Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[marthafokker]

Some are speculating that JK should wait out to see what happens to Kawhi. If Kawhi's contract is voided or banned, then Clips will have the cap space to sign JK for what the Dubs not willing to match.

Why? Because the Clips will lose a lot of draft assets, that JK is one way to get something back.

If so, will JK wait into the season until March 1?

[EvanZ]

Some are speculating that JK should wait out to see what happens to Kawhi. If Kawhi's contract is voided or banned, then Clips will have the cap space to sign JK for what the Dubs not willing to match.

Why? Because the Clips will lose a lot of draft assets, that JK is one way to get something back.

If so, will JK wait into the season until March 1?

At least we wouldn't have to watch him play.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

[Crazy-Canuck]

Some are speculating that JK should wait out to see what happens to Kawhi. If Kawhi's contract is voided or banned, then Clips will have the cap space to sign JK for what the Dubs not willing to match.

Why? Because the Clips will lose a lot of draft assets, that JK is one way to get something back.

If so, will JK wait into the season until March 1?

In the unlikely event space opens up for the Clippers, kuminga wouldn't make the top 10 of who'd they go after. That team is built to contend, not rebuild.

[Onus]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

Turner and Kuminga have spent much of the summer requesting a player option as part of their preferred deals, sources said, showing a willingness to dip down into the $20 million per year range for it, but believing a team option deal should cost around $30 million per year. The Warriors have also viewed a player option as a nonstarter, sources said.

Why not just give him the player option at a reduced salary? They must really think they won't be able to trade him at the deadline and then JK walks. This is what happens when one side of the fo wants to trade him and the other doesn't. Everyone is just stuck in limbo because there's no single vision.

And the truth is coming out that JK is a Lacob pick rather than "consensus"

LACOB HAS BEEN a central figure in Kuminga's NBA career since the beginning. Bob Myers was team president and Dunleavy assistant general manager when they drafted Kuminga in 2021. They gave the collective green light, but Lacob was a driving force in the selection when others, including a few on the coaching staff, voiced a Franz Wagner preference, sources said.

Lacob has remained a staunch Kuminga supporter and vocal believer in his long-term future. He voiced an unwillingness to include Kuminga in a proposed trade from Chicago for Alex Caruso a couple of seasons back, sources said, and was still glowing about Kuminga's performance in May after he rose from out of Steve Kerr's first-round rotation to the team's leading scorer in the second-round loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

MJD just needs to capitulate and realize we're never trading JK. So just get him on a long term deal at 20m a year, 4/80 and give him a player option in year 4 or hell year 3 if he wants it.

[EvanZ]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

Turner and Kuminga have spent much of the summer requesting a player option as part of their preferred deals, sources said, showing a willingness to dip down into the $20 million per year range for it, but believing a team option deal should cost around $30 million per year. The Warriors have also viewed a player option as a nonstarter, sources said.

Why not just give him the player option at a reduced salary? They must really think they won't be able to trade him at the deadline and then JK walks. This is what happens when one side of the fo wants to trade him and the other doesn't. Everyone is just stuck in limbo because there's no single vision.

And the truth is coming out that JK is a Lacob pick rather than "consensus"

LACOB HAS BEEN a central figure in Kuminga's NBA career since the beginning. Bob Myers was team president and Dunleavy assistant general manager when they drafted Kuminga in 2021. They gave the collective green light, but Lacob was a driving force in the selection when others, including a few on the coaching staff, voiced a Franz Wagner preference, sources said.

Lacob has remained a staunch Kuminga supporter and vocal believer in his long-term future. He voiced an unwillingness to include Kuminga in a proposed trade from Chicago for Alex Caruso a couple of seasons back, sources said, and was still glowing about Kuminga's performance in May after he rose from out of Steve Kerr's first-round rotation to the team's leading scorer in the second-round loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

MJD just needs to capitulate and realize we're never trading JK. So just get him on a long term deal at 20m a year, 4/80 and give him a player option in year 4 or hell year 3 if he wants it.

