Warriors Free Agency 2025

[vvoland]

We’re def not letting JK walk for nothing. We can still use the NTMLE if JK takes the QO. Which is becoming more likely as each day passes. In that case then we’ll split the NTMLE.

I think the most warriors can offer to JK and still stay under the Apron is ~$15m starting salary which will allow us to use the BAE, and sign another vet min plus the 2 second rounders. We have 9 players under contract currently btw. So adding JK, Al horford, vet min, and our 2 SRPs will equal to the required 14 players.

I don't think that math is mathing. Jk @ 8M would make it 180m for 10 players. That would leave us with 16M for 4 spots. If two of them are tjd and Santos, we'd be at 184 for 12 players. One more vet min would get us to 187, leaving us with $9m for the last spot. If he signed for 15, we would be right at the first apron with just the minimums. If I'm wrong on my math, let me know

$170m includes GUI and TJD… we also picked up GUI’s option already.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap

Right, 170 for 9 players. The two seconds make it 11 and 172. One more vet min would take us to 12 and 175, leaving 21M to resign jk and use the MLE. Don't see any reason to try and stay below the first in this scenario.

[bay2hk]

I don't think that math is mathing. Jk @ 8M would make it 180m for 10 players. That would leave us with 16M for 4 spots. If two of them are tjd and Santos, we'd be at 184 for 12 players. One more vet min would get us to 187, leaving us with $9m for the last spot. If he signed for 15, we would be right at the first apron with just the minimums. If I'm wrong on my math, let me know

$170m includes GUI and TJD… we also picked up GUI’s option already.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap

Right, 170 for 9 players. The two seconds make it 11 and 172. One more vet min would take us to 12 and 175, leaving 21M to resign jk and use the MLE. Don't see any reason to try and stay below the first in this scenario.

Using the NTMLE or BAE would hard cap us at the first apron. We’re really handcuff until the JK accepts the QO or extends. If JK takes the QO then we can split the full NTMLE between let’s say Horford and Beal, and still have some room to sign another player later in the season to the 15 spot (prorated salary). Staying under the first apron also allows us to go after buyout players making over NTMLE.

[statsman]

Using the NTMLE or BAE would hard cap us at the first apron. We’re really handcuff until the JK accepts the QO or extends. If JK takes the QO then we can split the full NTMLE between let’s say Horford and Beal, and still have some room to sign another player later in the season to the 15 spot (prorated salary). Staying under the first apron also allows us to go after buyout players making over NTMLE.

A few reasons why I was OK with trading Kuminga to the Kings for Ellis/Carter. Mainly to stay below the 1st apron. In addition to the above, it would allow the use of part/all of last season's $8.8M TPE in a trade.

The argument for and against staying under the 1st apron is primarily driven by whether you want the Warriors to keep Kuminga, or if you want to see him traded. If someone is all for the Warriors keeping Kuminga and signing him to something like a 2+1, then the 1st apron discussion is pointless. If someone wants Kuminga traded for a few pieces not costing a ton of salary, then the 1st apron discussion means a lot.

[bay2hk]

Using the NTMLE or BAE would hard cap us at the first apron. We’re really handcuff until the JK accepts the QO or extends. If JK takes the QO then we can split the full NTMLE between let’s say Horford and Beal, and still have some room to sign another player later in the season to the 15 spot (prorated salary). Staying under the first apron also allows us to go after buyout players making over NTMLE.

A few reasons why I was OK with trading Kuminga to the Kings for Ellis/Carter. Mainly to stay below the 1st apron. In addition to the above, it would allow the use of part/all of last season's $8.8M TPE in a trade.

The argument for and against staying under the 1st apron is primarily driven by whether you want the Warriors to keep Kuminga, or if you want to see him traded. If someone is all for the Warriors keeping Kuminga and signing him to something like a 2+1, then the 1st apron discussion is pointless. If someone wants Kuminga traded for a few pieces not costing a ton of salary, then the 1st apron discussion means a lot.

Warriors can resign JK, stay under the first apron and use the BAE for Horford. The 2+1 offer would likely be 3 years for ~$50m to ~$51m. JK will have to choose between that or the QO. We should not give JK for trash offer (e.g Dario/carter). If Kings offer is the best we can get then might as well have JK stay for another year on the QO. Having one more year of JK’s service (rental) is better than having dead bodies on the bench. JK will have to be on his best behavior because it’ll be another contract year.

[statsman]

So, Kuminga is going to be gathering teams in Vegas to talk free agency this week? Where has he been since July 1 (and really earlier)? They thought the Warriors would blink and offer him his desired max/near-max contract without any serious interest from other teams?

This was a bloody awful offseason for a restricted FA to have the league determine their worth (ask Giddey about that!). In the case of Giddey, the Bulls are nowhere close to having the cap issues that the Warriors have. I don't get their holdup.

