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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3401 » by marthafokker » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:22 pm

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marthafokker wrote:JK wants to leave or get playing time. Kerr's past JK usage is the reason, not the money.

JK's side is saying pay him enough with a player option to be traded... so he has some vision into his future. Or else he takes the QO to be certain to leave. He is not asking for the max.... that is so Jimmy Kimmel.


Dude wants 3 years guaranteed from the team that isn’t likely to give him playing time. So money not mattering is BS.

If he’s traded, he goes to a team that wants him, or just wants his contract. So by that theory, he goes to a team that will give him all he wants (cause a team looking to keep him isn’t trading for a$75 mil 8th man) or a team that only wants his contract, won’t take the option and may buy him out so gets his UFA dream with $45 mil for his trouble.

He wants full control or a contract where he outlasts Kerr and company. Both sides want their cake and eat it too. One is going to have to be disappointed



If management didn't play stupid games and offered 2 years with player option... then he would have signed it. It's the team option that he wants no part of being a Warriors.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3402 » by marthafokker » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:24 pm

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Curry and Jimmy got theirs. Didn't see them take less. And reason JK money issue is happening. They know better to complain.


Curry and Jimmy earned theirs. Kuminga wants his based on potential and the dumbest team in the league offering him $90 mil even though they can’t give it to him cap wise


Never said they didn't earn it... saying they have no rights to beotch when someone else ask for theirs... rightfully or not. That is why they haven't botch about JK. Not happy sure, but not their place to preach.
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Post#3403 » by Old_Blue » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:25 pm

And now comes word that Kuminga is missing an informal mini-camp put together by Jimmy Butler. :noway:
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3404 » by whatisacenter » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:28 pm

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At time time, it was reported that the Dubs were considering an offering of 5 years at between $140 and $155 million for Kuminga. But, Kuminga and his agent came in at 5 years and $224 million. It's the same damned thing that happened with Victor Oladipo when Aaron Turner was representing him.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/golden-state-warriors/warriors-reportedly-likely-offer-jonathan-kuminga-5-year-deal-worth-140-155-million


That never happened.

The Warriors did not even engage in extension talks with JK last offseason because they didn't want to have him on a poison pill contract in the event a big trade came about....one did and they were going to include him in the package for Durant only to have KD nix the deal.


Prove that it never happened. All we know for 100% certain is that Aaron Turner's similar tactics blew up in Victor Oladipo's face. This is a pattern with Turner. But, the Dubs called the bluff and won. Personally, I am pleased to see the team playing hardball and not simply caving as they did in giving Klay the 5th year on his last contract with the team.


LOL, I don't think anything I have to say or show will convince you otherwise but Slater went on record saying that the report that he turned down 5/150M was incorrect, his agent says they would have signed it if offered, and the team never disputed those statements.

And the Dubs have not called any bluff :lol: , they have upped their original offer!

Old_Blue wrote:And now comes word that Kuminga is missing an informal mini-camp put together by Jimmy Butler. :noway:


Duh, he is not under contract.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3405 » by HiRez » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:28 pm

Old_Blue wrote:And now comes word that Kuminga is missing an informal mini-camp put together by Jimmy Butler. :noway:

Unless I didn't have to do anything physical, I wouldn't do it either because without a contact, if he gets injured (see Fred VanVleet), he's completely screwed.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3406 » by Old_Blue » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:33 pm

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That never happened.

The Warriors did not even engage in extension talks with JK last offseason because they didn't want to have him on a poison pill contract in the event a big trade came about....one did and they were going to include him in the package for Durant only to have KD nix the deal.


Prove that it never happened. All we know for 100% certain is that Aaron Turner's similar tactics blew up in Victor Oladipo's face. This is a pattern with Turner. But, the Dubs called the bluff and won. Personally, I am pleased to see the team playing hardball and not simply caving as they did in giving Klay the 5th year on his last contract with the team.


