2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ShayDee]

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This video doesn't mean ****. Why do people keep bringing this up? A 19 y/o kid is already a finished product now? You want me to find terrible games of Steph in college? Klay? Dray? Bad Lebron high school games? Bad Jordan college games? Steph Curry's awful summer league?

The only difference is that all those guys you named...happen to have a history of dominant games to offset that one game. Kind of a silly argument....

Main argument is you cannot use a kid's 3rd college game to determine the kind of player he is, especially if he has not played in over a year and he has 100% improved. No argument bringing this point up should stand, regardless of the player

[ShayDee]

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This video doesn't mean ****. Why do people keep bringing this up? A 19 y/o kid is already a finished product now? You want me to find terrible games of Steph in college? Klay? Dray? Bad Lebron high school games? Bad Jordan college games? Steph Curry's awful summer league?

Why are we bringing up 1 game of someone now, that is a so out of context stint from a bleacher report "scout" that hates Wiseman? You want me to dig up games where AD was slow footed against whoever he defended? Missed shots? Didn't catch the ball from a lob? Missed rotations? Fouled alot? Jamal Murray last game took a shot over him and made it. Just look at how that dude nitpicks a good contest from Wiseman on Payton Pritchard.

You realize Deni had a 0 point game recently right? After he missed 4 shots and his team lost and he played 22 mins. You wanna bring that up too? And what evidence do you have Deni is mature at all? He sounds super cocky to me when he isn't even really that good and gets hyper emotional and pouty whenever his coach doesn't run plays for him. That kind of the guy you want when he is never going to get any touches on this team?

Just because he didn't play any games all of a sudden he is a terrible prospect because of one game. This is insane lol

Huh? I'm not saying that. I'm saying "just because he didn't play any games" we shouldn't THINK he's somehow a franchise talent. You can't say "that's insane to think he's going to suck" without evidence then say "he's likely a franchise talent" without evidence.

I'm arguing that there is little we've seen that would suggest the Warriors can't rely on this young dude for any meaningful minutes in a playoff run for the next two years. Is THAT insane?

If you all can tell me that it's very common for young 19 year old's who haven't played a full year of college to come in and have some immediate impact in big time games without also being a huge risk....I'm all ears.

Sheesh...I think I'm being pretty reasonable.

You might not think or say he is a franchise talent, people can only bring up points and reasoning as to why he is. But after many legitimate arguments people still turn a blind eye and ignore him because people already have stamped opinions on him is just silly. Can you give me good reason as to why you think he will not be multiple time allstar if he even reaches 3/4 of his potential? And can you give me 3 players you will take over him? and tell me why you take them over him?

[whatisacenter]

Some rumor material coming from Phoenix perspective with the Warriors landing Oubre and No.10.

The offers were pretty underwhelming. Lesson learned: A top pick in this draft doesn’t hold nearly the value as most years. Detroit offered up a Blake Griffin for Andrew Wiggins toxic contract swap, attached to a 2 for 7 flip and added third-year guard Luke Kennard. Nope. Wiggins is younger, healthier and plays a more valued position. Griffin, Draymond Green and Eric Paschall sounds like spacing hell. The Knicks were interested in jumping up, but wouldn’t give up Mitchell Robinson to do so. Julius Randle and Bobby Portis were on the table. Again: Nope. The Warriors should be able to find something better with that $17.2 million trade exception. Ding. Found. The Suns were willing to deal Kelly Oubre and the 10th pick to move up to second. This gives the win-now Warriors an immediate rotation boost on the wing, where they’re desperate, and still a shot at a prospect in the back side of the lottery.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2020/09/25/nba-mock-draft-phoenix-suns-kelly-oubre-trade-golden-state-warriors/3532261001/

[Hopper15]

Oubre would be fine for the TPE but not to move down in the draft. He'd basically be a 1 year rental. And not sure how happy he'd be in a backup role in a contract year.

[jason bourne]

Oubre would be fine for the TPE but not to move down in the draft. He'd basically be a 1 year rental. And not sure how happy he'd be in a backup role in a contract year.

The Suns would have to put up Ayton for LaMelo or Anthony Edwards. Ayton for the TPE and #2 straight up. If they offer Oubre for the TPE + #10 for the #2, then they'd have to offer something more. Oubre doesn't really work because we have Wiggins, so some other team would need to get involved.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Oubre would be fine for the TPE but not to move down in the draft. He'd basically be a 1 year rental. And not sure how happy he'd be in a backup role in a contract year.

The Suns would have to put up Ayton for LaMelo or Anthony Edwards. Ayton for the TPE and #2 straight up. If they offer Oubre for the TPE + #10 for the #2, then they'd have to offer something more. Oubre doesn't really work because we have Wiggins, so some other team would need to get involved.

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

[wco81]

Oubre would be fine for the TPE but not to move down in the draft. He'd basically be a 1 year rental. And not sure how happy he'd be in a backup role in a contract year.

If they traded Wiggins for Oubre, KO would presumably be starting.

