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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#281 » by Onus » Thu Mar 27, 2025 6:31 pm

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What about chemistry, if Kerr doesn't find the right rotation for this team, they're as good as done unless Curry or Butler can just carry the team. Butler's addition was pretty seamless, he's an offensive hub that isn't looking to score but run the offense and trying to make the right play, Kuminga came back (hadn't played with Butler yet) and from my limited view, he's been looking for his shot above everything else which leads to the ball stopping for his offense which is why his teammates quit moving because they know they're not going to get the ball, this also drops Butler's value on the offensive side since he's a midrange and in scorer, the spots where Kuminga wants to go.

Like I mentioned, if Kerr can't figure out the lineups/rotations, this team is going to be out early. This team was GOOD in the non-Curry minutes after Butler arrived, but the team looks completely different since the Denver game and a lot of that has to do with effort, something a guy like Santos brought more of before his minutes got cut because of Kuminga. Not saying Santos is better than Kuminga, Kuminga is going to make a hell of a lot more money in the NBA than Santos, but this team needs a big as an energy 3&d guy just to keep the overall team energy up, energy can be contagious.

It's absolutely incredible how different this team looks over the last 5-6 games and it's not just about the offense; it's the defense too and Curry being out shouldn't really affect that side of the court.

Kerr will cut JK's minutes in the playoffs if he has to, but he will give him playing time up until the play in game.

JK's insertion really has screwed up a lot of people's rhythm because no one knows who is going to play and everyone's flow is off.


GS needs a lot of games to figure this out, if Kuminga is retained maybe next year they can figure it out better because adding someone like Butler at max money in the last half of the season is usually tough to figure out with the more different types of players there are on the team and Kuminga is unlike anyone else on the roster. I haven't been here long watching this team, but I would have thought Kerr would have been working Kuminga in pick and rolls with Curry and Podz, I would think that would be a good play to go to on a regular basis, it's worked pretty well with Curry and Butler. It's just weird that a talent like Kuminga hasn't forced the coaching staff to play him more (which should have happened in his 3rd year), maybe skipping college for the G League Ignite was a horrible idea for his overall career, college probably would have helped him greatly.

JK actually did go to the media to get more playing time. His camp leaked he wasn't happy and then all of a sudden he got more playing time. The problem with JK is that he doesn't set good picks, then he's not a good decision maker in the short roll either. Plus when they switch it just ends up with JK taking more midrange jumpers. They've been more successful with the inverted pick and roll with him, downhill driving.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#282 » by EvanZ » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:23 pm

I think the best outcome with JK is some sort of S&T if possible. Ideally S&T and ship him off for Cam Johnson. That woudl be a real functional upgrade for this team. I don't know how it works out salary-wise or if it's even possible. Cam makes $22M /year and JK wants a lot more than that.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#283 » by cpower » Thu Mar 27, 2025 7:59 pm

EvanZ wrote:I think the best outcome with JK is some sort of S&T if possible. Ideally S&T and ship him off for Cam Johnson. That woudl be a real functional upgrade for this team. I don't know how it works out salary-wise or if it's even possible. Cam makes $22M /year and JK wants a lot more than that.

Nets would just sign him straight then...why trading for him?
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#284 » by statsman » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:09 pm

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EvanZ wrote:I think the best outcome with JK is some sort of S&T if possible. Ideally S&T and ship him off for Cam Johnson. That woudl be a real functional upgrade for this team. I don't know how it works out salary-wise or if it's even possible. Cam makes $22M /year and JK wants a lot more than that.

Nets would just sign him straight then...why trading for him?

Doing so would require the Nets to forfeit any available traded player exceptions that might be available this offseason. They would have to clear enough cap holds to make salary room, likely requiring them to renounce the rights to certain players. Also, using cap space to sign a player outright limits a team to the Room MLE. In 2024-25, this was $7.983M, compared to the full MLE of $12.822M (above the cap but below the first apron).

Teams almost always want to stay above the cap when factoring in all of their cap holds and exceptions, so a S&T can allow them to accomplish that. Usually, they'll pitch a 2nd round pick to the signing team to make that happen. The signing of Klay with the Mavs ended up being a multi-team S&T.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#285 » by AirP. » Thu Mar 27, 2025 8:17 pm

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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#286 » by vvoland » Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:38 pm

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Onus wrote:Exactly let Steph get his rest now. Hell can even sit Dray and Jimmy if we really wanted to but Jimmy seems to have throttled down already. It'd be really hard to drop to 9 being almost 6 games up on 9th. Plus you get to choose your opponent/side of the bracket if we can win the 1st play in game. I feel more comfortable winning in a single elimination game with Jimmy on the team now. The only reason to want 6 is for the rest, but if the vets are getting the rest now instead of in a month does it really matter all that much?


