2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Mylie10]

I love how someone says they doubt Wiseman can shoot a good percentage shooting on the run, lol

And then completely ignore how bad Ball and Edwards shooting percentages are. It’s laughable.

Why would you want Wiseman shooting on the run anyhow? Or any other big man for that matter. I get the balance point. But again, whoever the rookie is coming in if we make a draft pick, I wouldn’t want them taking shots from Steph or Klay by shooting on the run, lol. That term makes me laugh.

I want whatever rookie we pick to only be taking open shots. And guess what helps Steph and Klay get good shots?.......guys who set good screens. I wonder if there’s a guy in the draft who could do that? Hmmm

The nitpicking about foul trouble is also head scratching. One game where he picked up a couple of early tick tack fouls, does not equate to a foul prone big man. However, any rookie picked will most likely be picked on by the refs, no matter which position the rookie plays. It’s just the way of the League as it stands now.

I love the hoops so many jump through to find faults with Wiseman. Yet then ignoring the many faults of those they think we should pick. Often the same complaints. It’s weird.

I can say that Ball is a gifted passer, and has really good vision, but then I must be honest and say he has horrible shooting numbers, and is not a good defender at all....like at all.

I love Bogut, but I guarantee he didn’t do a full draft study of Ball. He simply gave an opinion based on the times he played against him. That has value, but what is supposed to do? Trash the kid? Lol

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I love how someone says they doubt Wiseman can shoot a good percentage shooting on the run, lol

And then completely ignore how bad Ball and Edwards shooting percentages are. It’s laughable.

Why would you want Wiseman shooting on the run anyhow? Or any other big man for that matter. I get the balance point. But again, whoever the rookie is coming in if we make a draft pick, I wouldn’t want them taking shots from Steph or Klay by shooting on the run, lol. That term makes me laugh.

I want whatever rookie we pick to only be taking open shots. And guess what helps Steph and Klay get good shots?.......guys who set good screens. I wonder if there’s a guy in the draft who could do that? Hmmm

The nitpicking about foul trouble is also head scratching. One game where he picked up a couple of early tick tack fouls, does not equate to a foul prone big man. However, any rookie picked will most likely be picked on by the refs, no matter which position the rookie plays. It’s just the way of the League as it stands now.

I love the hoops so many jump through to find faults with Wiseman. Yet then ignoring the many faults of those they think we should pick. Often the same complaints. It’s weird.

I can say that Ball is a gifted passer, and has really good vision, but then I must be honest and say he has horrible shooting numbers, and is not a good defender at all....like at all.

I love Bogut, but I guarantee he didn’t do a full draft study of Ball. He simply gave an opinion based on the times he played against him. That has value, but what is supposed to do? Trash the kid? Lol

THATS EXACTLY THE KIND OF WORDS I USED IN THE EARLIER POST. Any pro baller would never trash a player (albeit, a young one), ever. Only in heated competition where they can make it personal.

I’m not denying his natural gifts for passing the rock, but his defense and shooting/shot selection is very suspect from what I’ve watched. Like I said: Does Curry and the gang have time for him to develop his game? They’re in a WIN-NOW mode if you guys have forgotten, already. If we draft him, it’s only to package him to a team that really wants him in exchange for either a quality player or future draft picks. Simple enough.

[Scoots1994]

I love how someone says they doubt Wiseman can shoot a good percentage shooting on the run, lol

And then completely ignore how bad Ball and Edwards shooting percentages are. It’s laughable.

Why would you want Wiseman shooting on the run anyhow? Or any other big man for that matter. I get the balance point. But again, whoever the rookie is coming in if we make a draft pick, I wouldn’t want them taking shots from Steph or Klay by shooting on the run, lol. That term makes me laugh.

I want whatever rookie we pick to only be taking open shots. And guess what helps Steph and Klay get good shots?.......guys who set good screens. I wonder if there’s a guy in the draft who could do that? Hmmm

The nitpicking about foul trouble is also head scratching. One game where he picked up a couple of early tick tack fouls, does not equate to a foul prone big man. However, any rookie picked will most likely be picked on by the refs, no matter which position the rookie plays. It’s just the way of the League as it stands now.