KO seems to be better shooter than Wiggins on 3s and FT, Wiggins maybe a better finisher.

Is he tougher gearing the stronger wings like LBJ and Kawhi?

But he got the most FGAs in his career and he might now want to give up shots in a contract year, though he should be no better than the #3 guy on the team in FGAs.

Ever since he's been on the Suns, he's gotten way more FGAs so maybe he's not working as hard on defense.

So he may not have the right approach, since he is looking for a big contract. Still the gap between what Wiggins earns and what KO could get may be an incentive for GSW, to save some luxury taxes.

Trying to think of teams who might offer him a big contract in free agency, especially post-pandemic. Maybe Dallas, maybe Heat?

[jason bourne]

Oubre would be fine for the TPE but not to move down in the draft. He'd basically be a 1 year rental. And not sure how happy he'd be in a backup role in a contract year.

The Suns would have to put up Ayton for LaMelo or Anthony Edwards. Ayton for the TPE and #2 straight up. If they offer Oubre for the TPE + #10 for the #2, then they'd have to offer something more. Oubre doesn't really work because we have Wiggins, so some other team would need to get involved.

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

The Suns would have to put up Ayton for LaMelo or Anthony Edwards. Ayton for the TPE and #2 straight up. If they offer Oubre for the TPE + #10 for the #2, then they'd have to offer something more. Oubre doesn't really work because we have Wiggins, so some other team would need to get involved.

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Yes, I've made mention of the Great Admiral. but, Bud, I never said he'd be like a David Robinson (Though, some experts have been saying so; Even he said so on a few occasions. Look it up). I'm comparing to the immediate impact he's going to have once he steps onto the floor. Right now, defensively, yes just on his physical attributes alone. Offensively? It'll be a work in progress, and we'll just have to see at the Combine, individual workouts and scrimmages leading up to Draft Night.

Bogut always says good things about his Australian native players or players that play in the Australian league. What's he going to do? Say that he flat-out sucks? LaMelo has the talent, no doubt. But, I don't think Curry and the gang aren't going to wait for him to develop his skills and feel for the NBA game.. nor wait for the Great LaVar make his grand entrance at every game (lol). So, if we do draft him, it'll be for a trade.

[cdubbz]

What established player can we actually get for Lamelo Ball?

[Mylie10]

What established player can we actually get for Lamelo Ball?

None that we’d want

[Quazza]

What established player can we actually get for Lamelo Ball?

probs Lonzo

[Ilovethebay]

The Suns would have to put up Ayton for LaMelo or Anthony Edwards. Ayton for the TPE and #2 straight up. If they offer Oubre for the TPE + #10 for the #2, then they'd have to offer something more. Oubre doesn't really work because we have Wiggins, so some other team would need to get involved.

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Nice post. Lamelo gets a lot of hate on this board. Ill take Boguts word over any of the wannabe talent scouts that post here. Because after all, he’s the only one who has played against him and watched him up close.Truth is, all of the top 4 picks have huge red flags so all of the gms are really just making their best “educated guess”. Ill route for whoever we pick.

[Quazza]

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Nice post. Lamelo gets a lot of hate on this board. Ill take Boguts word over any of the wannabe talent scouts that post here. Because after all, he’s the only one who has played against him and watched him up close.Truth is, all of the top 4 picks have huge red flags so all of the gms are really just making their best “educated guess”. Ill route for whoever we pick.

I watched the game they played each other. Ball had a pretty strong game but was in foul trouble. Only played around 25mins but still finished with something like 16/9/8

[jason bourne]

And I thought my logic and reasoning was bad. But, DAMN.

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Yes, I've made mention of the Great Admiral. but, Bud, I never said he'd be like a David Robinson (Though, some experts have been saying so; Even he said so on a few occasions. Look it up). I'm comparing to the immediate impact he's going to have once he steps onto the floor. Right now, defensively, yes just on his physical attributes alone. Offensively? It'll be a work in progress, and we'll just have to see at the Combine, individual workouts and scrimmages leading up to Draft Night.

Bogut always says good things about his Australian native players or players that play in the Australian league. What's he going to do? Say that he flat-out sucks? LaMelo has the talent, no doubt. But, I don't think Curry and the gang aren't going to wait for him to develop his skills and feel for the NBA game.. nor wait for the Great LaVar make his grand entrance at every game (lol). So, if we do draft him, it'll be for a trade.

I got the vids I've seen and also what Bogut said about LaMelo. You got your opinion and it sounds like poo poo. I posted about making a big man do run and shoot drills in order to see how balanced he is when taking a shot on the run. I bet that Wiseman won't be able to get a high percentage. He may not be off balance, but he hasn't worked that hard on his J. Just knock him off balance and see how he does. Wiseman is basically a high school player. He dominated against regular teams then.

Compare him to LeBron in a high school game against the #1 team in the country. LeBron played well and within his game. He didn't rush it and let the game come to him. The top team took the lead early on, but LeBron kept working and running his game. He was the PG a lot of the time. You can see that he's running the team and knows what to do.