Wait why do you want to give him a long term deal now?

[EvanZ]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

Yeah, I mean if this is true, let his MF ass walk the plank. What a dope.

[Onus]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

Turner and Kuminga have spent much of the summer requesting a player option as part of their preferred deals, sources said, showing a willingness to dip down into the $20 million per year range for it, but believing a team option deal should cost around $30 million per year. The Warriors have also viewed a player option as a nonstarter, sources said.

Why not just give him the player option at a reduced salary? They must really think they won't be able to trade him at the deadline and then JK walks. This is what happens when one side of the fo wants to trade him and the other doesn't. Everyone is just stuck in limbo because there's no single vision.

And the truth is coming out that JK is a Lacob pick rather than "consensus"

LACOB HAS BEEN a central figure in Kuminga's NBA career since the beginning. Bob Myers was team president and Dunleavy assistant general manager when they drafted Kuminga in 2021. They gave the collective green light, but Lacob was a driving force in the selection when others, including a few on the coaching staff, voiced a Franz Wagner preference, sources said.

Lacob has remained a staunch Kuminga supporter and vocal believer in his long-term future. He voiced an unwillingness to include Kuminga in a proposed trade from Chicago for Alex Caruso a couple of seasons back, sources said, and was still glowing about Kuminga's performance in May after he rose from out of Steve Kerr's first-round rotation to the team's leading scorer in the second-round loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

MJD just needs to capitulate and realize we're never trading JK. So just get him on a long term deal at 20m a year, 4/80 and give him a player option in year 4 or hell year 3 if he wants it.

Wait why do you want to give him a long term deal now?

Because realistically Lacob is never going to trade him. Lacob seems willing to go down with his draft pick. It's now coming out that he was the one behind the pick even though the coaching staff wanted Franz. Lacob wouldn't trade JK for Caruso. He's never going to be offered the value that he perceives is worth it because JK is Lacob's contribution to the franchise. So since the owner wants him on the team, keep him on the team at a lower cost rather than going through this again next year or the year after.

Seriously this is all on Lacob.

[AirP.]

This entire picture in the twitter post is a nice comparison of the deals Kuminga has gotten from Phoenix, Sacramento and multiple GS offers.

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[tal57]

Why not just give him the player option at a reduced salary? They must really think they won't be able to trade him at the deadline and then JK walks. This is what happens when one side of the fo wants to trade him and the other doesn't. Everyone is just stuck in limbo because there's no single vision.

And the truth is coming out that JK is a Lacob pick rather than "consensus"



MJD just needs to capitulate and realize we're never trading JK. So just get him on a long term deal at 20m a year, 4/80 and give him a player option in year 4 or hell year 3 if he wants it.

Wait why do you want to give him a long term deal now?

Because realistically Lacob is never going to trade him. Lacob seems willing to go down with his draft pick. It's now coming out that he was the one behind the pick even though the coaching staff wanted Franz. Lacob wouldn't trade JK for Caruso. He's never going to be offered the value that he perceives is worth it because JK is Lacob's contribution to the franchise. So since the owner wants him on the team, keep him on the team at a lower cost rather than going through this again next year or the year after.

Seriously this is all on Lacob.

Oh, it's absolutely on Lacob. So is Wiseman pick, so is Moody pick. This is what happens when otherwise wealthy, extremely passionate owner totally lacks the third ingredient for a great owner. The most important one, the checked ego. Otherwise known as being full of himself, assuming he can be a great GM by himself after his ego had driven West out. And became the Jerry Jones of basketball, holding by a thread of his three senior citizens.

[DonaldSanders]

It seems likely now that we reach some kind of multi-year deal with JK. The Warriors have upped their offer, and as far as I can tell it's the best offer he has gotten, better than the money in the S&Ts with Phoenix or Sac. I know playing time is important to JK, but even if there is only 2 guaranteed years here, that's a lot of money to risk vs. the QO. I understood the QO gamble more when it was just 1 guaranteed year in the contract, but now with 2 he'd be a fool not to take it. And his agent though he has blundered in the past, should learn from his prior mistake.

