Jimmy Butler Awesome Trade, Great Job!

[Jester_]

Warriors 18-2 when both Jimmy Butler and Stephen Curry play

and that's with one of them being a total hose job by the refs

[Onus]

Warriors 18-2 when both Jimmy Butler and Stephen Curry play

The Steph/Podz/Butler/Moody/Green starting lineup is undefeated.

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[Impuniti]

It's pretty incredible at how synergistic the 3 man game between Curry, Jimmy, Dray is. It's not a your turn my turn but they all work so well together. And they were able to do it in such a short time frame.

That's what happens when you have 3 super high IQ players. It was the same when prime Iggy was on the team a decade ago.

Yea Iguodala was good and understood what was going on, but Jimmy brings another dimension and was dropped in the middle of the season.

Well, Jimmy's a much better player so of course Smart players can usually fit in relatively quickly.

[AirP.]

That's what happens when you have 3 super high IQ players. It was the same when prime Iggy was on the team a decade ago.

Yea Iguodala was good and understood what was going on, but Jimmy brings another dimension and was dropped in the middle of the season.

Well, Jimmy's a much better player so of course Smart players can usually fit in relatively quickly.

It's not about just having a high bbiq. There's a reason why lesser talented players play better around Butler, Butler doesn't just create open shots for his teammates by attacking and passing the ball, he knows that the plays are and how the defense wants to defend them so he's setting picks so the defense can't cover them and sometimes actively blocking off players in the lane for his teammates to have easier times getting to the bucket. Draymond does a lot of this and while Butler was in Miami, Lowry (who was over the hill) did these types of plays also which didn't show up in his individual stats but showed up in his calculated ORTG. Butler and Lowery sometimes would end up setting a double screen (not on purpose) to keep the defenders from closing out on a wide-open PJ Tucker in the corner. This also explains part of the playoff Jimmy thing since he would start looking for his own shot in the playoff's vs looking to find ways to get his teammates open looks which is in his head, the right way to play. If Butler were looking for his own shot instead of trying to spring teammates open, you probably wouldn't have seen such a leap in Curry's scoring. What's bad for Butler is that sometimes the best thing for him to do is be a spacer and we all know that's a weakness of his.

[AirP.]

I wonder if Butler's scorer mode is a break in case of emergency situation even for the playoffs because last night, he was moving more towards taking jumpers instead of set shots. On an open 3 he didn't just take a set shot; he took a simple jumper but missed. When it was at the end of the shot clock with LeBron on him, he took his regular looking jump shot from 3pt range and it hit nothing but net. I guess he's just taking little to no chance outside of the playoffs to have someone get underneath him on a shot to roll his ankle but he's a way better 3pt shooter when he's taking a jump shot vs set shot from 3.

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[Onus]

Yea Iguodala was good and understood what was going on, but Jimmy brings another dimension and was dropped in the middle of the season.

Well, Jimmy's a much better player so of course Smart players can usually fit in relatively quickly.

It's not about just having a high bbiq. There's a reason why lesser talented players play better around Butler, Butler doesn't just create open shots for his teammates by attacking and passing the ball, he knows that the plays are and how the defense wants to defend them so he's setting picks so the defense can't cover them and sometimes actively blocking off players in the lane for his teammates to have easier times getting to the bucket. Draymond does a lot of this and while Butler was in Miami, Lowry (who was over the hill) did these types of plays also which didn't show up in his individual stats but showed up in his calculated ORTG. Butler and Lowery sometimes would end up setting a double screen (not on purpose) to keep the defenders from closing out on a wide-open PJ Tucker in the corner. This also explains part of the playoff Jimmy thing since he would start looking for his own shot in the playoff's vs looking to find ways to get his teammates open looks which is in his head, the right way to play. If Butler were looking for his own shot instead of trying to spring teammates open, you probably wouldn't have seen such a leap in Curry's scoring. What's bad for Butler is that sometimes the best thing for him to do is be a spacer and we all know that's a weakness of his.

Yea Jimmy's screening is really good, which doesn't get talked about a lot. It was one of the first things I noticed when he first came onto the Warriors, which is when I said Jimmy actually might fit better than KD did.

[AirP.]

Well, Jimmy's a much better player so of course Smart players can usually fit in relatively quickly.

It's not about just having a high bbiq. There's a reason why lesser talented players play better around Butler, Butler doesn't just create open shots for his teammates by attacking and passing the ball, he knows that the plays are and how the defense wants to defend them so he's setting picks so the defense can't cover them and sometimes actively blocking off players in the lane for his teammates to have easier times getting to the bucket. Draymond does a lot of this and while Butler was in Miami, Lowry (who was over the hill) did these types of plays also which didn't show up in his individual stats but showed up in his calculated ORTG. Butler and Lowery sometimes would end up setting a double screen (not on purpose) to keep the defenders from closing out on a wide-open PJ Tucker in the corner. This also explains part of the playoff Jimmy thing since he would start looking for his own shot in the playoff's vs looking to find ways to get his teammates open looks which is in his head, the right way to play. If Butler were looking for his own shot instead of trying to spring teammates open, you probably wouldn't have seen such a leap in Curry's scoring. What's bad for Butler is that sometimes the best thing for him to do is be a spacer and we all know that's a weakness of his.

Yea Jimmy's screening is really good, which doesn't get talked about a lot. It was one of the first things I noticed when he first came onto the Warriors, which is when I said Jimmy actually might fit better than KD did.

I love the videos Eric Apricot posts that shows some of the dirty work and high bbiq plays that I think most people miss when watching the games. I can see why Curry and Draymond have a unique friendship; Draymond has no problem doing the dirty work for Curry to get a few more shots off per game.

