2020 Draft Thread

[cdubbz]

my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Tre Jones? Interesting

[freypies]

Does anyone know why Avidja is always so high on the draft boards? I personally just don't see it...

[GswStorm3]

my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Lewis is playing 30 minutes a game and averaging one assist. That's your one?

[clyde21]

my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Lewis is playing 30 minutes a game and averaging one assist. That's your one?

yup. elite defender both on-ball and off-ball, can defend 1-3 from day one, has NBA level athleticism and length, runs the court like a horse, has a great head on his shoulders, natural born leader, top notch motor, i trust his offense is gonna come around at some point, really the a great wing prospect for today's NBA.

also..not sure what playing 30 mins has to do with anything? that's pretty normal for college? Anthony Edwards is at 30 mins, Cole at 33, Wiseman at 23, etc...

[GswStorm3]

my top15 seperated in tiers as of 12/23

1. SCOTTIE LEWIS
2. RJ HAMPTON
3. ANTHONY EDWARDS

4. JAMES WISEMAN
5. NICO MANNION
6. TYRESE HALIBURTON
7. JOSH GREEN
8. COLE ANTHONY

9. OCHAI AGBAJI
10. OSCAR TSHIEBWE
11. JADEN MCDANIELS
12. ISAAC OKORO
13. LAMELO BALL
14. TRE JONES
15. PAUL REED

Lewis is playing 30 minutes a game and averaging one assist. That's your one?

yup. elite defender both on-ball and off-ball, can defend 1-3 from day one, has NBA level athleticism and length, runs the court like a horse, has a great head on his shoulders, natural born leader, top notch motor, i trust his offense is gonna come around at some point, really the a great wing prospect for today's NBA.

also..not sure what playing 30 mins has to do with anything? that's pretty normal for college? Anthony Edwards is at 30 mins, Cole at 33, Wiseman at 23, etc...

Minutes played gives me sample size, it's not complicated. I would have to see improved playmaking before I put him one.

[clyde21]

Lewis is playing 30 minutes a game and averaging one assist. That's your one?

yup. elite defender both on-ball and off-ball, can defend 1-3 from day one, has NBA level athleticism and length, runs the court like a horse, has a great head on his shoulders, natural born leader, top notch motor, i trust his offense is gonna come around at some point, really the a great wing prospect for today's NBA.

also..not sure what playing 30 mins has to do with anything? that's pretty normal for college? Anthony Edwards is at 30 mins, Cole at 33, Wiseman at 23, etc...

Minutes played gives me sample size, it's not complicated. I would have to see improved playmaking before I put him one.

okay, he's an off-ball wing, that's not his role, in a perfect world he's showcase more playmaking but that's not the first thing you look for in a wing at this point unless you're specifically talking about a point forward.

[Mylie10]

I wouldn't worry one bit about Lewis confirming to the Warriors ball movement style of play. He will do whatever the coaching staff wants him to do.

He's a smart player and I don't think his low assist totals are indicative of anything regarding his role in the NBA. He'll be fine.

[clyde21]

look at these defensive plays by Lewis...just ludicrous

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you wanna know why I don't want Wiseman? this is why...i'd rather trade down and take this guy (pick up an extra pick in the process) and plug this guy on the wings next to Klay.

he's a plug and play defender that can take 1-3 from day 1.

[BballIntellect]

look at these defensive plays by Lewis...just ludicrous

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you wanna know why I don't want Wiseman? this is why...i'd rather trade down and take this guy (pick up an extra pick in the process) and plug this guy on the wings next to Klay.

he's a plug and play defender that can take 1-3 from day 1.

I like Lewis. He's a bit undersized and outmatched physically but he's an elite defensive player in college and projects to be the same in the NBA. I just don't think the Warriors draft him with a Top 5 pick. They'd trade down to draft him picking up extra draft picks in the process.

[Onus]

look at these defensive plays by Lewis...just ludicrous

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you wanna know why I don't want Wiseman? this is why...i'd rather trade down and take this guy (pick up an extra pick in the process) and plug this guy on the wings next to Klay.

he's a plug and play defender that can take 1-3 from day 1.

I like Lewis. He's a bit undersized and outmatched physically but he's an elite defensive player in college and projects to be the same in the NBA. I just don't think the Warriors draft him with a Top 5 pick. They'd trade down to draft him picking up extra draft picks in the process.

