Should the Warriors make a trade?

[ILOVEIT]

Cam Johnson is a finished product. Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but is A, not a great fit, B, not a floor spacer and C, is not likely to reach full potential for a couple of years.

Cam Johnson and Wiggins > Wiggins and Kuminga.

Please Dunleavy: Cam Johnson and a legit sized center )))))

[Twinkie defense]

That’s who I wanted to trade instead of Schroeder but now it’s most likely can’t happen because of his contract.

I don't see how the acquisition of Dennis Schröder has negatively affected the Warrior ability to make a trade.

It would’ve been easier to trade for cam using meltons contract. I dont think we can trade them back Schroeder.

This is specifically for cam j. Schroeder can be traded to other teams but the nets won’t take him back.

Either Schröder or Melton are just a small part of the salary filler that would need to go out to Brooklyn. There are other players Warriors could use to match salary.

Also the Warriors talked to Brooklyn about Cam when they traded for Schröder. If they wanted to make a deal for Cam they could have used Melton's contract then. But Brooklyn's asking price for Cam was too high.

[Twinkie defense]

Cam Johnson is a finished product. Kuminga may have a higher ceiling but is A, not a great fit, B, not a floor spacer and C, is not likely to reach full potential for a couple of years.

Cam Johnson and Wiggins > Wiggins and Kuminga.

Please Dunleavy: Cam Johnson and a legit sized center )))))

It would not be a straight up trade, Kuminga for Cam Johnson. So you have to take account of the other variables too.

[CDM_Stats]

And then we try and run Cam in a motion offense and realize he's not experienced in that either. We have a lesser guy who's a pure shooter and we can't even figure out how to use him... why trade for a guy who's going to have the same problems? Because it costs more? Spending value just to spend is a really bad move

There is not a single trade (at least, non-rebuilding) that makes a lick of sense until we can even use the parts we have effectively. And after what I heard the team wanted to do with Schroder vs how the team is actually using Schroder, I wouldnt trust them anyways

[Twinkie defense]

And then we try and run Cam in a motion offense and realize he's not experienced in that either. We have a lesser guy who's a pure shooter and we can't even figure out how to use him... why trade for a guy who's going to have the same problems? Because it costs more? Spending value just to spend is a really bad move

There is not a single trade (at least, non-rebuilding) that makes a lick of sense until we can even use the parts we have effectively. And after what I heard the team wanted to do with Schroder vs how the team is actually using Schroder, I wouldnt trust them anyways

I was thinking Moses Moody is kind of a poor man's Cam Johnson?

[CDM_Stats]

And then we try and run Cam in a motion offense and realize he's not experienced in that either. We have a lesser guy who's a pure shooter and we can't even figure out how to use him... why trade for a guy who's going to have the same problems? Because it costs more? Spending value just to spend is a really bad move

There is not a single trade (at least, non-rebuilding) that makes a lick of sense until we can even use the parts we have effectively. And after what I heard the team wanted to do with Schroder vs how the team is actually using Schroder, I wouldnt trust them anyways

I was thinking Moses Moody is kind of a poor man's Cam Johnson?

Moody, Hield, either way

Its like parenting a kid that wants a dog... prove you can handle a damn fish first, then we'll see. And right now our fish are dying

[Onus]

I don't see how the acquisition of Dennis Schröder has negatively affected the Warrior ability to make a trade.

It would’ve been easier to trade for cam using meltons contract. I dont think we can trade them back Schroeder.

This is specifically for cam j. Schroeder can be traded to other teams but the nets won’t take him back.

Either Schröder or Melton are just a small part of the salary filler that would need to go out to Brooklyn. There are other players Warriors could use to match salary.

Also the Warriors talked to Brooklyn about Cam when they traded for Schröder. If they wanted to make a deal for Cam they could have used Melton's contract then. But Brooklyn's asking price for Cam was too high.

I agree cam costs too much.

[whatisacenter]

Started 12-3

Then 6-15

No JK 0-4

29 days and 15 games until the deadline.

How many games will they win heading into the deadline without JK?

I can't see them not making another move in the next 4 weeks.

