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Should the Warriors make a trade?

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Should the Warriors make a trade?

Poll ended at Mon Dec 2, 2024 11:11 pm

Yes - a major shakeup (Let's be real, Steph and Dray are untouchable, so) let's define this as a trade involving one or more of the 2nd tier guys, players like Wiggins, Kuminga, Podz, and/or a first round pick or picks.
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Yes - a minor move/moves. Something like De'Anthony Melton's expiring contract and a minor piece or pieces?
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No - this team is very good. Stay pat. Don't want to risk a good thing.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#261 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:04 am

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So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#262 » by wco81 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:32 am

I can't think of too many "big fish" who are looking to leave their current team.

Not people still in their prime, instead it's people like Butler, who wouldn't be a good fit for the Warriors.

The only one who could be plausibly be available are those whose contracts their teams may want to get rid of or those who want more money than they're worth like Ingram.

I am not seeing many difference makers worth giving up future draft assets.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#263 » by xdrta+ » Tue Jan 7, 2025 6:53 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.


No, his salary is $22.5M for matching. The extra $4.5M only counts towards the Apron (hard cap) number. The same way that Looney's $1M unlikely incentive counts towards the Apron, but not towards the Warriors cap total. If they trade Looney, they get an extra $1M room under the hard cap.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#264 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:05 am

xdrta+ wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.


No, his salary is $22.5M for matching. The extra $4.5M only counts towards the Apron (hard cap) number. The same way that Looney's $1M unlikely incentive counts towards the Apron, but not towards the Warriors cap total. If they trade Looney, they get an extra $1M room under the hard cap.


Ok. Thanks. So, we only needed to meet 22.5M salary, but counts as 27M to our cap? Doesn't that mean we go over the hard cap?
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#265 » by xdrta+ » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:15 am

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xdrta+ wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.

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No, his salary is $22.5M for matching. The extra $4.5M only counts towards the Apron (hard cap) number. The same way that Looney's $1M unlikely incentive counts towards the Apron, but not towards the Warriors cap total. If they trade Looney, they get an extra $1M room under the hard cap.


Ok. Thanks. So, we only needed to meet 22.5M salary, but counts as 27M to our cap? Doesn't that mean we go over the hard cap?


Exactly, that's why it's so hard to trade for Johnson. You have to dump the extra salary somewhere, without taking any back, in order to stay under the hard cap.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#266 » by Crazy-Canuck » Tue Jan 7, 2025 7:34 am

xdrta+ wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:
xdrta+ wrote:y
No, his salary is $22.5M for matching. The extra $4.5M only counts towards the Apron (hard cap) number. The same way that Looney's $1M unlikely incentive counts towards the Apron, but not towards the Warriors cap total. If they trade Looney, they get an extra $1M room under the hard cap.


Ok. Thanks. So, we only needed to meet 22.5M salary, but counts as 27M to our cap? Doesn't that mean we go over the hard cap?


Exactly, that's why it's so hard to trade for Johnson. You have to dump the extra salary somewhere, without taking any back, in order to stay under the hard cap.


Thanks for the clarification. You are our cap wiki.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#267 » by SpreeS » Tue Jan 7, 2025 9:49 am

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So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.


Wiggs and multiple picks? Wtf is this? I wouldn’t trade one on one, b/c one plays defence and scores, other only shoots from 3P.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#268 » by Jester_ » Tue Jan 7, 2025 9:44 pm

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So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.


Wiggs and multiple picks? Wtf is this? I wouldn’t trade one on one, b/c one plays defence and scores, other only shoots from 3P.


yeah Johnson is a tweener 3&D without the D i don't know why people want him so badly. he wont' do jack for us
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#269 » by cpower » Tue Jan 7, 2025 10:20 pm

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So, we would need to send out 27M for cam? Nets wanted wiggins and multiple picks for cam, then the Warriors pivoted to schroeder? I'm not sure how the unguaranteed causes work on our hard cap.

we should send out schroeder....its a double win for us....come on how stupid this poster is.. we should send out schroeder for anyone given how badly he has played.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#270 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:27 pm

I don't get the Cam Johnson love. He's not really better than Kuminga and at 28 years old, what you see is what you get - you aren't going to see him turn into a star.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#271 » by cpower » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:35 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:I don't get the Cam Johnson love. He's not really better than Kuminga and at 28 years old, what you see is what you get - you aren't going to see him turn into a star.

come on man..

