wiseman statistic

Yeah, it was bad ... that said it does bug me that people still seem to be assuming it will be no different this year.

I think that's up to Kerr. Like I pointed out earlier, Wiseman's and Oubre lead the starting lineup in usage percentage in the 1st quarter. Kerr was force feeding them for the sake of "development" instead of trying to win games.

If Kerr uses Wiseman correctly there is no reason he can't have a positive impact.... but trying to make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option is the stupidest **** decision in the world, and his +/- numbers reflect that.

If Phil Jackson had forcefed Andrew Bynum and Devan George over Kobe and Lamar I'm sure their numbers would have been just as bad.... And it would be Phil Jacksons fault.

[GQ Hot Dog]

only a 40 burger for steph, not good not good, he needs to wake up

Steph been playing at an MVP level again but if Kerr would just quite jerking his minutes around he would be playing at an MVP level times infinity.

[Impuniti]

That Wiseman statistic

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.

Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

[a8bil]

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.

Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

The problem with last year was the lack of a pre-season and no real way to evaluate either KO or Wiseman. Add to that KO's terrible start to the season, and I think Kerr was just trying to figure out what he could expect from either of them. With the team paying KO and the tax at a rate, what 3x of Dray's salary (?), I'm guessing there was pressure to use him. Sending him to the bench right away would have been an indictment of his signing.

[oaktownwarriors87]

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.



Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

The problem with last year was the lack of a pre-season and no real way to evaluate either KO or Wiseman. Add to that KO's terrible start to the season, and I think Kerr was just trying to figure out what he could expect from either of them. With the team paying KO and the tax at a rate, what 3x of Dray's salary (?), I'm guessing there was pressure to use him. Sending him to the bench right away would have been an indictment of his signing.

That sounds like a lot of bad excuses.

You don't make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option because you didn't have preseason. That's idiotic (not you, the decision). You bench him and let him work his way in.

We literally had the best player in the world, in his prime, with his #1 sidekick and the coaching staff went "nah, we'll go with Kelly Oubre and that teenager"

[a8bil]

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.



Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

The problem with last year was the lack of a pre-season and no real way to evaluate either KO or Wiseman. Add to that KO's terrible start to the season, and I think Kerr was just trying to figure out what he could expect from either of them. With the team paying KO and the tax at a rate, what 3x of Dray's salary (?), I'm guessing there was pressure to use him. Sending him to the bench right away would have been an indictment of his signing.

That sounds like a lot of bad excuses.

You don't make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option because you didn't have preseason. That's idiotic (not you, the decision). You bench him and let him work his way in.

We literally had the best player in the world, in his prime, with his #1 sidekick and the coaching staff went "nah, we'll go with Kelly Oubre and that teenager?"

I think the KO decision (if I'm right) is a bit more defensible than JW. Kerr recently said on 95.7 that they gave JW free reign because they really didn't know what he could or could not do. I think it was pretty clear early on what he could not do at a competitive level, so I agree that the JW experiment lasted way too long.

[GQ Hot Dog]

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.

Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

No he didn't.

From day 1 the Wiseman situation was spelled out to us. Kerr openly stated that after consultations with the FO and in light of Klay's torn Achilles, Wiseman would be elevated into the starting role and given consistent minutes no matter how he played as they attempt to develop him as rapidly as possible.

Oubre was traded for to be our starter and Kerr was going to play him as our starter really for the same reason. If Kelly was going to make the greatest impact in his first season with the team it would be in the context of learning rapidly as a starter, if he was able to do so.

So the plan was agreed upon between Myers and Kerr and spelled out for all of us before the season: With Klay hurt the Warriors chances of competing took a major hit. The FO pivoted and traded for Oubre. Knowing the only way we could compete would be to develop Wiseman and Oubre into championship pieces they were force fed minutes. There weren't many options and the option they took was a calculated risk but had the highest projected ceiling.