LOL, I don't think anything I have to say or show will convince you otherwise but Slater went on record saying that the report that he turned down 5/150M was incorrect, his agent says they would have signed it if offered, and the team never disputed those statements.

And the Dubs have not called any bluff :lol: , they have upped their original offer!


What would the Dubs possibly accomplish from publicly stating that Kuminga turned down a previous higher offer - other than to humiliate Kuminga and his agent? It's called being gracious. Furthermore, Kuminga now staring at only 15 million more in guaranteed money than Moody received is nothing short of a failure.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3407 » by xdrta+ » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:37 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:
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At time time, it was reported that the Dubs were considering an offering of 5 years at between $140 and $155 million for Kuminga. But, Kuminga and his agent came in at 5 years and $224 million. It's the same damned thing that happened with Victor Oladipo when Aaron Turner was representing him.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/golden-state-warriors/warriors-reportedly-likely-offer-jonathan-kuminga-5-year-deal-worth-140-155-million


That never happened.

The Warriors did not even engage in extension talks with JK last offseason because they didn't want to have him on a poison pill contract in the event a big trade came about....one did and they were going to include him in the package for Durant only to have KD nix the deal.


Prove that it never happened. All we know for 100% certain is that Aaron Turner's similar tactics blew up in Victor Oladipo's face. This is a pattern with Turner. But, the Dubs called the bluff and won. Personally, I am pleased to see the team playing hardball and not simply caving as they did in giving Klay the 5th year on his last contract with the team.


"Prove that it never happened."
Right, prove a negative. That must sound silly even to you.

"All we know for 100% certain is that Aaron Turner's similar tactics blew up in Victor Oladipo's face."

Something happened some other time, so the same thing must have happened again. Actually, we know for 100% certain that Turner denies it ever happened. And the Warriors never claimed it happened.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3408 » by whatisacenter » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:37 pm

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Prove that it never happened. All we know for 100% certain is that Aaron Turner's similar tactics blew up in Victor Oladipo's face. This is a pattern with Turner. But, the Dubs called the bluff and won. Personally, I am pleased to see the team playing hardball and not simply caving as they did in giving Klay the 5th year on his last contract with the team.


LOL, I don't think anything I have to say or show will convince you otherwise but Slater went on record saying that the report that he turned down 5/150M was incorrect, his agent says they would have signed it if offered, and the team never disputed those statements.

And the Dubs have not called any bluff :lol: , they have upped their original offer!


What would the Dubs possibly accomplish from publicly stating that Kuminga turned down a previous higher offer - other than to humiliate Kuminga and his agent? It's called being gracious. Furthermore, Kuminga now staring at only 15 million more in guaranteed money than Moody received is nothing short of a failure.


Ah yes, the Dubs are altruistic and JK and his agent are a failure for not accepting an offer that never existed. :roll:

And it's OK to hate and clown on the kid but at least be factual about it.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3409 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:46 pm

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LOL, I don't think anything I have to say or show will convince you otherwise but Slater went on record saying that the report that he turned down 5/150M was incorrect, his agent says they would have signed it if offered, and the team never disputed those statements.

And the Dubs have not called any bluff :lol: , they have upped their original offer!


What would the Dubs possibly accomplish from publicly stating that Kuminga turned down a previous higher offer - other than to humiliate Kuminga and his agent? It's called being gracious. Furthermore, Kuminga now staring at only 15 million more in guaranteed money than Moody received is nothing short of a failure.


Ah yes, the Dubs are altruistic and JK and his agent are a failure for not accepting an offer that never existed. :roll:

And it's OK to hate and clown on the kid but at least be factual about it.


From what I recall.

Slater did report that luminga asked for the max.
Then he walked it back months later.
Then reported that negotiations started with Turner wanting at least Jalen Johnson money.
The warriors left the table.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3410 » by NW » Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:52 pm

marthafokker wrote:
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marthafokker wrote:JK wants to leave or get playing time. Kerr's past JK usage is the reason, not the money.