Like some, I am getting tired of talking about Kuminga. Sadly, whether he stays or is traded, I don't see that changing.

[AirP.]

So, Kuminga is going to be gathering teams in Vegas to talk free agency this week? Where has he been since July 1 (and really earlier)? They thought the Warriors would blink and offer him his desired max/near-max contract without any serious interest from other teams?

This was a bloody awful offseason for a restricted FA to have the league determine their worth (ask Giddey about that!). In the case of Giddey, the Bulls are nowhere close to having the cap issues that the Warriors have. I don't get their holdup.

Like some, I am getting tired of talking about Kuminga. Sadly, whether he stays or is traded, I don't see that changing.

Starting to sound like a short term (2+1?) that's cheap enough and long enough for a team to trade for but they do get Kuminga's rights in a trade. The question is how cheap can you get him for or do you just hold the QO out there where he picks it up and then a team would only be trading to get his Bird rights during the season. 2+1 with 20 mil per year would be a possible value contract that they may be able to move fairly easily but short enough they're not stuck if it's not going to work out in GS.

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[Old_Blue]

Starting to sound like a short term (2+1?) that's cheap enough and long enough for a team to trade for but they do get Kuminga's rights in a trade. The question is how cheap can you get him for or do you just hold the QO out there where he picks it up and then a team would only be trading to get his Bird rights during the season. 2+1 with 20 mil per year would be a possible value contract that they may be able to move fairly easily but short enough they're not stuck if it's not going to work out in GS.

The Dubs aren't going to offer Kuminga $20 million per year - even on a short contract. First of all, Kuminga isn't worth that number. The market for him (or lack thereof) has made this abundantly clear. Second, that number wouldn't permit the team to fill out its roster and still stay under the 1st apron - which appears to be of significant interest to the team. Kuminga is going to either swallow the QO or get traded before the season starts. And, even if he does swallow the QO, Kuminga will still get traded before season's end. This is a $hitfest of Kuminga's own making. And, nobody - least of all the Dubs - is coming to save him.

[statsman]

Kuminga is going to either swallow the QO or get traded before the season starts. And, even if he does swallow the QO, Kuminga will still get traded before season's end.

While I agree with the first part, I don't see the second part happening. Playing on the QO, Kuminga retains the right of trade refusal. Worse than that, any team trying to acquire him via trade would not retain his Bird rights. It would revert back to the non-Bird rights, which means any acquiring team couldn't re-sign Kuminga for more than $9.6M in next year's offseason unless they had cap space for a new contract offer. And I don't think a team is going to offer up anything worthwhile in a trade knowing they could lose Kuminga in the next offseason.

[AirP.]

Starting to sound like a short term (2+1?) that's cheap enough and long enough for a team to trade for but they do get Kuminga's rights in a trade. The question is how cheap can you get him for or do you just hold the QO out there where he picks it up and then a team would only be trading to get his Bird rights during the season. 2+1 with 20 mil per year would be a possible value contract that they may be able to move fairly easily but short enough they're not stuck if it's not going to work out in GS.

The Dubs aren't going to offer Kuminga $20 million per year - even on a short contract. First of all, Kuminga isn't worth that number. The market for him (or lack thereof) has made this abundantly clear. Second, that number wouldn't permit the team to fill out its roster and still stay under the 1st apron - which appears to be of significant interest to the team. Kuminga is going to either swallow the QO or get traded before the season starts. And, even if he does swallow the QO, Kuminga will still get traded before season's end. This is a $hitfest of Kuminga's own making. And, nobody - least of all the Dubs - is coming to save him.

The issue is, whatever Kuminga's contract is, that's the amount of money that can come back in a trade to strengthen the team for the playoffs. If he's on a low number it's going to be tough to bring back talent in a trade during the season. If the contract is short then there's not much risk for the other team to possibly trade an older and better player to test drive Kuminga in their system for a couple of seasons. It's not about getting Kuminga what he wants, it's about making is contract big enough where you can get a decent return.

[AirP.]

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[DaHef]

Kuminga is going to either swallow the QO or get traded before the season starts. And, even if he does swallow the QO, Kuminga will still get traded before season's end.

While I agree with the first part, I don't see the second part happening. Playing on the QO, Kuminga retains the right of trade refusal. Worse than that, any team trying to acquire him via trade would not retain his Bird rights. It would revert back to the non-Bird rights, which means any acquiring team couldn't re-sign Kuminga for more than $9.6M in next year's offseason unless they had cap space for a new contract offer. And I don't think a team is going to offer up anything worthwhile in a trade knowing they could lose Kuminga in the next offseason.

If JK screws the Dubs with an almost untradeable acceptance of the QO, I will be rooting for Kerr to give him 82 DNP's next regular season, followed by DNP's for as many playoff games they are in.