After Wiseman got hurt it became clear they weren't going to reach their plan's ceiling and so Kerr pivoted again, sent Oubre to the bench and starting building his rotation out of less talented but higher IQ players which resulted in us making our playoff push and snagging the 8th best record in the WC. Without better talent, that's really all we were capable of and even if we had won a playin game, it's fair to say we wouldn't have gotten far with only an 8 man rotation.

So I get frustrated when people criticize Kerr or the FO for trying for the highest ceiling team last year. They did that out of respect for Curry and Draymond. They knew after Klay hurt himself that they had few avenues to contention and the path they took was the one that added the most talent without gutting the team and taking a much more drastic(and desperate) approach. I'm glad they took the approach they did because the result is the team we have this season.

All I want to know from all you critics is if you even noticed the play they made last season or did it just fly over your heads?

Edit: I hope you guys don't think it's just a coincidence that Oubre got benched for the first time in his first game back from injury after Wiseman tore his meniscus? Wiseman and Oubre were force fed minutes because making them key pieces to a championship puzzle was the only way we would have the talent to actually compete. I love guys like JTA and Lee but talent actually matters in the NBA and Wiseman and Oubre were the most physically talented guys on the roster. Bringing them along as rapidly as possible was the best path to actually contending.

[Impuniti]

You can't actually believe this dynasty is what it is in spite of Kerr? The way you write about him, the team is always on the verge of going off the rails because Kerr makes every wrong move and it's only due to the players' greatness and Myers giving him just good enough personnel that they're able to push through Kerr's mistakes and eek out a win.

Which is crazy. Kerr's decisions make you angry because he so much smarter than you and knows so much better what leads to winning and you find your own ignorance, that Kerr's success comes in contradiction to what you think should happen, infuriating. And I get that that can be frustrating but you'd be better off just accepting that Kerr is the best coach in basketball and playing 4d chess while you're still pushing checkers around the board in your head.

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.

Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

No he didn't.

From day 1 the Wiseman situation was spelled out to us. Kerr openly stated that after consultations with the FO and in light of Klay's torn Achilles, Wiseman would be elevated into the starting role and given consistent minutes no matter how he played as they attempt to develop him as rapidly as possible.

Oubre was traded for to be our starter and Kerr was going to play him as our starter really for the same reason. If Kelly was going to make the greatest impact in his first season with the team it would be in the context of learning rapidly as a starter, if he was able to do so.

So the plan was agreed upon between Myers and Kerr and spelled out for all of us before the season: With Klay hurt the Warriors chances of competing took a major hit. The FO pivoted and traded for Oubre. Knowing the only way we could compete would be to develop Wiseman and Oubre into championship pieces they were force fed minutes. There weren't many options and the option they took was a calculated risk but had the highest projected ceiling.

After Wiseman got hurt it became clear they weren't going to reach their plan's ceiling and so Kerr pivoted again, sent Oubre to the bench and starting building his rotation out of less talented but higher IQ players which resulted in us making our playoff push and snagging the 8th best record in the WC. Without better talent, that's really all we were capable of and even if we had won a playin game, it's fair to say we wouldn't have gotten far with only an 8 man rotation.

So I get frustrated when people criticize Kerr or the FO for trying for the highest ceiling team last year. They did that out of respect for Curry and Draymond. They knew after Klay hurt himself that they had few avenues to contention and the path they took was the one that added the most talent without gutting the team and taking a much more drastic(and desperate) approach. I'm glad they took the approach they did because the result is the team we have this season.

All I want to know from all you critics is if you even noticed the play they made last season or did it just fly over your heads?

Edit: I hope you guys don't think it's just a coincidence that Oubre got benched for the first time in his first game back from injury after Wiseman tore his meniscus? Wiseman and Oubre were force fed minutes because making them key pieces to a championship puzzle was the only way we would have the talent to actually compete. I love guys like JTA and Lee but talent actually matters in the NBA and Wiseman and Oubre were the most physically talented guys on the roster. Bringing them along as rapidly as possible was the best path to actually contending.

You're objectively wrong. The only way for someone to work successfully in this system, is have lower usg rates than Steph first, and Dray second (otherwise, Draymond is useless offensively). He clearly forced both to play and gave both roles that they didn't know how to handle.