Highly unlikely anyone is trading up and if they are it’s for minimal assets.

[clyde21]

of course the Warriors wouldn't take Lewis top5, the point is to trade down and take him (or Green) and pick up more assets in the process.

[BballIntellect]

look at these defensive plays by Lewis...just ludicrous

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you wanna know why I don't want Wiseman? this is why...i'd rather trade down and take this guy (pick up an extra pick in the process) and plug this guy on the wings next to Klay.

he's a plug and play defender that can take 1-3 from day 1.

I like Lewis. He's a bit undersized and outmatched physically but he's an elite defensive player in college and projects to be the same in the NBA. I just don't think the Warriors draft him with a Top 5 pick. They'd trade down to draft him picking up extra draft picks in the process.

Highly unlikely anyone is trading up and if they are it’s for minimal assets.

You might be right because the general consensus around the league is that this draft sucks.

[clyde21]

^ it's not that good at the top, there is no tier1 guy like Zion or Luka or Davis, top10 is okay, but some decent depth.

i kinda wants us to land in the 7-10 range just because I don't have to worry about us taking a LaMelo or something cuz I just don't trust Myers.

[shazam_guy]

The problem with folks like Scottie Lewis is that their games are often all physicality and athleticism. That might be over after one severe injury. Outside shots and playmaking last -- just look at Sabonis (senior), Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Athleticism, not so much.

Just sayin'.

[Mylie10]

The problem with folks like Scottie Lewis is that their games are often all physicality and athleticism. That might be over after one severe injury. Outside shots and playmaking last -- just look at Sabonis (senior), Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Athleticism, not so much.

Just sayin'.

There are lots of guys who have vastly improved their shots over the years. But finding guys who are defense first dogs is tough.

Last year a few of us were on the Matisse Thybulle train. I advocated for moving up a few slots if possible. Didn't happen and the Sixers took him before our slot. We ended up with Poole who the jury is definitely out on.

But Scottie Lewis is an extremely good defensive player. And he's a smart dude who would most likely improve a ton in other areas under our coaching staff.

He and Paul Reed are 2 guys I really like in a trade down scenario based on defense all over the floor. Reed more of a big, and Lewis more of a wing. Both would be tremendous role playing defenders for us. Which would be awesome with Steph and Klay.

[Marcus]

The problem with folks like Scottie Lewis is that their games are often all physicality and athleticism. That might be over after one severe injury. Outside shots and playmaking last -- just look at Sabonis (senior), Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Athleticism, not so much.

Just sayin'.

There are lots of guys who have vastly improved their shots over the years. But finding guys who are defense first dogs is tough.

Last year a few of us were on the Matisse Thybulle train. I advocated for moving up a few slots if possible. Didn't happen and the Sixers took him before our slot. We ended up with Poole who the jury is definitely out on.

But Scottie Lewis is an extremely good defensive player. And he's a smart dude who would most likely improve a ton in other areas under our coaching staff.

He and Paul Reed are 2 guys I really like in a trade down scenario based on defense all over the floor. Reed more of a big, and Lewis more of a wing. Both would be tremendous role playing defenders for us. Which would be awesome with Steph and Klay.

yeah Scottie is definitely pure dog and 100% comes across as a kid willing to put the work in. Landing in a situation with you guys where he can learn not only from great coaching but from self made mofos like your 3 best players might unlock a really REALLY good player for your franchise.

[wco81]

The problem with folks like Scottie Lewis is that their games are often all physicality and athleticism. That might be over after one severe injury. Outside shots and playmaking last -- just look at Sabonis (senior), Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Athleticism, not so much.

Just sayin'.

There are lots of guys who have vastly improved their shots over the years. But finding guys who are defense first dogs is tough.

Last year a few of us were on the Matisse Thybulle train. I advocated for moving up a few slots if possible. Didn't happen and the Sixers took him before our slot. We ended up with Poole who the jury is definitely out on.

But Scottie Lewis is an extremely good defensive player. And he's a smart dude who would most likely improve a ton in other areas under our coaching staff.

He and Paul Reed are 2 guys I really like in a trade down scenario based on defense all over the floor. Reed more of a big, and Lewis more of a wing. Both would be tremendous role playing defenders for us. Which would be awesome with Steph and Klay.

Guys with physical tools aren't enough.

Otherwise, MKG wouldn't be a bust.