JK did a good job negotiating and getting the Warriors to budge, maybe he can get a little more but I doubt much more. I don't know if it will wrap up soon, but I think we do end up seeing JK back with at least 2 years guaranteed.

This whole time both sides have had every incentive to get a deal worked out -- JK needs the most money and wants to be in a position to still be featured/developed, and the Warriors want a tradable asset with potential.

[bay2hk]

According to shams, Mjd offered 3/75.2 with a team option in the 3rd year.

Still not enough....


Lol, kuminga/taylor counter was a fat 1 yr deal or 2 year with a player option.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46210422/inside-warriors-stalemate-jonathan-kuminga

Should just cut off all communication and force him to sign the QO on 10/1. He is not worth that much

[statsman]

Lacob is going to pin the Warriors into a corner of which there may be no escape. His ego makes him a poor judge of managing a basketball roster.

Kuminga for more than $20M/yr is going to be brutal to observe. And the Warriors are losing to Kuminga. What an embarrassment.

The nightmare continues.

[NW]

Lacob is going to pin the Warriors into a corner of which there may be no escape. His ego makes him a poor judge of managing a basketball roster.

Kuminga for more than $20M/yr is going to be brutal to observe. And the Warriors are losing to Kuminga. What an embarrassment.

The nightmare continues.

Lacob’s definitely the factor. Depends on what he’s willing to accept as a return on Kuminga and if he’s willing to offer post Steph draft capital as part of the package. Kuminga on a 2+1 with team option and that capital (maybe adding Moody and/or Hield’s deals) gets you in the mix for a world of talent.

Kuminga on that deal by himself probably doesn’t get you any kind of return that Lacob will accept.

[Coxy]

Some are speculating that JK should wait out to see what happens to Kawhi. If Kawhi's contract is voided or banned, then Clips will have the cap space to sign JK for what the Dubs not willing to match.

Why? Because the Clips will lose a lot of draft assets, that JK is one way to get something back.

If so, will JK wait into the season until March 1?

Can we just sign Kawhi then?

The upgrade from Kuminga to Kawhi would be along the lines of going from a studio apartment in downtown Detroit to a mansion in Montecito.

[whatisacenter]

Everyone here is complaining about JK but I’m worried that this offseason will be more entertaining than the regular season.

[HiRez]

It's crazy they can't find a deal here. Seems the big sticking point for JK's camp is a team option, something which you unfortunately can't just split down the middle like a salary. Just offer a clean deal with no options and no no-trade clauses, something like 2/55 (27.5 per), 3/75 (25 per), or a 2+1/68 (22.7 per) with a player option (you can have your player option but it's going to cost you). He would probably be incentivized to take the money and drop the option.

Sure, people here will howl he's being overpaid, but none of those feel like they'd be un-tradable contracts in the next few years (or even at this trade deadline). Other guys in the same general class and salary range who need a scenery change are going to be out there. Doesn't seem like JK wants to be here anymore anyway, so he probably wouldn't fight a trade and this should be the ASAP goal after the current restrictions are removed. I don't see Kerr and JK ever being in sync and there is definitely bad blood in the water now.

[HiRez]

Some are speculating that JK should wait out to see what happens to Kawhi. If Kawhi's contract is voided or banned, then Clips will have the cap space to sign JK for what the Dubs not willing to match.

Why? Because the Clips will lose a lot of draft assets, that JK is one way to get something back.

If so, will JK wait into the season until March 1?

Can we just sign Kawhi then?

The upgrade from Kuminga to Kawhi would be along the lines of going from a studio apartment in downtown Detroit to a mansion in Montecito.

Except the mansion has cracks in the foundation which might collapse at any moment and is infested with mold, requiring mitigation treatments that will likely make it uninhabitable for months or years.

[AirP.]

I agree that this may be a disaster if Kuminga comes back, how he wants to play is not how GS with Curry, Butler and Draymond wants to play.

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[AirP.]

At the 52 minute mark starts the Kuminga talk.

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