Wiseman was also truly terrible defensively and should have been playing limited minutes below Looney. He was treated like a draft-team where he got to do whatever he wanted and Warriors were not using a system. Curry and Dray trying to make Wiseman work instead of Wiseman working in their system is a moronic move.

That ^ is an actual ceiling, to get Wiseman used to playing in the Steph system. Them passing him the ball and watching chuck or lose possession did **** all. It didn't progress anything outside of having a mediocre team record while he was on the court. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you.

[wco81]

OK off to a GREAT start.

The road trip should test them.

Hope they get their boosters before they leave. Because losing player availability by several players at different times during the season would SUCK because they didn't get boosted.

Boosters are no guarantee, and Wiggins can make it through the end of the season before he can get it.

No but the NBA is pushing it and they push efficacy vs. infection back to the 90% range, from as low as 40% if you're 6 months out from your second shot.

Just saying, losing key players for multiple games because they didn't get boosters would be unfortunate.

They have a good start towards being the #1 seed, which probably most people didn't expect when the season started.

Squandering that chance because of lost games would be unforgivable.

[wco81]

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

I don't know, Warriors wouldn't have Moody if they won more.

Eventually they are going to have to get the young players minutes because they are considered assets for the franchise, at least for now.

[wco81]

That Wiseman statistic

Yeah, it was bad ... that said it does bug me that people still seem to be assuming it will be no different this year.

I think that's up to Kerr. Like I pointed out earlier, Wiseman's and Oubre lead the starting lineup in usage percentage in the 1st quarter. Kerr was force feeding them for the sake of "development" instead of trying to win games.

If Kerr uses Wiseman correctly there is no reason he can't have a positive impact.... but trying to make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option is the stupidest **** decision in the world, and his +/- numbers reflect that.

If Phil Jackson had forcefed Andrew Bynum and Devan George over Kobe and Lamar I'm sure their numbers would have been just as bad.... And it would be Phil Jacksons fault.

Is it completely up to Kerr?

I'm sure the front office made it known that they wanted to see Wiseman. After the disaster of a season they had and the deliberate tank, then the shock of Klay going down right before training camp, they probably wanted to see what they had with JW.

Plus they spent a ton of money on KO, so they were going to try that out as well.

The whole team shot so terribly at the start of last season. These were open shots they bricked.

[xdrta+]

In all fairness, Kerr sucked a fat on last year.

This is the usage percentage of our starting lineup in the 1st quarter last season:

Wiseman 25.1%
Oubre 22.2%
Curry 18.5%
Wiggins 16.2%
Green 14.1%

Kerr's moronic "get the young guys going" and "we're not chasing wins" approach absolutely sunk the team last year. It was the 2nd worst decisions he's ever made, just behind playing DeMarcus Cousins over Andrew Bogut in the NBA Finals.

If Kerr had actually used them correctly, instead of force feeding them, they may have actually had a positive impact.

I honestly don't see how Kerr has a job after making such obviously poor decisions. Honestly, Wiseman and and Oubre? Get the **** out of here.

Luckily Bob Myers has saved us and this team appears to be fool proof as long as he plays Stephen Curry.... Especially in the 4th quarter of a close game. Steve **** Kerr not playing Curry in the 4th **** quarter. Jesus Christ. His decisions make me so angry.

/rant

I don't know, Warriors wouldn't have Moody if they won more.

Eventually they are going to have to get the young players minutes because they are considered assets for the franchise, at least for now.

True. They won just the right amount of games to maximize their draft chances and still have a shot at the playoffs. They had 20 turnovers in their last game is what kept them out of the playoffs. Hardly Kerr's fault.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Criticizing one aspect =/= everything wrong about that particular subject. I have no idea why a few on here get so defensive when something gets pointed out negatively. Either everything is gravy or everything wrong and then defend it.

Kerr is one of the best coaches in the league. He also completely screwed up handling the KO and Wiseman situations.

No he didn't.

