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[wco81]

For whom would the Warriors send out those 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032 picks?

Would they still own their 2027, 2029 and 2031 picks?

About the only top 10 player who could be available would be Giannis and given the lack of shooting on the team, I don't know that Giannis helps that much and his downhill game may not age well. He's had key injuries to hurt the Bucks' playoffs chances the last few years.

I can't think of many top 10 or top 20 players who'd be both available and be worth trading all those FRPs.

[AirP.]

For whom would the Warriors send out those 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2032 picks?

Would they still own their 2027, 2029 and 2031 picks?

About the only top 10 player who could be available would be Giannis and given the lack of shooting on the team, I don't know that Giannis helps that much and his downhill game may not age well. He's had key injuries to hurt the Bucks' playoffs chances the last few years.

I can't think of many top 10 or top 20 players who'd be both available and be worth trading all those FRPs.

You can't trade consecutive year picks because of the Sepien rule. You can trade swaps of any season.

I probably wouldn't trade picks from 2028 on UNLESS you get a young stud so the drop off after Curry is done isn't nearly as bad or you're a strong contender to win a championship with Curry.

[DonaldSanders]

I could see us throwing in our 2026 pick in a Kuminga S&T to get a good win-now 3&D guy, maybe a Cam Johnson type. At this point you have to think of Kuminga as salary filler with potential in trades, teams might be willing to take a flier on him but you're giving something to get one of their vets.

The only way I see us packaging multiple picks in a deal is if we somehow luck into some magical fantasy Giannis trade, which ain't happening. I think the FO sees the team as a contender that needs some upgrades, so maybe 1 trade, 1 signing, then maybe 1 bargain guy like Melton coming back on a cheap 1yr deal to prove himself. 2 guys that can do 3&D perimeter stuff, and a center.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I could see us throwing in our 2026 pick in a Kuminga S&T to get a good win-now 3&D guy, maybe a Cam Johnson type. At this point you have to think of Kuminga as salary filler with potential in trades, teams might be willing to take a flier on him but you're giving something to get one of their vets.

The only way I see us packaging multiple picks in a deal is if we somehow luck into some magical fantasy Giannis trade, which ain't happening. I think the FO sees the team as a contender that needs some upgrades, so maybe 1 trade, 1 signing, then maybe 1 bargain guy like Melton coming back on a cheap 1yr deal to prove himself. 2 guys that can do 3&D perimeter stuff, and a center.

There is literally no path to cam Johnson. (I think).

If we assume the nets want kuminga, then they can sign him to an offer sheet because they have the space. Thus forcing mjd into a very bad situation.

If it's a sign and trade (byc), the nets would need to give him like a full max instead of getting him for much less.

None of this includes all the picks we'd have to include just to get the nets on the phone about a johnson/kuminga swap.

I dont think a kuminga deal materialized. I think itll be a match or not situation. If he even gets an offer, but I'm sure some team will just to screw the dubs over.

Steph, Jimmy, and dray taking up 140M of the 140M cap is problematic.

[Old_Blue]

I could see us throwing in our 2026 pick in a Kuminga S&T to get a good win-now 3&D guy, maybe a Cam Johnson type.

Cam Johnson is more of a 3&NoD type of player.

[Nvnervous45]

Kuminga and a 1st is the max I'd give up for cam johnson. Multiple 1st and you're shite-canning our future for a good, not great 29 year old.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Kuminga and a 1st is the max I'd give up for cam johnson. Multiple 1st and you're shite-canning our future for a good, not great 29 year old.

If it only took 1 first for cam, they would have gotten him last year. Its why we onky got Schroeder.

[Nvnervous45]

1st and kuminga. I don't think we offered that.... again he's essentially andrew wiggins, with less athletics and 3% better on his 3 point shot....again this is fair market value for cam, whether or not the Nets think so remains to be seen.
If the price of cam johnson is 2 1st's and kuminga, if i'm mdj I'm keeping our assets.

[vvoland]

We have the following salaries to trade this summer(beyond Steph, dray, Jimmy):

Moody 11.5m
Buddy 9.2m
Podz 3.7m
Tjd 2.2m
Gui 2.2m
Post 2m

That's only 30.8m and 6 players going out so not a lot to work with. Trading mid season makes a lot more sense when we can add the MLE 7?-15m if non-tax vs tax.