JK's side is saying pay him enough with a player option to be traded... so he has some vision into his future. Or else he takes the QO to be certain to leave. He is not asking for the max.... that is so Jimmy Kimmel.


Dude wants 3 years guaranteed from the team that isn’t likely to give him playing time. So money not mattering is BS.

If he’s traded, he goes to a team that wants him, or just wants his contract. So by that theory, he goes to a team that will give him all he wants (cause a team looking to keep him isn’t trading for a$75 mil 8th man) or a team that only wants his contract, won’t take the option and may buy him out so gets his UFA dream with $45 mil for his trouble.

He wants full control or a contract where he outlasts Kerr and company. Both sides want their cake and eat it too. One is going to have to be disappointed



If management didn't play stupid games and offered 2 years with player option... then he would have signed it. It's the team option that he wants no part of being a Warriors.


If you know the Warriors don't want you, why is the player option so important? They'll trade you, that's what you want. Kuminga wants a lot of accommodations for a guy of his limited stature
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3411 » by whatisacenter » Thu Sep 25, 2025 12:03 am

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What would the Dubs possibly accomplish from publicly stating that Kuminga turned down a previous higher offer - other than to humiliate Kuminga and his agent? It's called being gracious. Furthermore, Kuminga now staring at only 15 million more in guaranteed money than Moody received is nothing short of a failure.


Ah yes, the Dubs are altruistic and JK and his agent are a failure for not accepting an offer that never existed. :roll:

And it's OK to hate and clown on the kid but at least be factual about it.


From what I recall.

Slater did report that luminga asked for the max.
Then he walked it back months later.
Then reported that negotiations started with Turner wanting at least Jalen Johnson money.
The warriors left the table.


Turner is on the record saying that JJ was their comp for JK and that the Warriors didn't offer a contract because they wanted to have flexibility for a big trade.

No reporter or team source has disputed this and Slater has said that the 5/150M was never offered.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3412 » by AirP. » Thu Sep 25, 2025 12:08 am

Yet according to team sources, there’s still another scenario in play here: A sign-and-trade deal with the Sacramento Kings. While the two teams went more than a month without discussing the matter during the later part of the summer, team sources said the talks between the two sides were renewed earlier this week. And while no significant progress was made in the talks, it’s quite notable that the Kings — who have offered veteran guard Malik Monk and a lottery-protected, 2030 first-round pick for the chance to give Kuminga a three-year, $63 million deal — aren’t giving up on the prospect of bringing him to Sacramento this season.

Several obstacles to a deal remain, most notably the fact that the Warriors’ interest in Monk appears to be quite muted. His contract is the primary issue, as he has a player option for the 2027-28 season worth $21.5 million that does not fit with the Warriors’ future flexibility plans. There are concerns about his fit on the team as well.

If they did take him on, team sources said it’s likely Golden State would look to trade him elsewhere. The problem with that path, however, is that there’s no clarity as to whether that would be possible anytime soon.

The Warriors could create some of that desired salary cap space by trading either Buddy Hield or Moses Moody to stay under the first apron of the luxury tax, but have consistently messaged during this (painful) process that they refuse to do so, in large part, because of their affinity for both players. That messaging has grown even stronger in recent weeks.


But if the Warriors are going to change their stance and do this deal, it seems clear that the Kings will have to budge when it comes to the protections on the pick. And therein lies the key question for these next few days.

From the Kings’ vantage point, Kuminga has not performed like a lottery pick and thus shouldn’t require an unprotected first-round pick in return. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2030, it becomes the least favorable of the 2031 first-rounders between Sacramento and San Antonio. One way or another, the Warriors would get a first-round pick in the current construction of the deal. What’s more, the Kings see Monk as a dynamic player who they’d rather not lose and who would help the Warriors right away — contract complications aside.


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Post#3413 » by Old_Blue » Thu Sep 25, 2025 12:22 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:From what I recall.