From day 1 the Wiseman situation was spelled out to us. Kerr openly stated that after consultations with the FO and in light of Klay's torn Achilles, Wiseman would be elevated into the starting role and given consistent minutes no matter how he played as they attempt to develop him as rapidly as possible.

Oubre was traded for to be our starter and Kerr was going to play him as our starter really for the same reason. If Kelly was going to make the greatest impact in his first season with the team it would be in the context of learning rapidly as a starter, if he was able to do so.

So the plan was agreed upon between Myers and Kerr and spelled out for all of us before the season: With Klay hurt the Warriors chances of competing took a major hit. The FO pivoted and traded for Oubre. Knowing the only way we could compete would be to develop Wiseman and Oubre into championship pieces they were force fed minutes. There weren't many options and the option they took was a calculated risk but had the highest projected ceiling.

After Wiseman got hurt it became clear they weren't going to reach their plan's ceiling and so Kerr pivoted again, sent Oubre to the bench and starting building his rotation out of less talented but higher IQ players which resulted in us making our playoff push and snagging the 8th best record in the WC. Without better talent, that's really all we were capable of and even if we had won a playin game, it's fair to say we wouldn't have gotten far with only an 8 man rotation.

So I get frustrated when people criticize Kerr or the FO for trying for the highest ceiling team last year. They did that out of respect for Curry and Draymond. They knew after Klay hurt himself that they had few avenues to contention and the path they took was the one that added the most talent without gutting the team and taking a much more drastic(and desperate) approach. I'm glad they took the approach they did because the result is the team we have this season.

All I want to know from all you critics is if you even noticed the play they made last season or did it just fly over your heads?

Edit: I hope you guys don't think it's just a coincidence that Oubre got benched for the first time in his first game back from injury after Wiseman tore his meniscus? Wiseman and Oubre were force fed minutes because making them key pieces to a championship puzzle was the only way we would have the talent to actually compete. I love guys like JTA and Lee but talent actually matters in the NBA and Wiseman and Oubre were the most physically talented guys on the roster. Bringing them along as rapidly as possible was the best path to actually contending.

You're objectively wrong. The only way for someone to work successfully in this system, is have lower usg rates than Steph first, and Dray second (otherwise, Draymond is useless offensively). He clearly forced both to play and gave both roles that they didn't know how to handle.

Wiseman was also truly terrible defensively and should have been playing limited minutes below Looney. He was treated like a draft-team where he got to do whatever he wanted and Warriors were not using a system. Curry and Dray trying to make Wiseman work instead of Wiseman working in their system is a moronic move.

That ^ is an actual ceiling, to get Wiseman used to playing in the Steph system. Them passing him the ball and watching chuck or lose possession did **** all. It didn't progress anything outside of having a mediocre team record while he was on the court. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you.

I am objectively right because what I outlined is objectively what happened. Now you and the other whiners can say what Kerr and the FO tried to do with elevating KO and Wiseman was foolhardy and doomed to fail but your hindsight is 20/20 like the rest of us. I'm satisfied with the FO's attempts to hit a homerun in a way that wouldn't jeopardize the team going forward even if it didn't work out. Myers leveraged Lacob's largesse rather than the team's assets and future which was the correct move. Last year's KO and Wiseman experiments were perhaps a desperate attempt to compete but was ultimately done out of respect for Curry and tens of millions of Lacob's money was sacrificed in the effort. Even though it didn't work their heart was in the right place and has my respect.

[ILOVEIT]

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What I love about Kuminga's athleticism is he has quiet feet. What do I mean by that? He rarely if ever gets that first step travel call. He never wastes energy...he has that same "grounded and relaxed" balance that Iggy has.

Kuminga has a great first step and always takes a straight line to finish.

So Warriors are 11-1....and
Kuminga hasn't been playing...
Klay hasn't returned...
Wiseman should help if given 10 minutes and told to focus on rebounds and defense....

Given health, this could be a monster season boys.

[ILOVEIT]

No he didn't.

From day 1 the Wiseman situation was spelled out to us. Kerr openly stated that after consultations with the FO and in light of Klay's torn Achilles, Wiseman would be elevated into the starting role and given consistent minutes no matter how he played as they attempt to develop him as rapidly as possible.

