Warriors v Clippers

[oaktownwarriors87]

Wiggins is dealing with knee problems, i think thats the bigger hindrance. Dray just needs to get into game mode. He is not that bad a ft shooter. Other than that and the fts, he looks active.

I mean, he's a career 71% free throw shooter whose shot has gotten progressively flatter. We may be at the point where his FT's are as flat as his 3's. Shooting in the 60's, or dare I say the 50's, isn't far fetched.

Those free throws looked real ugly.

[WarriorGM]

Wiggins is dealing with knee problems, i think thats the bigger hindrance. Dray just needs to get into game mode. He is not that bad a ft shooter. Other than that and the fts, he looks active.

I mean, he's a career 71% free throw shooter whose shot has gotten progressively flatter. We may be at the point where his FT's are as flat as his 3's. Shooting in the 60's, or dare I say the 50's, isn't far fetched.

Those free throws looked real ugly.

It's baffling he hasn't been able to correct his shot with all the new tech that allows for quick diagnosis of the problem.

[The-Power]

Wiggins is dealing with knee problems, i think thats the bigger hindrance. Dray just needs to get into game mode. He is not that bad a ft shooter. Other than that and the fts, he looks active.

I mean, he's a career 71% free throw shooter whose shot has gotten progressively flatter. We may be at the point where his FT's are as flat as his 3's. Shooting in the 60's, or dare I say the 50's, isn't far fetched.

Those free throws looked real ugly.

79% last year and 76% the year before. It would be one of the more dramatic drops in percentage if he shoots in the 50-60s range this year.

It's baffling he hasn't been able to correct his shot with all the new tech that allows for quick diagnosis of the problem.

Identification is not the issue, it's in-game execution. His shot isn't as flat when he practices.

[The-Power]

How do you think the rotation should look like if you want to not start him but keep his minutes as they are/project to be? Also, how many minutes do you want Poole to play on average? Lastly, Curry only sits for about 14 minutes per game. Poole already plays during all of those minutes. So if you want to keep his minutes as they are, you're going to have him play next to Curry the exact same number of minutes. So what do you really gain?

We have extensive history of getting Iguodala off the bench and his minutes. Figuring out Poole won't be difficult. His end minutes would look similar to Harden/Manu had in their 6th man glory days. Just ensures that we have a primary ball handler on the court at all times and safeguards against any foul situations.

That doesn't answer any of my questions. What do we gain when Poole still enters while Curry is out there? And how many MPG do you see Poole play? You're thinking in terms of labels and what you associate with it but not rotations, which is what really matters.

Also, Iguodala actually never played more than 27 MPG under Kerr. I believe that Poole's MPG should be higher than that before Klay's return provided that he plays well – and it's incredibly difficult to play bench players 30+ MPG rotation-wise. They'd have to have incredible stamina and durability to do that, and why would you put a player through that when you can just start them instead. It's not like we have an urgent need to start someone else.

You do realize we will be changing the starting lineup when Klay is back right? In reality why are we reinforcing lineups that likely will be obsolete at the mid way point. If anything letting Poole develop his chemistry with the second unit now would be stabilize our lineup so the only person who needs to adjust is Klay while the rest of the squad is already clicking.

What you don't acknowledge – and I'm not sure how I can be any clearer – is that Poole already plays all the non-Curry minutes. He's already playing with the second unit! Whether you start him in the first quarter and then have him start the second quarter again, or sub him in midway through the first and then have also him start the second quarter – it doesn't make any difference in terms playing with the second (non-Curry) unit.

Also by inserting Poole while Curry is heating up should open the door for a couple of open shots before he takes over the primary duties. That way Curry can get his game going earlier and by the time he comes off the court Poole should be dialed in.

That's a point actually worth discussing in theory but... this hasn't been reality. Curry usually takes some time to take over, it's been like that at his peak with some of the best teams in history.

Also, you're very clearly contradicting yourself. This is what you wrote initially:

Moody/Lee should start with Poole playing with iggy/OPJ/JTA/Bjelica.

Give him more spacing and the ball in his hands to get a groove.

No need to cut down minutes, I just believe Poole is better with the ball in his hands than a catch-and-shoot role.

So you want to bring Poole off the bench so he can have the ball in his hands to get into a groove because he's better with the ball in his hands than in a catch-and-shoot role. This was your initial reasoning for the line-up change. Yet now you argue that having Poole come off the bench could help him because... he can start the game more in a secondary catch-and-shoot role. So which one is it? Because purely based on simple logic, it cannot be both.

I do not believe anyone is saying he is going to lose minutes here just that he should have more time to operate without Curry. The second unit doesnt have a clear cut primary ball handler and I would rather save Iguodala's legs as much as possible before playoffs. Poole should operate as our 6th man by the end of the year so why are we not letting him get more minutes in the actual rotations he will be in?