Wiseman can't just dominate against college teams. He gets into foul trouble. The stronger players can push him further out. He's still a specimen with Joel Embiid measurements, so there are times he plays okay. Does Wismeann pass the ball to his teammates? No. Does he make them better? No? Does he play defense? He can block shots. He's basically known for his scoring inside and rebounding. What I see is he still needs a lot of work to make his game polished. He won't be an All-Star, but a journeyman. Not worth it for a #2 pick.

Since he has Embiid like measurements, compare him to Joel Embiid at Kansas. You can see Embiid worked on his game and is much more fluid, has many more shots and angles to put the ball up, and can get to where he wants on the floor. Embiid had basically a hook shot and foul line jumper. He developed his shot in the pros so he can shoot from outside. When he's on defense, he challenges his man and makes him change his shot. I don't see Wiseman do that. Embiid is easily a top pick from his days at Kansas. Not Wiseman. He's still raw. Even then, Embiid didn't go #1. Overall #1 went to Wiggins his Kansas teammate lol. It was because Wiggins could shoot from outside and well as get where he wanted to in the paint. Jabari Parker was #2 ugh. Embiid went #3.

Watch here to see how Wiggins and Embiid did at Kansas. It was Wiggins who was the phenom and not Embiid if you can believe it

Watch on YouTube

Wiseman is not Embiid and isn't even close to him in college. Just the same measurements.

[ShayDee]

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Yes, I've made mention of the Great Admiral. but, Bud, I never said he'd be like a David Robinson (Though, some experts have been saying so; Even he said so on a few occasions. Look it up). I'm comparing to the immediate impact he's going to have once he steps onto the floor. Right now, defensively, yes just on his physical attributes alone. Offensively? It'll be a work in progress, and we'll just have to see at the Combine, individual workouts and scrimmages leading up to Draft Night.

Bogut always says good things about his Australian native players or players that play in the Australian league. What's he going to do? Say that he flat-out sucks? LaMelo has the talent, no doubt. But, I don't think Curry and the gang aren't going to wait for him to develop his skills and feel for the NBA game.. nor wait for the Great LaVar make his grand entrance at every game (lol). So, if we do draft him, it'll be for a trade.

I got the vids I've seen and also what Bogut said about LaMelo. You got your opinion and it sounds like poo poo. I posted about making a big man do run and shoot drills in order to see how balanced he is when taking a shot on the run. I bet that Wiseman won't be able to get a high percentage. He may not be off balance, but he hasn't worked that hard on his J. Just knock him off balance and see how he does. Wiseman is basically a high school player. He dominated against regular teams then.

Compare him to LeBron in a high school game against the #1 team in the country. LeBron played well and within his game. He didn't rush it and let the game come to him. The top team took the lead early on, but LeBron kept working and running his game. He was the PG a lot of the time. You can see that he's running the team and knows what to do.

Wiseman can't just dominate against college teams. He gets into foul trouble. The stronger players can push him further out. He's still a specimen with Joel Embiid measurements, so there are times he plays okay. Does Wismeann pass the ball to his teammates? No. Does he make them better? No? Does he play defense? He can block shots. He's basically known for his scoring inside and rebounding. What I see is he still needs a lot of work to make his game polished. He won't be an All-Star, but a journeyman. Not worth it for a #2 pick.

Since he has Embiid like measurements, compare him to Joel Embiid at Kansas. You can see Embiid worked on his game and is much more fluid, has many more shots and angles to put the ball up, and can get to where he wants on the floor. Embiid had basically a hook shot and foul line jumper. He developed his shot in the pros so he can shoot from outside. When he's on defense, he challenges his man and makes him change his shot. I don't see Wiseman do that. Embiid is easily a top pick from his days at Kansas. Not Wiseman. He's still raw. Even then, Embiid didn't go #1. Overall #1 went to Wiggins his Kansas teammate lol. It was because Wiggins could shoot from outside and well as get where he wanted to in the paint. Jabari Parker was #2 ugh. Embiid went #3.

Watch here to see how Wiggins and Embiid did at Kansas. It was Wiggins who was the phenom and not Embiid if you can believe it

Watch on YouTube

Wiseman is not Embiid and isn't even close to him in college. Just the same measurements.

After 3 games Wiseman is foul Prone now? You know it was only 1 game he had 3 fouls right? The other 2 games he had only 1 foul. Too early to determine that unless we are going back to his high school tape, but it's fine if you wanna label him foul prone. Any other C will get in foul trouble that we acquire in FA defending Bron/AD so I doubt that matters

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[Little Digger]

I now have TT as the best guard available ..and definitely pound for pound the best player in this draft..

[Onus]

I now have TT as the best guard available ..and definitely pound for pound the best player in this draft..

Where’s today’s big board?

[Little Digger]

After numerous requests begging me to do another Wishy Washy BIG BOARD..Here it is..

1. Okoro
2. Tyler
3. Okongwu
4. Williams
5. Vassell
6. Advija
7. Wiseman
8. Smith
9. Edwards
10. Ball