I love the hoops so many jump through to find faults with Wiseman. Yet then ignoring the many faults of those they think we should pick. Often the same complaints. It’s weird.

I can say that Ball is a gifted passer, and has really good vision, but then I must be honest and say he has horrible shooting numbers, and is not a good defender at all....like at all.

I love Bogut, but I guarantee he didn’t do a full draft study of Ball. He simply gave an opinion based on the times he played against him. That has value, but what is supposed to do? Trash the kid? Lol

I think a lot of this is just a natural progression of having WAY too much time and WAY too little data.

The top of this draft is a lot of question marks.

No question if Wiseman's questions all have good answers then he may well be the best player in this draft.

Of course the same is true of Ball and Edwards and possibly a few other players.

The odds are most of those questions will be answered poorly for most of the players, that's the way it is in most drafts, it's just that in this draft there are more questions and fewer answers going in than typical drafts.

[jason bourne]

Did you pipe up when some fans of drafting James Wiseman compared his game to David Robinson? What world do those fans live in? The Bizarro world?

Clearly, you do not have a good comparison of LaMelo Ball's game. Recently, we got news that the Warriors weren't going to draft him. That's crazy. It sounds like something LaVar Ball had to do with because he doesn't like what the Warriors plan to do with his son like draft him and then let him play for a bit to showcase him for a trade. It's one possibility, but the Warriors would rather work out a trade before the draft.

'As for how good a player LaMelo is, I got a recent comparison from Andrew Bogut who saw him after his team played against him:

"Trailing the play, Andrew Bogut had the perfect vantage point. He watched as 19-year-old phenom LaMelo Ball hopped in transition, skipped an around-the-back dribble and shuttled a pass to his teammate, wide open in the corner.

Bogut’s Sydney Kings ended up defeating Ball’s Illawarra Hawks in November, but Bogut, the former Warriors center who played this past season in Australia’s National Basketball League, came away impressed with Ball, one of the top prospects in this year’s NBA draft.

“He has a chance to be a very good pro,” Bogut told the Bay Area News Group in a phone interview. “His playmaking ability, when we played him, he seemed to make the right decisions every time down the floor.”'
...

"Ball’s skills jibe with a modern, up-tempo offense. As evidenced in the play Bogut watched, he displays excellent vision and feel in transition. He looks for his teammates and gets them the ball in position to score. Using a comparison often made by scouts, Bogut likens Ball’s game to pass-first floor generals Jason Kidd and Rajon Rondo."

Warriors at No. 2: Breaking down how LaMelo Ball’s passing genius would fit Golden State
https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2020/09/23/analyzing-if-the-warriors-should-draft-lamelo-ball-with-the-no-2-pick/

Thus, if the Warriors are making trades for the need to win now, then they have to know what type of player they have. Unfortunately, there are no impact big man who can make the difference for the Warriors at the top of the draft; They may be good backup players or spot starters right away, but won't be a star to replace Draymond. That's the kind of player the Warriors are looking for.

Nice post. Lamelo gets a lot of hate on this board. Ill take Boguts word over any of the wannabe talent scouts that post here. Because after all, he’s the only one who has played against him and watched him up close.Truth is, all of the top 4 picks have huge red flags so all of the gms are really just making their best “educated guess”. Ill route for whoever we pick.

I watched the game they played each other. Ball had a pretty strong game but was in foul trouble. Only played around 25mins but still finished with something like 16/9/8

He's an American hs kid in the pros doing what Luka Doncic did during his teen years. LaMelo went to Europe and turned pro as best as he could. This should be close to the type of game we should expect to see in the pros right away.

Now, who can the Warriors get for a Jason Kidd in the making? It's hard to speculate right now as we still need to go through draft workouts and evaluations.

[Mylie10]

I love how someone says they doubt Wiseman can shoot a good percentage shooting on the run, lol

And then completely ignore how bad Ball and Edwards shooting percentages are. It’s laughable.