[HiRez]

Not the move they need to put them over the top, but I wouldn't mind trying to pry Deni Avdija away from Portland. He's playing well and they're trying to tank. Versatile, skilled guy with good size, very reasonable contract, who I feel Kerr would actually play. Bring Time Lord over too.

[wco81]

They want picks though.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Not the move they need to put them over the top, but I wouldn't mind trying to pry Deni Avdija away from Portland. He's playing well and they're trying to tank. Versatile, skilled guy with good size, very reasonable contract, who I feel Kerr would actually play. Bring Time Lord over too.

They lost their chance to get him when the Blazers got him from the wiz.

I dont think they'd take anyone unless we took ayton or grant in a deal.

[wco81]

Curry said after the Raptors game that the Warriors shouldn't make a desperate trade, mortgage future assets of the franchise.

Either he is going to be involved with running the team after he retires or he's going to ask to be traded.

Stephen A. Smith said that's laudable of Curry to say but there's no guarantee that the Warriors will get a player like him again.

But if Silver gets his way and there's parity under the Second Apron CBA, maybe you don't need generational players. OTOH, in 5 years, with the higher revenues from the new TV deal which goes in effect this fall, salary cap will be at least 50% higher than now so teams can keep more max players or keep them longer or both.

[HiRez]

Zion's upside is way higher than almost any draft picks they will get (half of which will wash out of the league), I don't understand why they don't make the move for him while they have the opportunity which will quickly be gone. Even an often-injured Zion is probably more valuable than most of those picks will ever be, although some of the nutrition/injury issues are avoidable. The other night Zion had a terrible 5-15 shooting night against Boston (they lost by 1), but still put up 16 points, 7 reb, 3 ast, 5 stl in 28 minutes. Those are Draymond-like numbers but again, that's on a bad night for Zion, and he can actually score inside and get to the line.

[CDM_Stats]

Zion, who's notoriously not done much for the Pelicans, is our hope now?

The Wiggins trade has people believing in miracles.. truth is Wiggins value was always there but his expectations were much higher. Zion's issue is his weight, that he misses long stretches of games as a young player already, and his defense is ****. He's not changing anything.. even if they acquired him and he was healthy and at his peak form, the team still has a glut of role players the coaching staff has no idea how to use

This isnt 20 years ago where a big 3 and a bunch of scrubs is a title contender any more.. good teams have depth that they use well. Why invest any future assets right now when the rest of the roster is going to be used poorly anyways? So they can say they tried? For the 1-2 weeks of euphoria of getting a new player and hoping they save the season? Just bring Twardzik back if that's our strategy.. maybe we can hire Mookie Blaylock and Tom Gugliotta and Donyell Marshall and Bob Sura and Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Clifford Robinson and Jamal Crawford to consult on how to execute this strategy just right

If they make any deals, it be towards recouping value of players showing value while they still can. Wiggins and JK should be at the top of that list, and maybe TJD as well. If he even has value, but I guess some teams might need a 2nd/3rd string C type

[Onus]

Zion, who's notoriously not done much for the Pelicans, is our hope now?

The Wiggins trade has people believing in miracles.. truth is Wiggins value was always there but his expectations were much higher. Zion's issue is his weight, that he misses long stretches of games as a young player already, and his defense is ****. He's not changing anything.. even if they acquired him and he was healthy and at his peak form, the team still has a glut of role players the coaching staff has no idea how to use

This isnt 20 years ago where a big 3 and a bunch of scrubs is a title contender any more.. good teams have depth that they use well. Why invest any future assets right now when the rest of the roster is going to be used poorly anyways? So they can say they tried? For the 1-2 weeks of euphoria of getting a new player and hoping they save the season? Just bring Twardzik back if that's our strategy.. maybe we can hire Mookie Blaylock and Tom Gugliotta and Donyell Marshall and Bob Sura and Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Clifford Robinson and Jamal Crawford to consult on how to execute this strategy just right

If they make any deals, it be towards recouping value of players showing value while they still can. Wiggins and JK should be at the top of that list, and maybe TJD as well. If he even has value, but I guess some teams might need a 2nd/3rd string C type

Zion is borderline a top 10 player when he’s on the court. Getting him for a 1st or 2 is not mortgaging the future. Especially if you can put protections on those 1sts.