Oubre was traded for to be our starter and Kerr was going to play him as our starter really for the same reason. If Kelly was going to make the greatest impact in his first season with the team it would be in the context of learning rapidly as a starter, if he was able to do so.

So the plan was agreed upon between Myers and Kerr and spelled out for all of us before the season: With Klay hurt the Warriors chances of competing took a major hit. The FO pivoted and traded for Oubre. Knowing the only way we could compete would be to develop Wiseman and Oubre into championship pieces they were force fed minutes. There weren't many options and the option they took was a calculated risk but had the highest projected ceiling.

After Wiseman got hurt it became clear they weren't going to reach their plan's ceiling and so Kerr pivoted again, sent Oubre to the bench and starting building his rotation out of less talented but higher IQ players which resulted in us making our playoff push and snagging the 8th best record in the WC. Without better talent, that's really all we were capable of and even if we had won a playin game, it's fair to say we wouldn't have gotten far with only an 8 man rotation.

So I get frustrated when people criticize Kerr or the FO for trying for the highest ceiling team last year. They did that out of respect for Curry and Draymond. They knew after Klay hurt himself that they had few avenues to contention and the path they took was the one that added the most talent without gutting the team and taking a much more drastic(and desperate) approach. I'm glad they took the approach they did because the result is the team we have this season.

All I want to know from all you critics is if you even noticed the play they made last season or did it just fly over your heads?

Edit: I hope you guys don't think it's just a coincidence that Oubre got benched for the first time in his first game back from injury after Wiseman tore his meniscus? Wiseman and Oubre were force fed minutes because making them key pieces to a championship puzzle was the only way we would have the talent to actually compete. I love guys like JTA and Lee but talent actually matters in the NBA and Wiseman and Oubre were the most physically talented guys on the roster. Bringing them along as rapidly as possible was the best path to actually contending.

You're objectively wrong. The only way for someone to work successfully in this system, is have lower usg rates than Steph first, and Dray second (otherwise, Draymond is useless offensively). He clearly forced both to play and gave both roles that they didn't know how to handle.

Wiseman was also truly terrible defensively and should have been playing limited minutes below Looney. He was treated like a draft-team where he got to do whatever he wanted and Warriors were not using a system. Curry and Dray trying to make Wiseman work instead of Wiseman working in their system is a moronic move.

That ^ is an actual ceiling, to get Wiseman used to playing in the Steph system. Them passing him the ball and watching chuck or lose possession did **** all. It didn't progress anything outside of having a mediocre team record while he was on the court. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you.

I am objectively right because what I outlined is objectively what happened. Now you and the other whiners can say what Kerr and the FO tried to do with elevating KO and Wiseman was foolhardy and doomed to fail but your hindsight is 20/20 like the rest of us. I'm satisfied with the FO's attempts to hit a homerun in a way that wouldn't jeopardize the team going forward even if it didn't work out. Myers leveraged Lacob's largesse rather than the team's assets and future which was the correct move. Last year's KO and Wiseman experiments were perhaps a desperate attempt to compete but was ultimately done out of respect for Curry and tens of millions of Lacob's money was sacrificed in the effort. Even though it didn't work their heart was in the right place and has my respect.

Nah....last year's F up was on Bob Myers adding Wanna Maker and Oubre.

Replace Wannamaker and Oubre with BJ and APJ....Warriors easily make playoffs last year and THEN
we are saying that Wiseman had a great year of development.

Kerr knew the year wouldn't be a chip run and he decided to try and speed up Wiseman's growth.

Like all things Warriors last year...it was Oubre's fault.

[GunnerWRX]

We have made good progress. Remember early on when we only played a good quarter, and then completely sucked in various long stretches of the game, but lucked out a W still?

Now we play a solid game, then turn it up in the 2nd half and show we are the better team on the court.

Next 3 weeks will be interesting with some real tests against the Nets, 76ers, Suns, and the now better Clips.