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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#272 » by RUN-TJM » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:36 pm

Cam Johnson would help with spacing. Giving them Wiggins was rightly rejected by us. I think Cam would be a nice 3rd banana on a good team if Curry was top dog with a capable partner in crime riding shotgun. But we don’t have Curry’s partner in crime….
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#273 » by RUN-TJM » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:38 pm

cpower wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:I don't get the Cam Johnson love. He's not really better than Kuminga and at 28 years old, what you see is what you get - you aren't going to see him turn into a star.

come on man..

Johnson: 20/4/3 on 67%TS, 4.1 BPM, + 3.8 net rating
Kuminga: 17/5/2 on 54%TS, 0.3 BPM, -0.7 net rating

What do those numbers look like over the past 4 weeks? Kuminga started the season pretty erratically. Was pretty settled pre ankle injury.

I didn’t realise how pathetic Johnson is on the boards!!!!
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#274 » by Onus » Tue Jan 7, 2025 11:58 pm

RUN-TJM wrote:
cpower wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:I don't get the Cam Johnson love. He's not really better than Kuminga and at 28 years old, what you see is what you get - you aren't going to see him turn into a star.

come on man..

Johnson: 20/4/3 on 67%TS, 4.1 BPM, + 3.8 net rating
Kuminga: 17/5/2 on 54%TS, 0.3 BPM, -0.7 net rating

What do those numbers look like over the past 4 weeks? Kuminga started the season pretty erratically. Was pretty settled pre ankle injury.

I didn’t realise how pathetic Johnson is on the boards!!!!

Cam J has been playing like a top 50 player this year. That’s who I wanted to trade instead of Schroeder but now it’s most likely can’t happen because of his contract.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#275 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:05 am

Cam Johnson is a better shooter than JK and a better playing style fit for the Warriors, but he's a complimentary piece putting up numbers on a bad team. High floor, low ceiling. And he is NOT worth what Brooklyn is asking for in trade. Hard pass by MJD.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#276 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:07 am

Onus wrote:That’s who I wanted to trade instead of Schroeder but now it’s most likely can’t happen because of his contract.

I don't see how the acquisition of Dennis Schröder has negatively affected the Warrior ability to make a trade.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#277 » by xdrta+ » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:15 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
Onus wrote:That’s who I wanted to trade instead of Schroeder but now it’s most likely can’t happen because of his contract.

I don't see how the acquisition of Dennis Schröder has negatively affected the Warrior ability to make a trade.


True. Johnson's contract hasn't changed, it was always going to be difficult to find a way.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#278 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:25 am

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You wanna trade Kuminga, Moody, GPII and a first for Cam Johnson?
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#279 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:28 am

Twinkie defense wrote:You wanna trade Kuminga, Moody, GPII and a first for Cam Johnson?

According to ESPN Trade Machine this trade would reduce the Warriors' wins by five and the Nets by -10 :lol:

Not every day you see a lose/lose trade! But this would seemingly help Brooklyn's tank job.
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Re: Should the Warriors make a trade? 

Post#280 » by Onus » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:34 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
Onus wrote:That’s who I wanted to trade instead of Schroeder but now it’s most likely can’t happen because of his contract.

I don't see how the acquisition of Dennis Schröder has negatively affected the Warrior ability to make a trade.

It would’ve been easier to trade for cam using meltons contract. I dont think we can trade them back Schroeder.

This is specifically for cam j. Schroeder can be traded to other teams but the nets won’t take him back.
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