Not making a deal for a borderline top 10 player who is young and has multiple outs in his contract because the coaching staff is trash is horrible. If Zion does take his professionalism seriously and is taught how to be a professional then he will stay longer than Kerr will, hell it may even be an impetus to get rid of Kerr earlier.

Hell if Zion actually does turn it around he will be better than anyone in this draft most likely.

What are zions biggest issues? Weight and professionalism. He has weight clauses in his contract. He actually looks a lot slimmer than whatever year he blew up like a marshmallow. Professionalism, who was he supposed to learn from? BI who looks like he’s baked half the damn time? Gayle benson who is too cheap to have a separate medical staff from the pels and the saints? If Zion can’t learn from Steph and dray to be a professional, whom dray had to fight through his own weight issues then Zion will be a loss cause. But his upside is worth jk and this years 1st and maybe a protected 27 1st.

[wco81]

Pelicans will look for a haul of draft picks, like what Utah got for Donovan Mitchell or the Spurs got from Hawks for DJM.

Zion turns 25 in July.

I think he's signed until like 27 or 28.

How good will he be in the late 20s? Aside from weight and all the injury issues he's had in his early 20s, he relies on his athleticism.

Will it still be there when he's 28? Will his injury and availability be any better then?

Because if you give up a lot of draft picks, you want Zion to become the new face of the team after Curry. That would mean being on the team for 10 years, into his mid 30s.

I haven't watched him this year, but Draymond defended him pretty well. He mainly wants to get to the rim and his jump shot from midrange or 3 point range is unreliable. If he could make the 10-15 foot pull up jumpers, he'd be even more lethal but seems like he's mostly interested in getting to the restricted area.

He's almost unstoppable doing so. However, that's a pretty one-dimensional game and unlikely to age well.

[SpreeS]

Zion is 6y in the league. What signs do you suggest that he could be 1st guy on contending team? I didn’t see them. To get him GSW would lose draft picks, Wiggs/Green, young or role players and would get injury prone with weight issues player…very smart move. Zion is a player who played 44% of regular seasons games and has 0 games in PO.

[Onus]

There’s speculation it would only take 1 1st to get Zion. So hardly mortgaging the future or banking on Zion for 10 years.

You don’t need to trade Wiggins or green to get him.

He was the best player on the floor in a play in game featuring LeBron and ad.

Tbh I rather Zion develop a post game rather than a jump shot only because his jumper looks broken while his touch on flip shots is immaculate. But yea I wouldn’t bank on Zion to be great past 32. So another 8 years. If he makes it 8 years on the team and he only cost you a 1st maybe 2 then that’s a win.

Zion is the only player available that will actually be able to get Steph shots. Can you imagine Zion getting down hill after teams blitz Steph in a pick and roll?

[Twinkie defense]

Zion is fool's gold.

Also, the best ability is availability.

[HiRez]

Man, you guys will imagine myriad reasons to avoid making any move, and that's why this team is stuck in the middle of nowhere. Just like the Warriors FO, you're all paralyzed. No, I don't have all the answers either, I don't know what the perfect move is, but doing nothing from where they are right keeps you in NBA Hell. I'd rather they take a big swing and flame out instead of watching Ball 4 go by.

Zion + Steph is something worth tuning in for, it's ratings gold. With this current team, it's honestly difficult to even sit through a whole game, yes, even with Steph and Draymond playing. I want to either watch stars or really promising young players who might be one someday. I don't give up 2.5 hours of my time or $400 a ticket to watch the likes of Moody, Podz, Slowmo, Schröder, Hield, or Gui **** Santos who can't hit a shot or even make a simple layup to save their lives. These guys are at best mediocre role players but probably closer to scrubs. Not only does that make for bad entertainment, as we're seeing it doesn't win a lot of games either.

They lost to the **** 8-win Raptors after 2 full days of rest, wake up people!! You think this team is going to be saved by preserving a few mid-level draft picks? We'll see how Lacob feels once people stop tuning in to the broadcasts and stop making a night at Chase Center a priority.