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[AirP.]

It seems more teammates are getting used to playing offense around Butler.

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[wco81]

So it's coming down to one game for play-in or #6.

It's really the first playoffs game.

Now or never for Playoff Jimmy.

He needs to average 25 PPG for the Warriors to have a chance, especially with Curry's hobbled hand -- maybe a soft tissue injury he's playing through.

He can't cherry pick matchups and only going for layups vs. smaller players. He can't be dumping to Podz or Moody at the end of a shot clock. Those guys are role players on their rookie deals with very limited playoffs minutes, can't expect too much of them.

Otherwise, it's been a nice run but the Warriors would be underdogs to the Lakers anyways -- they don't have a center but they have a lot of big wings, which have given this team problems.

[DonaldSanders]

So it's coming down to one game for play-in or #6.

It's really the first playoffs game.

Now or never for Playoff Jimmy.

He needs to average 25 PPG for the Warriors to have a chance, especially with Curry's hobbled hand -- maybe a soft tissue injury he's playing through.

He can't cherry pick matchups and only going for layups vs. smaller players. He can't be dumping to Podz or Moody at the end of a shot clock. Those guys are role players on their rookie deals with very limited playoffs minutes, can't expect too much of them.

Otherwise, it's been a nice run but the Warriors would be underdogs to the Lakers anyways -- they don't have a center but they have a lot of big wings, which have given this team problems.

LeBron has a groin injury, so the Lakers won't be full strength even with some time to heal -- groins are nagging injury.

But yes it is time for Jimmy to be more assertive -- we need him to show up big vs. the Clippers to clinch that 6th seed.

[vvoland]

So it's coming down to one game for play-in or #6.

It's really the first playoffs game.

Now or never for Playoff Jimmy.

He needs to average 25 PPG for the Warriors to have a chance, especially with Curry's hobbled hand -- maybe a soft tissue injury he's playing through.

He can't cherry pick matchups and only going for layups vs. smaller players. He can't be dumping to Podz or Moody at the end of a shot clock. Those guys are role players on their rookie deals with very limited playoffs minutes, can't expect too much of them.

Otherwise, it's been a nice run but the Warriors would be underdogs to the Lakers anyways -- they don't have a center but they have a lot of big wings, which have given this team problems.

Don't look now but Jimmy buckets, in April, is shooting 58% from 3, albeit on 1.7 attempts. That's up from 7% in 8 February games.

The real crazy stat is he's averaging 19 PPG on 8.6 shots! That's less than 9 FGAs to get to 19ppg. I hope he never passes up an open dunk again, aka simmons-ing, but those are crazy efficient numbers

[Onus]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

[AirP.]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

Not often do his fouls get overturned. I'm not a fan of going out of your way to trap a player's arm but if they're fouling and not getting called for it, I'm completely good at trying to expose it.

[Sandy333]

Esp lately, his go to foul moves are overturned or called offensive. It is is anti gsw effort from the refs.just like they spent the whole year building, boosting up SGA, now that they are a threat to lebron and Lakers, media and ref narrative has turned against sga. Nba is WWE.
GSw is not a good enough team to outplay the refs, Clippers are..Denver was...
Nba is just a betting fraud show.

[Onus]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

Not often do his fouls get overturned. I'm not a fan of going out of your way to trap a player's arm but if they're fouling and not getting called for it, I'm completely good at trying to expose it.

I just want to know if I’m crazy because I feel like he may get the initial call but if they review they’ll go against it. Then that time when he jumped into that grizzlies player and they called an offensive foul but then gave the same call to Ja.

Usually when they review a call they stick with the call no matter how marginal the contact is.

[AirP.]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

Not often do his fouls get overturned. I'm not a fan of going out of your way to trap a player's arm but if they're fouling and not getting called for it, I'm completely good at trying to expose it.

I just want to know if I’m crazy because I feel like he may get the initial call but if they review they’ll go against it. Then that time when he jumped into that grizzlies player and they called an offensive foul but then gave the same call to Ja.

Usually when they review a call they stick with the call no matter how marginal the contact is.

Most of his called fouls are fouls, he knows how to get players to foul him. Like I said, I don't agree with going out of the way to trap a guy's arm and I also don't like it when players move sideways to create contact which Butler will do from time to time but lots of players do this to create space.

[Sandy333]

Jimmy and others need to shoot better threes .. It cannot be all steph in crunch time as recently defeats have shown

[AirP.]

Still working on his game.

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[michaelm]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

Is there anybody on this board who is not a Jimmy fan ?. I suspect anyone who isn’t would be at odds with Steph and Draymond.

Unfortunate they don’t have 2022 Poole instead of Buddy, but he may get hot and win a game or two nevertheless.

[billinder33]

I wonder for the jimmy fans how often do Jimmy's draw fouling calls get overturned? It really seems like the refs overturned a lot of his foul grifting.

Is there anybody on this board who is not a Jimmy fan ?. I suspect anyone who isn’t would be at odds with Steph and Draymond.

Unfortunate they don’t have 2022 Poole instead of Buddy, but he may get hot and win a game or two nevertheless.

There's some long-timer 'stats guy' on here who pounded the table hard for Lauri Markkanen and Paul George who didn't like the Jimmy trade and claimed it was a monumentally stupid front office decision. He also predicted Zach Edey would be a bust because he didn't like the way Edey looked when he ran his combine sprints, despite putting up historic speed times at his height-weight combo.

Not sure what happened to this guy, he kind of disappeared into the ether lately.