Slater did report that luminga asked for the max.
Then he walked it back months later.
Then reported that negotiations started with Turner wanting at least Jalen Johnson money.
The warriors left the table.


Bingo. The rest of this revisionist history is nothing short of a pathetic attempt to save face for Turner and his client.
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Post#3414 » by marthafokker » Thu Sep 25, 2025 12:26 am

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Dude wants 3 years guaranteed from the team that isn’t likely to give him playing time. So money not mattering is BS.

If he’s traded, he goes to a team that wants him, or just wants his contract. So by that theory, he goes to a team that will give him all he wants (cause a team looking to keep him isn’t trading for a$75 mil 8th man) or a team that only wants his contract, won’t take the option and may buy him out so gets his UFA dream with $45 mil for his trouble.

He wants full control or a contract where he outlasts Kerr and company. Both sides want their cake and eat it too. One is going to have to be disappointed



If management didn't play stupid games and offered 2 years with player option... then he would have signed it. It's the team option that he wants no part of being a Warriors.


If you know the Warriors don't want you, why is the player option so important? They'll trade you, that's what you want. Kuminga wants a lot of accommodations for a guy of his limited stature


Warriors don't want him, yet why would they offer up 2+1 team option as new offer? Oh, they need him to be on a contract, just not him. JK wants the player option to opt in as injury insurance or get F around again. And opt out if he outplays his contract. Whom doesn't want flexible in this Kerr situation?

At this point, I just want JK to sign the QO and be done. Seems like JK might go that way if get F around even before signing a new contract.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3415 » by CS707 » Thu Sep 25, 2025 12:29 am

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LOL, I don't think anything I have to say or show will convince you otherwise but Slater went on record saying that the report that he turned down 5/150M was incorrect, his agent says they would have signed it if offered, and the team never disputed those statements.

And the Dubs have not called any bluff :lol: , they have upped their original offer!


What would the Dubs possibly accomplish from publicly stating that Kuminga turned down a previous higher offer - other than to humiliate Kuminga and his agent? It's called being gracious. Furthermore, Kuminga now staring at only 15 million more in guaranteed money than Moody received is nothing short of a failure.


Ah yes, the Dubs are altruistic and JK and his agent are a failure for not accepting an offer that never existed. :roll:

And it's OK to hate and clown on the kid but at least be factual about it.


There are no confirmed facts to be factual about other than Turner disputing an offer was made. Given the implications on his reputation, I wouldn't assume he's reliable. Slater is a mouthpiece that just reports what's fed to him and the Warriors organization gains nothing by commenting at all. The most logical assumption considering the original reporting and Turner's comments would be that numbers were floated from both sides that were so far apart that they never got to the point of a formal offer. That's doesn't mean it wasn't on the table.
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Post#3417 » by wco81 » Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:06 am

What’s more, the Kings see Monk as a dynamic player who they’d rather not lose and who would help the Warriors right away — contract complications aside.


So for a player they'd rather not lose, they're really trying hard to lose him.

Have the Kings ever been able to pull one and win a trade?

Maybe before Vivek?
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Hell, I'd give them Kuminga AND Hield/Moody AND a protected pick or pick swap for Keon. With Melton and apparently Seth Curry coming in, some consolidation at the guard spots probably wouldn't hurt anyway.
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Post#3419 » by NW » Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:31 am

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Hell, I'd give them Kuminga AND Hield/Moody AND a protected pick or pick swap for Keon. With Melton and apparently Seth Curry coming in, some consolidation at the guard spots probably wouldn't hurt anyway.


Wouldn’t need to for Keon. He makes squat. The Kings would have to find a taker for Monk
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Hell, I'd give them Kuminga AND Hield/Moody AND a protected pick or pick swap for Keon. With Melton and apparently Seth Curry coming in, some consolidation at the guard spots probably wouldn't hurt anyway.

Does it not bother you that he'll be an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season and he could walk for nothing?

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