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Re: Trade Thread (BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES) 

Post#361 » by hamncheese » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:33 pm

ArtursNaudins wrote:Agree that he will propably miss some time with injuries but he was starting on wolves because he is starting caliber player not because of injuries. The thing I like the most - we have enough firepower and AK is a guy who does a lil things to get a win. He still is really disruptive and with active hands and great defensive instincts, not a guy he used to be but still. :)


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Post#362 » by TaylorMonkey » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:36 pm

What's with the dumping Lee for a defensive small forward we already have?

Just because our small lineup works against Denver doesn't mean we want to double down and run that against the Grizzlies and Clippers.

Now Landry for one of those guys would be interesting. Would give us flexibility to go big with consistent inside scoring with Lee, or go small, get mobile, and space out without giving up much defense.
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Post#363 » by dr_peb » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:09 am

Zach Randolph and Blake both put up much better numbers playing against the warriors than their averages.

Stopping those kind of players, and the ridiculous number of other good PF's that are in the west, is exactly why you would trade Lee. He's helpless on the defensive side of the court.
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Post#364 » by DLeagueAllStars » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:25 am

Having Bogut on the floor helps slow down Blake and Zach... Still need someone down low who can score since that really shouldnt be Boguts job and going with Barnes at PF isnt a long term solution.
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Post#365 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:49 am

I don't think we necessarily need a designated post scorer. Lee and Bogut can do it, heck even Barnes and Klay can do it in random spurts. Our problem moving forward will definitely not be more scoring, it will be how we react and adjust once those long rebounds off missed 3s start happening more often. Comes down to boards, defense and second chance points. We don't need Al Jefferson making a fancy post move, we need someone rebounding and throwin down slamma jamma tip jams.
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Post#366 » by DLeagueAllStars » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:06 am

That maybe in this series, but when he have to play a true half court game for extended period of time, having Lee who can create and score with both hands is very useful.. A slashing 4 who can only tip in there isnt all that effective
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Post#367 » by dr_peb » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:49 pm

The other side of that coin is when we play true half court teams (that are one of the best 5-10 teams in the NBA), half court defense becomes more important too. And that's where its hard to justify Lee's salary.

Defense wins championships, and the teams that have won, or come close, in the last 5 years have had good to great defensive players at the 4. Duncan, KG, Pau/Odom, LeBron/Bosh, Ibaka. The only exception is Dirk, who the Mavs surrounded with two great defenders in Marion and Chandler. Maybe Odom too, but he had both Artest and kobe helping him from the wing.

So unless you're willing to bring in a Marion/Artest/Deng-level defender at the 3, and potentially shake up the way the entire team has been built, any team with Lee at the 4 is going to have a hard time stopping opponnents from scoring and a hard time contending. and that's where I question how valuable Lee is even against half-court teams.
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Post#368 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:16 pm

DLeagueAllStars wrote:That maybe in this series, but when he have to play a true half court game for extended period of time, having Lee who can create and score with both hands is very useful.. A slashing 4 who can only tip in there isnt all that effective


Thought you were saying that with Lee we still have no post scoring.
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Post#369 » by hamncheese » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:19 pm

dr_peb wrote:The other side of that coin is when we play true half court teams (that are one of the best 5-10 teams in the NBA), half court defense becomes more important too. And that's where its hard to justify Lee's salary.

Defense wins championships, and the teams that have won, or come close, in the last 5 years have had good to great defensive players at the 4. Duncan, KG, Pau/Odom, LeBron/Bosh, Ibaka. The only exception is Dirk, who the Mavs surrounded with two great defenders in Marion and Chandler. Maybe Odom too, but he had both Artest and kobe helping him from the wing.

So unless you're willing to bring in a Marion/Artest/Deng-level defender at the 3, and potentially shake up the way the entire team has been built, any team with Lee at the 4 is going to have a hard time stopping opponnents from scoring and a hard time contending. and that's where I question how valuable Lee is even against half-court teams.


Those players and combinations are pretty elite and cost more than Lee. I am all for replacing Lee with players of that caliber, but if someone proposes replacing Lee with someone like Amir Johnson, there are drop offs elsewhere and the savings in not using Lee's money would have to be well spent. None of the proposals in the trade thread really gets the Warriors a Duncan, KG, Lebron, Ibaka, etc... except maybe getting Pau. The good thing is that the Warriors do have Bogut, and if he's healthy, with Lee, Curry and what the Warriors have now, the Warriors could come close an Orlando w/ Dwight type contending team.
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Post#370 » by dr_peb » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:42 pm

The most important part of any deal along the lines of Lee for Amir would be the additional cap savings that would allow the warriors to go big in 2014 or 2015 free agency and bring in a star frontcourt player.

edit: i should I add, I don't think you can trade Lee for a player that's close to the caliber of any of those players you bolded. So the only way, in my mind, to eventually get the type of player the warriors need is to dump Lee for a smaller deal, and then look to improve in the future. Also, I'm not convinced the warriors will spend above the luxury cap, so getting savings on Lee's deal could be the difference between bringing Jack back and saying goodbye to him. That's the way I look at it at least.
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Trading Beans & RJ (expiring) next season? 

Post#371 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:49 pm

Who can we get for these 2 buffoons? Possible trade partners?
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Post#372 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:55 pm

Ummm maybe a strong role player with a lengthy contract and some fat expiring? Not too sure...we're going to be massively over the lux tax if we keep Jack/Landry and don't get rid of Biedrins or RJeff before the season.
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Post#373 » by marthafokker » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:57 pm

Is there an expiring contract from other teams that has a CANCER with a smaller contract? That might be the only path to get it done.
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Post#374 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:58 pm

I can't seem to find a site with a list of those but that would definitely be the first step in finding a trade partner.
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Re: Trading Beans & RJ (expiring) next season? 

Post#375 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:01 pm

and1GS wrote:Ummm maybe a strong role player with a lengthy contract and some fat expiring? Not too sure...we're going to be massively over the lux tax if we keep Jack/Landry and don't get rid of Biedrins or RJeff before the season.


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Post#376 » by Onus » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:04 pm

i'm pretty sure brandon roy doesn't have a guaranteed contract.
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Post#377 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:08 pm

Onus wrote:i'm pretty sure brandon roy doesn't have a guaranteed contract.


Yup, second year non-guaranteed.
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Post#378 » by and1GS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:14 pm

Marion has one year left on his deal at 9m...what about nabbing him somehow?
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Post#379 » by Ganji » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:26 pm

yes trade 2 expiring contracts for new bad contracts. We have the same team next year pretty mcuh + B.Rush is back... + we can buy a 2nd round pick maybe again, and try find a solid player again like Green.
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Post#380 » by TaylorMonkey » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:36 pm

and1GS wrote:Marion has one year left on his deal at 9m...what about nabbing him somehow?

For Beans or RJ? Sure.

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