Okay, even though I explicitly wrote this already I'll try it again: he already plays EVERY SINGLE MINUTE that Curry is off the floor. There is literally no ‘more time to operate without Curry’. Poole already plays with the ‘second unit’ (which, by the way, does not even exist as a singular unit). He is the primary creator in non-Steph line-ups. Just because you start doesn't mean you can't play with the second unit(s). That's why we must talk about rotations, not labels.

[Scoots1994]

Wiggins is dealing with knee problems, i think thats the bigger hindrance. Dray just needs to get into game mode. He is not that bad a ft shooter. Other than that and the fts, he looks active.

I mean, he's a career 71% free throw shooter whose shot has gotten progressively flatter. We may be at the point where his FT's are as flat as his 3's. Shooting in the 60's, or dare I say the 50's, isn't far fetched.

Those free throws looked real ugly.

79% last year and 76% the year before. It would be one of the more dramatic drops in percentage if he shoots in the 50-60s range this year.

It's baffling he hasn't been able to correct his shot with all the new tech that allows for quick diagnosis of the problem.

Identification is not the issue, it's in-game execution. His shot isn't as flat when he practices.

Bingo. And Shaq hit 80% of his FTs in practice.

Some players are totally broken at the line ... the Warriors don't have any of them thankfully.

[FNQ]

I mean, he's a career 71% free throw shooter whose shot has gotten progressively flatter. We may be at the point where his FT's are as flat as his 3's. Shooting in the 60's, or dare I say the 50's, isn't far fetched.

Those free throws looked real ugly.

79% last year and 76% the year before. It would be one of the more dramatic drops in percentage if he shoots in the 50-60s range this year.

It's baffling he hasn't been able to correct his shot with all the new tech that allows for quick diagnosis of the problem.

Identification is not the issue, it's in-game execution. His shot isn't as flat when he practices.

Bingo. And Shaq hit 80% of his FTs in practice.

Some players are totally broken at the line ... the Warriors don't have any of them thankfully.

Dray just went like 2-9 and we still have Iguodala.. I dont know know what the cutoff for 'totally broken' is but a couple of our guys are kinda close

[Scoots1994]

79% last year and 76% the year before. It would be one of the more dramatic drops in percentage if he shoots in the 50-60s range this year.


Identification is not the issue, it's in-game execution. His shot isn't as flat when he practices.

Bingo. And Shaq hit 80% of his FTs in practice.

Some players are totally broken at the line ... the Warriors don't have any of them thankfully.

Dray just went like 2-9 and we still have Iguodala.. I dont know know what the cutoff for 'totally broken' is but a couple of our guys are kinda close

Broken is people who are afraid to shoot and get in their head about it, or who are physically unable to hit a decent percentage like Bogut. Draymond and Iguodala are both 70+% FT shooters for their career. Dray will improve significantly. If you are going to draw conclusions from the first 2 games shouldn't you be happy with Iguodala.

[Impuniti]

Draymond is a good FT shooter, but a **** shooter/scorer outside of that. That 2/9 is a big exception to what is expected from him.

[FNQ]

Bingo. And Shaq hit 80% of his FTs in practice.

Some players are totally broken at the line ... the Warriors don't have any of them thankfully.

Dray just went like 2-9 and we still have Iguodala.. I dont know know what the cutoff for 'totally broken' is but a couple of our guys are kinda close

Broken is people who are afraid to shoot and get in their head about it, or who are physically unable to hit a decent percentage like Bogut. Draymond and Iguodala are both 70+% FT shooters for their career. Dray will improve significantly. If you are going to draw conclusions from the first 2 games shouldn't you be happy with Iguodala.

Well Draymond should bounce back based on history, but Iguodala hasnt been at 70% in 12 years.. I would consider Iguodala broken

[Scoots1994]

Well Draymond should bounce back based on history, but Iguodala hasnt been at 70% in 12 years.. I would consider Iguodala broken

I think Iguodala is generally kind of anti-scoring, and I do think that's a problem at times. He seems to avoid shooting and attacking for stretches. His FT% is related to opportunity to some extent probably, and may be broken in ways.

Is there a place you can find FT% based on situation? I feel like they shoot better when it "really matters".

[michaelm]

Well Draymond should bounce back based on history, but Iguodala hasnt been at 70% in 12 years.. I would consider Iguodala broken

I think Iguodala is generally kind of anti-scoring, and I do think that's a problem at times. He seems to avoid shooting and attacking for stretches. His FT% is related to opportunity to some extent probably, and may be broken in ways.

Is there a place you can find FT% based on situation? I feel like they shoot better when it "really matters".

Usually listed under Iguodala, A.