Nor would Stanley Johnson or Hollis-Lefferson have been just allowed to walk away as RFAs.

Or Ben McElmore.

These guys couldn't shoot well enough to get big second contracts.

Same thing to an extent with Marquis Chris. Could jump out of the gym but wasn't polished with his shooting and passing.

Or Josh Jackson, another bust who can't shoot well enough but is a great athlete.

I don't know these college players so I don't know what their shot looks like. But being athletic freaks is not enough.

[Marcus]

The problem with folks like Scottie Lewis is that their games are often all physicality and athleticism. That might be over after one severe injury. Outside shots and playmaking last -- just look at Sabonis (senior), Grant Hill, and Vince Carter. Athleticism, not so much.

Just sayin'.

There are lots of guys who have vastly improved their shots over the years. But finding guys who are defense first dogs is tough.

Last year a few of us were on the Matisse Thybulle train. I advocated for moving up a few slots if possible. Didn't happen and the Sixers took him before our slot. We ended up with Poole who the jury is definitely out on.

But Scottie Lewis is an extremely good defensive player. And he's a smart dude who would most likely improve a ton in other areas under our coaching staff.

He and Paul Reed are 2 guys I really like in a trade down scenario based on defense all over the floor. Reed more of a big, and Lewis more of a wing. Both would be tremendous role playing defenders for us. Which would be awesome with Steph and Klay.

Guys with physical tools aren't enough.

Otherwise, MKG wouldn't be a bust.

Nor would Stanley Johnson or Hollis-Lefferson have been just allowed to walk away as RFAs.

Or Ben McElmore.

These guys couldn't shoot well enough to get big second contracts.

Same thing to an extent with Marquis Chris. Could jump out of the gym but wasn't polished with his shooting and passing.

Or Josh Jackson, another bust who can't shoot well enough but is a great athlete.

I don't know these college players so I don't know what their shot looks like. But being athletic freaks is not enough.

as much as it pains me to admit about Josh cause that's my guy, he's a headcase, it's more than just a lack of jumper with him.

MKG never could get that funky arm movement fixed.

Pretty sure RHJ could be a casualty of any free agent situation if it meant Kevin Durant was coming

Stanley i'll give you, despite the bad fit in Detriot he should have improved.

McLemore and Chriss both had questionable passion for this game to begin with and they're both just now seamingly understanding the "job" aspect of this type of life.

I get the alarm in strictly toolsy prospects but you gotta factor in how hard a kid is willing to work. Lewis isn't a kid that will have that problem.

[wco81]

They can work hard but they can still be bricklayers

There are many players who have developed effective jumpers after entering the league.

But the die is often cast for many other players. Usually when you're a kid and you have passion for the game, you shoot hundreds of jumpers on your own in the summers. That's what KD talked about in his Baltimore days.

Of course Curry came into the league with an established jumper, as did Klay.

Not saying a guy who can't shoot can't become a good shooter in the NBA but notice that the best shooters are already great shooters when they enter the league?

Maybe some players just worked on jumpers while the athletic freaks got by just on physical ability.

But I also suspect that these kids couldn't shoot well so they were discouraged from trying to improve and just got by on hops or whatever.

Some day, they may be able to quantify the muscle memory and the hand-eye coordination which makes for great shooters. I guess FT shooting is one good indicator too.

[BballIntellect]

Some day, they may be able to quantify the muscle memory and the hand-eye coordination which makes for great shooters. I guess FT shooting is one good indicator too.

Also some guys simply have the touch that some other guys won't be able to ever have. I think we can talk about genes here.

I thought Mark Jackson made a (rare) great point on National TV last year. He said that guys can always work on their jumpers and improve it but no matter how hard they try, they'll never be able to shoot the ball like Steph Curry. Even if they work harder than him.

It seems like an obvious thing to say but it's simply true.

I would guess having Dell as a father certainly was a great thing for Steph. He hit the genetics lottery.

When you think about it, even when Steph wasn't recruited in high school and nobody believed he could play basketball at a high level because of his physical limitations, the only thing that was going on for him was his jumpshot.

What I mean is he always had the most potential for shooting the basketball. He could simply reach a higher level as a shooter than other guys. Then when you put in the hard work and the repetitions like Steph, that's when you perfect your craft.

Not to mention having a late growth spurt and growing into a bigger frame also helped Steph to keep shooting over bigger guys off the dribble and off the catch.