So happy that we stood pat and did not knee jerk trade for flawed marginal players with all our assets. Didn't go "all in" like many on this board wanted.

Hey, by the trade deadline, depending on how this team w/ Klay looks, I wouldn't mind going for a *real* star that fits, if one were available, but I am happy with how this team is built and so far, so good.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The problem with last year was the lack of a pre-season and no real way to evaluate either KO or Wiseman. Add to that KO's terrible start to the season, and I think Kerr was just trying to figure out what he could expect from either of them. With the team paying KO and the tax at a rate, what 3x of Dray's salary (?), I'm guessing there was pressure to use him. Sending him to the bench right away would have been an indictment of his signing.

That sounds like a lot of bad excuses.

You don't make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option because you didn't have preseason. That's idiotic (not you, the decision). You bench him and let him work his way in.

We literally had the best player in the world, in his prime, with his #1 sidekick and the coaching staff went "nah, we'll go with Kelly Oubre and that teenager?"

I think the KO decision (if I'm right) is a bit more defensible than JW. Kerr recently said on 95.7 that they gave JW free reign because they really didn't know what he could or could not do. I think it was pretty clear early on what he could not do at a competitive level, so I agree that the JW experiment lasted way too long.

If you don't know what he can do, why give him all the shots? He didn't earn anything. He and Oubre just walked in and they laid down the red carpet, and they sucked in the role they were given. Kerr just kept doing the same thing every night and doubling down on their bad decisions. It took Oubre and Wiseman getting injured to shake up things.

This is completely unheard-of in the NBA. The closest to it was the Chicago Bulls love for Toni Kukoc, but it's not like they were force feeding Toni shots.

I have no faith in this teams ability to make adjustments. It feels like it's Stephen Curry surrounded by people with dumb luck. I'm just glad the Andre is back and that the team is deep. Kerr better not **** this up, again.

Joe Lacob excusing it by saying they wouldn't have won the championship anyways is a load of crap. Of course they could have won it. The teams leadership just didn't have the right priorities.

[a8bil]

That sounds like a lot of bad excuses.

You don't make a 19 year old center your #1 scoring option because you didn't have preseason. That's idiotic (not you, the decision). You bench him and let him work his way in.

We literally had the best player in the world, in his prime, with his #1 sidekick and the coaching staff went "nah, we'll go with Kelly Oubre and that teenager?"

I think the KO decision (if I'm right) is a bit more defensible than JW. Kerr recently said on 95.7 that they gave JW free reign because they really didn't know what he could or could not do. I think it was pretty clear early on what he could not do at a competitive level, so I agree that the JW experiment lasted way too long.

If you don't know what he can do, why give him all the shots? He didn't earn anything. He and Oubre just walked in and they laid down the red carpet, and they sucked in the role they were given and they just kept doing the same thing every night and doubling on their bad decisions. It took them getting injured to shaken to things.

This is completely unheard-of in the NBA. The closest to it was the Chicago Bulls love for Toni Kukoc, but it's not like they were force feeding Toni shots.

I have no faith in this teams ability to make adjustments. It feels like it's Stephen Curry surrounded by people with dumb luck. I'm just glad the Andre is back and that the team is deep. Kerr better not **** this up, again.

I think your viewpoint doesn't hold water if you look back at the GSW roster going into last season. It was:

Curry
Dray
Looney
Paschall
Wiggins
Wanamaker
Wiseman
Poole
JTA
Chriss (gone by game 3)
Lee
Bazemore
Mulder

Paschall had limited game and no cred. Wanamaker was a vet who proved to be terrible. JTA had yet to prove he even deserved to be in the league. Poole would be sent down to the G-League to get his shot and head on straight. Lee was a G-league talent playing up. Bazemore was a low IQ journeyman. Mulder was unproven. Are you really going to blame Kerr for playing Oubre and Wiseman given this motley crew? Blame the FO for not gathering more talent, but don't blame Kerr for playing an established NBA player over lightly regarded rookies and g-league talent, or playing Wiseman when 2 games in, it was him or oft-injured Looney.