Why would you want Wiseman shooting on the run anyhow? Or any other big man for that matter. I get the balance point. But again, whoever the rookie is coming in if we make a draft pick, I wouldn’t want them taking shots from Steph or Klay by shooting on the run, lol. That term makes me laugh.

I want whatever rookie we pick to only be taking open shots. And guess what helps Steph and Klay get good shots?.......guys who set good screens. I wonder if there’s a guy in the draft who could do that? Hmmm

The nitpicking about foul trouble is also head scratching. One game where he picked up a couple of early tick tack fouls, does not equate to a foul prone big man. However, any rookie picked will most likely be picked on by the refs, no matter which position the rookie plays. It’s just the way of the League as it stands now.

I love the hoops so many jump through to find faults with Wiseman. Yet then ignoring the many faults of those they think we should pick. Often the same complaints. It’s weird.

I can say that Ball is a gifted passer, and has really good vision, but then I must be honest and say he has horrible shooting numbers, and is not a good defender at all....like at all.

I love Bogut, but I guarantee he didn’t do a full draft study of Ball. He simply gave an opinion based on the times he played against him. That has value, but what is supposed to do? Trash the kid? Lol

I think a lot of this is just a natural progression of having WAY too much time and WAY too little data.

The top of this draft is a lot of question marks.

No question if Wiseman's questions all have good answers then he may well be the best player in this draft.

Of course the same is true of Ball and Edwards and possibly a few other players.

The odds are most of those questions will be answered poorly for most of the players, that's the way it is in most drafts, it's just that in this draft there are more questions and fewer answers going in than typical drafts.

Your opinion versus my opinion. All good

And to be clear I’m not going off of 3 college games, you guys are.

[Mylie10]

Australia is not in Europe

And Jason Kidd was one of the best guard defenders in the history of the game. Nice try

[jason bourne]

After 3 games Wiseman is foul Prone now? You know it was only 1 game he had 3 fouls right? The other 2 games he had only 1 foul. Too early to determine that unless we are going back to his high school tape, but it's fine if you wanna label him foul prone. Any other C will get in foul trouble that we acquire in FA defending Bron/AD so I doubt that matters

Wiseman averaged 23.0 mpg at Memphis. He had 2.9 fouls per 40. I can see him getting into foul trouble if other bigs like Joel Embiid decide to take it to his punk ass.

[Mylie10]

Every rookie drafted will have foul issues. Every single one. It’s the way of the League.

Next

[ShayDee]

After 3 games Wiseman is foul Prone now? You know it was only 1 game he had 3 fouls right? The other 2 games he had only 1 foul. Too early to determine that unless we are going back to his high school tape, but it's fine if you wanna label him foul prone. Any other C will get in foul trouble that we acquire in FA defending Bron/AD so I doubt that matters

Wiseman averaged 23.0 mpg at Memphis. He had 2.9 fouls per 40. I can see him getting into foul trouble if other bigs like Joel Embiid decide to take it to his punk ass.

Onyeka 3.5 fouls per 40, he's bad, Okoro 3.5 fouls, yuck, Vassell 2.7 , Edwards 2.6, Deni 3.4, Lamelo 3.0 Precious 3.1, Jalen Smith 3.0, Oturu 3.2, Patrick Williams 2.9, Saddiq Bey 2.9, etc etc etc etc.

Bro please find another argument. What basis are you using this as a knock but ignore every single other prospect? You going to doubt they won't foul out too?

[Little Digger]

I love how someone says they doubt Wiseman can shoot a good percentage shooting on the run, lol

And then completely ignore how bad Ball and Edwards shooting percentages are. It’s laughable.

Why would you want Wiseman shooting on the run anyhow? Or any other big man for that matter. I get the balance point. But again, whoever the rookie is coming in if we make a draft pick, I wouldn’t want them taking shots from Steph or Klay by shooting on the run, lol. That term makes me laugh.