[azwfan]

Kuminga is going to either swallow the QO or get traded before the season starts. And, even if he does swallow the QO, Kuminga will still get traded before season's end.

While I agree with the first part, I don't see the second part happening. Playing on the QO, Kuminga retains the right of trade refusal. Worse than that, any team trying to acquire him via trade would not retain his Bird rights. It would revert back to the non-Bird rights, which means any acquiring team couldn't re-sign Kuminga for more than $9.6M in next year's offseason unless they had cap space for a new contract offer. And I don't think a team is going to offer up anything worthwhile in a trade knowing they could lose Kuminga in the next offseason.

If JK screws the Dubs with an almost untradeable acceptance of the QO, I will be rooting for Kerr to give him 82 DNP's next regular season, followed by DNP's for as many playoff games they are in.

The Dubs are screwing themselves. JK isnt screwing anyone (except himself if there really was a 30m offer last offseason).

[Crazy-Canuck]

With the Collins trade, it likely makes space to add Beal. The Clippers are another team just killing it this off season.

[Onus]

With the Collins trade, it likely makes space to add Beal. The Clippers are another team just killing it this off season.

Saw their roster and it looks good

Bigs: Zubac, Collins, B. Lopez, Batum, Niederhauser (rookie)
Wings: Kawhi, DJJ, Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, Cam Christie
Guards: James Harden, Kris Dunn, Bogdanovic

I'm not sure they should actually add Beal but if they do a starting lineup of Harden/Beal/Kawhi/Collins/Zubac is interesting.

[Crazy-Canuck]

With the Collins trade, it likely makes space to add Beal. The Clippers are another team just killing it this off season.

Saw their roster and it looks good

Bigs: Zubac, Collins, B. Lopez, Batum, Niederhauser (rookie)
Wings: Kawhi, DJJ, Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, Cam Christie
Guards: James Harden, Kris Dunn, Bogdanovic

I'm not sure they should actually add Beal but if they do a starting lineup of Harden/Beal/Kawhi/Collins/Zubac is interesting.

Okc is okc.
Denver got better.
Houston got better.
Clippers got better.

Top 4 might be locked.

[Onus]

With the Collins trade, it likely makes space to add Beal. The Clippers are another team just killing it this off season.

Saw their roster and it looks good

Bigs: Zubac, Collins, B. Lopez, Batum, Niederhauser (rookie)
Wings: Kawhi, DJJ, Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, Cam Christie
Guards: James Harden, Kris Dunn, Bogdanovic

I'm not sure they should actually add Beal but if they do a starting lineup of Harden/Beal/Kawhi/Collins/Zubac is interesting.

Okc is okc.
Denver got better.
Houston got better.
Clippers got better.

Top 4 might be locked.

Think Minnesota is also a lock for a playoff spot. They may not have gotten better but they've been to back to back wcf.

[EvanZ]

Hear me out. Talen Horton-Tucker is entering his prime lol. Vet min???

[Old_Blue]

If the goal of this off-season was to bore Dubs fans to death, they're off to an amazing start. Yeesh.

[vvoland]

With the Collins trade, it likely makes space to add Beal. The Clippers are another team just killing it this off season.

Saw their roster and it looks good

Bigs: Zubac, Collins, B. Lopez, Batum, Niederhauser (rookie)
Wings: Kawhi, DJJ, Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, Cam Christie
Guards: James Harden, Kris Dunn, Bogdanovic

I'm not sure they should actually add Beal but if they do a starting lineup of Harden/Beal/Kawhi/Collins/Zubac is interesting.

Lots of question marks with that roster. A lot of one way players except kawhi and zubac. Kawhi player less than 40 games last season while NOT being injured. and Harden is harden. They're deep enough to make a push for a decent regular season seed but I'm not too worried about them in the playoffs.

[vvoland]

Saw their roster and it looks good

Bigs: Zubac, Collins, B. Lopez, Batum, Niederhauser (rookie)
Wings: Kawhi, DJJ, Kobe Brown, Jordan Miller, Cam Christie
Guards: James Harden, Kris Dunn, Bogdanovic

I'm not sure they should actually add Beal but if they do a starting lineup of Harden/Beal/Kawhi/Collins/Zubac is interesting.

Okc is okc.
Denver got better.
Houston got better.
Clippers got better.

Top 4 might be locked.

Think Minnesota is also a lock for a playoff spot. They may not have gotten better but they've been to back to back wcf.

I'm not sure clippers got better as I think they'll really miss powell's offense. I'm really not sold on a team built around harden and kawhi. Den and Hou did improve and I'm fine putting them in a tier above the dubs. The rest, clippers, minny, gsw, etc. will be fighting for a the 4 seed, is my guess.