Trading jk is going to be hard. An rfa in a s&t rarely brings value and he'll have a no trade clause if he's back on the QO. I'm sure he and his agent are looking hard at all 29 teams but we'll see if the nets bite.

Our cleanest way to get Cam (or any player around 20m) would be to trade moody/buddy + pick.

4 frps and 4 swaps, 2 of each being after Steph's current contract is enticing enough to land an off brand star (Zion or something). Will it be enough to get Giannis? Only if sas, hou, and okc all balk. It's kd worth that haul + dray and the entire roster for contract matching purposes? Probably not

How about moody + top 5 protected frp for cobi white?

[wco81]

Only Brooklyn has the cap space to offer JK over $30 million. But there are other potential free agents. For instance Randle has played like a top 10 player in the playoffs so far. I think Naz Reid also has a player option for next season which is well below market value.

Then you have teams like the Celtics which may look to shed salaries. So maybe JK may not get many offers.

[AirP.]

Only Brooklyn has the cap space to offer JK over $30 million. But there are other potential free agents. For instance Randle has played like a top 10 player in the playoffs so far. I think Naz Reid also has a player option for next season which is well below market value.

Then you have teams like the Celtics which may look to shed salaries. So maybe JK may not get many offers.

It only takes one offer. Teams could clear cap to give Kuminga an offer sheet. If they're going to play an offense that can utilize Kuminga's talents then it may be more than worth it for a young rebuilding team. It's also possible that a team plays dirty by front loading the contract and have it descend each year to make GS think about the tax costs the first 2 years of the extension.

Detroit, Memphis and Chicago could all get there. Say Chicago moved Vučević to Detroit or Brooklyn and took back 5 or less million back with say a 2nd (maybe not even that) round pick. Brooklyn probably could just hold onto Vučević and trade him at the deadline for way more than they gave up.

[Impuniti]

Kuminga and a 1st is the max I'd give up for cam johnson. Multiple 1st and you're shite-canning our future for a good, not great 29 year old.

If it only took 1 first for cam, they would have gotten him last year. Its why we onky got Schroeder.

That was before JK averaged 25PPG in 4 playoff games.

[vvoland]

Kuminga and a 1st is the max I'd give up for cam johnson. Multiple 1st and you're shite-canning our future for a good, not great 29 year old.

If it only took 1 first for cam, they would have gotten him last year. Its why we onky got Schroeder.

That was before JK averaged 25PPG in 4 playoff games.

We cannot S&T JK for Cam, unless xdrta or another cap expert corrects me:

In a S&T we can only bring back 50% of JK's salary. Cam makes 20.5 next year. Meaning the 1st year of JK's extension has to be at 41M and, I believe, his max contract can start at no more than 38M. That last part is where xdrta comes in.

This is before we get to the fact that no one, not even JK's parents, would be willing to offer him the full rookie max (5/200+). I love JK's promise but he's shown nothing, even when taking Kerr's rotation into account, to think he would get a 5/150 this summer even if there was a 2016-esque cap spike. There are only a few teams that can afford to pay JK 41M next season after sending us a 20M player. I don't think any of them are interested in doing so. But again, I don't believe they could, even if they wanted to, due to rookie extension limits.

[xdrta+]

In a S&T we can only bring back 50% of JK's salary. Cam makes 20.5 next year. Meaning the 1st year of JK's extension has to be at 41M and, I believe, his max contract can start at no more than 38M.

The problem is the 1st apron. A team under the first apron can take back salary they send out (up to $29M) + 7.5M. They're then hard-capped at the 1st apron. For instance, if JK signed for $26,086,956 to S&T for Johnson, 50% of his salary plus $7.5M would exactly equal Johnson's salary, so a legal trade. But they would be just $4.4M under the hard cap with 10 players, so they couldn't fill the roster, as is.

They would have to dump some salary. Hield or Moody with little or no salary coming back would be the most room, Podz would be very tight, the lesser salaries wouldn't help much since they would have to be replaced by minimums anyway.