I want whatever rookie we pick to only be taking open shots. And guess what helps Steph and Klay get good shots?.......guys who set good screens. I wonder if there’s a guy in the draft who could do that? Hmmm

The nitpicking about foul trouble is also head scratching. One game where he picked up a couple of early tick tack fouls, does not equate to a foul prone big man. However, any rookie picked will most likely be picked on by the refs, no matter which position the rookie plays. It’s just the way of the League as it stands now.

I love the hoops so many jump through to find faults with Wiseman. Yet then ignoring the many faults of those they think we should pick. Often the same complaints. It’s weird.

I can say that Ball is a gifted passer, and has really good vision, but then I must be honest and say he has horrible shooting numbers, and is not a good defender at all....like at all.

I love Bogut, but I guarantee he didn’t do a full draft study of Ball. He simply gave an opinion based on the times he played against him. That has value, but what is supposed to do? Trash the kid? Lol

I think a lot of this is just a natural progression of having WAY too much time and WAY too little data.

The top of this draft is a lot of question marks.

No question if Wiseman's questions all have good answers then he may well be the best player in this draft.

Of course the same is true of Ball and Edwards and possibly a few other players.

The odds are most of those questions will be answered poorly for most of the players, that's the way it is in most drafts, it's just that in this draft there are more questions and fewer answers going in than typical drafts.

Your opinion versus my opinion. All good

And to be clear I’m not going off of 3 college games, you guys are.

so what are you going off of?

I’ve yet to see him defend the basket with any kind of passion , high bball IQ or exceptional quickness ..maybe you have the hidden tapes?

[jason bourne]

Australia is not in Europe

And Jason Kidd was one of the best guard defenders in the history of the game. Nice try

It's a lot closer comparison than Wiseman as David Robinson lmao.

I make people look at the same things we have seen differently.

LaMelo can make all the passes now that even Kidd didn't have. His defense will come if he decides to focus on it. LaMelo blossomed in the pros as much as an American HS kid could do. The Australian league is starting to get recognition vs one and done in college. LaMelo didn't wait for college to blossom like his older brother Lonzo. He started much earlier.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/10/29/20937722/lamelo-ball-2020-nba-draft-prospect

Maybe Ws can get Ben Simmons from the Sixers. LaMelo as a young, bigger Jason Kidd matched with someone like Joel Embiid, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, et al could eat up the East. I'm not sure salary wise it can work unless the Sixers decide to pair Andrew Wiggins and Joel Embiid like at Kansas.

[Mylie10]

Yeah but Dig, you came to that conclusion in a highlight tape against Evan Mobley. Evan Mobley will be the next great player that you can get a close KD comparison. Book that too.

And I saw Mobley finishing against challenge and contact. Props to him, it speaks to how good he is, but isn’t a knock on Wiseman imo

[Mylie10]

Australia is not in Europe

And Jason Kidd was one of the best guard defenders in the history of the game. Nice try

It's a lot closer comparison than Wiseman as David Robinson lmao.

LaMelo can make all the passes now that even Kidd didn't have. His defense will come if he decides to focus on it. LaMelo blossomed in the pros as much as an American HS kid could do. The Australian league is starting to get recognition vs one and done in college. LaMelo didn't wait for college to blossom like Lonzo. He started much earlier.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/10/29/20937722/lamelo-ball-2020-nba-draft-prospect

Maybe Ws can get Ben Simmons from the Sixers. LaMelo as a bigger Jason Kidd matched with someone like Joel Embiid, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, et al could eat up the East. I'm not sure salary wise it can work unless the Sixers decide to pair Andrew Wiggins and Joel Embiid like at Kansas.

Go ahead and try and find me saying he compares to David Robinson.....go ahead, I’ll wait......until eternity.

And you said Ball had Euro experience. You said that. Lol

[Mylie10]

Oh and I watched Kidd in high school. He made all those passes and more. And he was a great defender.

Now if you had an ounce of honesty in you, you’d compare Kidd’s shooting to Balls shooting, or lack their of. I’m the point I could see a comparison, but on that and passing only.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Oh and I watched Kidd in high school. He made all those passes and more. And he was a great defender.

Now if you had an ounce of honesty in you, you’d compare Kidd’s shooting to Balls shooting, or lack their of. I’m the point I could see a comparison, but on that and passing only.