What about chemistry, if Kerr doesn't find the right rotation for this team, they're as good as done unless Curry or Butler can just carry the team. Butler's addition was pretty seamless, he's an offensive hub that isn't looking to score but run the offense and trying to make the right play, Kuminga came back (hadn't played with Butler yet) and from my limited view, he's been looking for his shot above everything else which leads to the ball stopping for his offense which is why his teammates quit moving because they know they're not going to get the ball, this also drops Butler's value on the offensive side since he's a midrange and in scorer, the spots where Kuminga wants to go.

Like I mentioned, if Kerr can't figure out the lineups/rotations, this team is going to be out early. This team was GOOD in the non-Curry minutes after Butler arrived, but the team looks completely different since the Denver game and a lot of that has to do with effort, something a guy like Santos brought more of before his minutes got cut because of Kuminga. Not saying Santos is better than Kuminga, Kuminga is going to make a hell of a lot more money in the NBA than Santos, but this team needs a big as an energy 3&d guy just to keep the overall team energy up, energy can be contagious.

It's absolutely incredible how different this team looks over the last 5-6 games and it's not just about the offense; it's the defense too and Curry being out shouldn't really affect that side of the court.

Kerr will cut JK's minutes in the playoffs if he has to, but he will give him playing time up until the play in game.

JK's insertion really has screwed up a lot of people's rhythm because no one knows who is going to play and everyone's flow is off.



I mean, we wouldn't even have to shut these guys down as much as just throttle the minutes down and focus not on "chasing wins' but instead on developing chemistry in the lineups that matter for the playoffs (how to integrate podz/moody/jk/qp/gui into rotations built around steph/dray/jimmy). Give the 3 stars prolonged minutes with the "kids" to see how they integrate, if at all. I assume 2 or even 3 of the 5 people above can find a new fit, better role, with the vets. I'd much rather finish 8th with JK, Podz, and Moody all playing confidently/efficiently than being in 6 with JK relegated to the bench and Moody and Podz struggling to make shots.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#287 » by vvoland » Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:39 pm

EvanZ wrote:I think the best outcome with JK is some sort of S&T if possible. Ideally S&T and ship him off for Cam Johnson. That woudl be a real functional upgrade for this team. I don't know how it works out salary-wise or if it's even possible. Cam makes $22M /year and JK wants a lot more than that.



I think the best outcome is JK starts hitting his 3pt shot and that, more than anything else he's done, opens up the rest of his game. It impacts his rebounding, defense, etc. He stops hunting the mid range and pressing inside the line when he has confidence in his 3. When he doesn't, his offense really becomes forced as he's looking to compensate with other scoring options instead of in other aspects of the game.
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Post#288 » by AirP. » Thu Mar 27, 2025 9:47 pm

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Post#290 » by statsman » Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:30 pm

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Post#291 » by vvoland » Thu Mar 27, 2025 10:38 pm

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I know I'm in the minority but this may be just what JK needs. If he's getting minutes doing GP2 things (defending, rebounding, cutting, running the floor, moving the ball, etc.) and continues to get into the lineup, maybe even close, without scoring a bunch, he may actually believe that's how he should play.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#292 » by cpower » Thu Mar 27, 2025 11:41 pm

This is really bad for us. more mins for JK and this could mean the end for us. GP2 is one off the most consistent players we have and he is gone.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#293 » by marthafokker » Fri Mar 28, 2025 1:45 am

JK has his issue, but if starters get only 15 points in 1 half is not an issue, then you guys need more of the same stuff you guys are smoking to work.
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Post#294 » by EvanZ » Fri Mar 28, 2025 1:49 am

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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#295 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:17 am

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I know I'm in the minority but this may be just what JK needs. If he's getting minutes doing GP2 things (defending, rebounding, cutting, running the floor, moving the ball, etc.) and continues to get into the lineup, maybe even close, without scoring a bunch, he may actually believe that's how he should play.


That's kinda how he was playing before he got hurt. He was coming off the bench and playing off of steph, wiggins, and dray off cuts, transition, and open set shots. The steady diet of isos and mid game was limited. Imo, that was his best stretch of basketball this year. He can clearly play that role, the question has always been; does he want to? We all know his default is to go kobe.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#296 » by Onus » Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:36 am

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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#297 » by HiRez » Fri Mar 28, 2025 2:58 am

Onus wrote:Chicago with the miracle 9 points in 10 seconds!!

Giddey is absolutely killing it lately, to the Warriors advantage.
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Post#298 » by AirP. » Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:17 am

Onus wrote:Chicago with the miracle 9 points in 10 seconds!!

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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#299 » by superunknown » Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:49 am

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Onus wrote:Chicago with the miracle 9 points in 10 seconds!!

Giddey is absolutely killing it lately, to the Warriors advantage.


lechoke as well.
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Re: 5th Seed Watch (was 6th Seed Watch) 

Post#300 » by floppymoose » Fri Mar 28, 2025 5:56 pm

Likely need to go 9-1 to avoid the play-in. 8-2 if they win the LAC game.

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