IMO, any S&T that hard caps them will be impractical. Matching an offer sheet, simply signing him, or a small enough S&T salary won't hard cap them. With their salary structure, they could live with a 2nd apron hard cap but a 1st apron would be just too tight to do much, if anything. Just my opinion and maybe the FO will prove me wrong.

[statsman]

In a S&T we can only bring back 50% of JK's salary. Cam makes 20.5 next year. Meaning the 1st year of JK's extension has to be at 41M and, I believe, his max contract can start at no more than 38M.

The problem is the 1st apron. A team under the first apron can take back salary they send out (up to $29M) + 7.5M. They're then hard-capped at the 1st apron. For instance, if JK signed for $26,086,956 to S&T for Johnson, 50% of his salary plus $7.5M would exactly equal Johnson's salary, so a legal trade. But they would be just $4.4M under the hard cap with 10 players, so they couldn't fill the roster, as is.

I thought the team that gets hard capped is the one *receiving* a S&T player?

[vvoland]

In a S&T we can only bring back 50% of JK's salary. Cam makes 20.5 next year. Meaning the 1st year of JK's extension has to be at 41M and, I believe, his max contract can start at no more than 38M.

The problem is the 1st apron. A team under the first apron can take back salary they send out (up to $29M) + 7.5M. They're then hard-capped at the 1st apron. For instance, if JK signed for $26,086,956 to S&T for Johnson, 50% of his salary plus $7.5M would exactly equal Johnson's salary, so a legal trade. But they would be just $4.4M under the hard cap with 10 players, so they couldn't fill the roster, as is.

They would have to dump some salary. Hield or Moody with little or no salary coming back would be the most room, Podz would be very tight, the lesser salaries wouldn't help much since they would have to be replaced by minimums anyway.

IMO, any S&T that hard caps them will be impractical. Matching an offer sheet, simply signing him, or a small enough S&T salary won't hard cap them. With their salary structure, they could live with a 2nd apron hard cap but a 1st apron would be just too tight to do much, if anything. Just my opinion and maybe the FO will prove me wrong.

That's right, that's the caveat I forgot, if you're ok being under the 1st apron you can do the S&T you described. With Jimmy and Steph, not to mention Dray, there is no way for us to be hard capped at the 1st apron so, effectively, a S&T for JK has to bring back no more than 50%, right?

[vvoland]

the cleanest way to get cam is Moody + Buddy (plus at least 1 pick, I'd guess). Or we could keep Buddy and match Moody with Podz, TJD, Gui, and Spencer aka the santa cruz poo poo platter. Depending on how high the nets are on Podz, maybe we even get a pick swap back?

[xdrta+]

In a S&T we can only bring back 50% of JK's salary. Cam makes 20.5 next year. Meaning the 1st year of JK's extension has to be at 41M and, I believe, his max contract can start at no more than 38M.

The problem is the 1st apron. A team under the first apron can take back salary they send out (up to $29M) + 7.5M. They're then hard-capped at the 1st apron. For instance, if JK signed for $26,086,956 to S&T for Johnson, 50% of his salary plus $7.5M would exactly equal Johnson's salary, so a legal trade. But they would be just $4.4M under the hard cap with 10 players, so they couldn't fill the roster, as is.

I thought the team that gets hard capped is the one *receiving* a S&T player?

Of course, but if you take more salary back than you send out it's a first apron restriction and you're hard-capped.

[Crazy-Canuck]

the cleanest way to get cam is Moody + Buddy (plus at least 1 pick, I'd guess). Or we could keep Buddy and match Moody with Podz, TJD, Gui, and Spencer aka the santa cruz poo poo platter. Depending on how high the nets are on Podz, maybe we even get a pick swap back?

The other issue i would have with cam is that he's a stretch 4, but not strong enough to contain strong 4s yet not capable of hanging with athletic and quick perimeter players. With him, jk, Jimmy, and dray, that's essentially 4 guys whose best position is a 4. His spacing be needed and it should work to pile up regular season wins. I just don't think itll work in the playoffs. A Bruce brown type would be a better fit and cost much less.