I remember(hazily) going to see the state championship between Kidd's St. Joe's and Skyline High at the Oakland Arena.

My recollections are that Kidd dominated a tough game as his team's point center(!) and the Skyline High halftime dance squad's show had the place jumping. They were dancing up and down the aisles with the fans. It was an all around great experience and a big part of why I fell in love with basketball.

[Mylie10]

Oh and I watched Kidd in high school. He made all those passes and more. And he was a great defender.

Now if you had an ounce of honesty in you, you’d compare Kidd’s shooting to Balls shooting, or lack their of. I’m the point I could see a comparison, but on that and passing only.

I remember(hazily) going to see the state championship between Kidd's St. Joe's and Skyline High at the Oakland Arena.

My recollections are that Kidd dominated a tough game as his team's point center(!) and the Skyline High halftime dance squad's show had the place jumping. They were dancing up and down the aisles with the fans. It was an all around great experience and a big part of why I fell in love with basketball.

Great story!

That run he had with Cal was epic. The game against Duke specifically. Those were the days. And then Kidd kind of turned into a douchebag.

[jason bourne]

Oh and I watched Kidd in high school. He made all those passes and more. And he was a great defender.

Now if you had an ounce of honesty in you, you’d compare Kidd’s shooting to Balls shooting, or lack their of. I’m the point I could see a comparison, but on that and passing only.

Calm down. I'm going by what Andrew Bogut said as comparison.

As to your comment, Kidd didn't play in the pros in HS. LaMelo had to go against pros after his stint at Chino Hills. Thus, they outweighed him by at least 20 lbs. They were stronger, too. All LaMelo could do was help defense and try to steal the ball. Maybe he could block a shot as help defense. He wasn't going to front his man and play great individual D. That isn't his game. I doubt Bogut was talking about defense.

If the Sixers would look at the deal, then they would see they have the defense to make up for it in other players such as Matisse Thybulle.

[wco81]

I now have TT as the best guard available ..and definitely pound for pound the best player in this draft..

Still only 6-3.

Can he shoot like Steph or finish like WB, another 6-3 guy?

Or can he defend like Smart?

Otherwise, pass. Need more length.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Australia is not in Europe

And Jason Kidd was one of the best guard defenders in the history of the game. Nice try

It's a lot closer comparison than Wiseman as David Robinson lmao.

I make people look at the same things we have seen differently.

LaMelo can make all the passes now that even Kidd didn't have. His defense will come if he decides to focus on it. LaMelo blossomed in the pros as much as an American HS kid could do. The Australian league is starting to get recognition vs one and done in college. LaMelo didn't wait for college to blossom like his older brother Lonzo. He started much earlier.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/10/29/20937722/lamelo-ball-2020-nba-draft-prospect

Maybe Ws can get Ben Simmons from the Sixers. LaMelo as a young, bigger Jason Kidd matched with someone like Joel Embiid, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, et al could eat up the East. I'm not sure salary wise it can work unless the Sixers decide to pair Andrew Wiggins and Joel Embiid like at Kansas.

Not sure why you’re constantly dragging on this narrative that he’s being compared to David Robinson? What are you trying to prove? Maybe you should be hired as a scouter since you’re a great evaluator of talent? Just to put this annoyance and utter nonsense of a discussion to its final rest, here are articles of him saying so and an NBA analyst:

https://247sports.com/Article/James-Wiseman-No-1-pick-NBA-Draft-David-Robinson-comparison-140942091/

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/james-wiseman-looking-to-model-his-game-after-a-spurs-legend

Clearly he’s trying to find a good comparison to a player. He even said he’s comparable to Anthony Davis with Richard Jefferson and Scottie Pippen. In the end, we’ll make that call and other experts when he’s 3-4 years in the league. But, dude, just stop.

[Mylie10]

Kidd often played against pros in summer. And he was strong AF. Also a great rebounder. I like Balls nose to rebound, though I wouldn’t call him a strong rebounder.

You like Ball. That’s great for you