OT - Trump

[Mylie10]

TERM LIMITS!!!

[mos_def]

Are you paying attention? He's picked racists and crazies for his key posts. It's not even a joke, we're headed into a buzzsaw full speed ahead.

People are in denial about what's about to happen, these guys aren't playing.

What racists (pleural) are you referring to? Exactly, what incidents are you referring to?

Trump just hired Nikki Haley, who is Hindi, as UN ambassador

Steve Bannon, the Breitbart editor. Under his direction, Breitbart went from a right-leaning news source (one that, by all accounts, despised nationalism and racism) and turned into an alt-right leaning news source that uses white nationalism as a legitimate counterpunch to political correctness. (editorial: PC is annoying but not nearly as harmful)

Jeff Sessions, a man who was deemed to racist to be a judge. Allegedly called a black attorney "boy" several times, suggested a white attorney representing a black man to be a race traitor, said that his only problem with the KKK was their drug use. He's the attorney general now. He claimed they were all in jest.. so there's reason to be concerned and there's still reason to dismiss it, and people lean one way or the other. I think stating either as fact is letting your bias do the talking. That said, picking someone to be attorney general with that kind of stain on his record isn't comforting.

Michael Flynn, a man who said - direct quote, so can't be misconstrued - that Islam was a "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people" that needed to be "excised". Not racism, if we're being technical, but definitely intolerant and bigoted. Because if 1.7 billion people really wanted to take down America, as if that were the religion's goal.. they probably could. Keeping in mind that 3.3m Muslims live in America already, a mere 1% of the population.

So even as I say "wait and see" to what this regime brings us, to not acknowledge these people's pasts and point to one diverse appointment as a proof against white Christian nationalism, that doesn't fly to me.

1- Hey FNQ - I too am in the medical field. I believe that is why I think we are aligned with much of the political debate, lol

2- regarding Sessions:
Sessions also prosecuted the then KKK leader to a death penalty. I cant really say Sessions stuff is racist. Probably more insensitive due to probably the era and area he was raised in. Im from the Pacific Islands and my Aunt had to tell her husband that the majority of the people will probably call you "boy" cuz you are younger. Don't take it as a racist term cuz they call everyone "boy."

Van Jones got kicked off the Obama administration for less cuz of his view points. And it wasn't just the GOP that asked him to step aside. Do I consider Van Jones to be a "reverse-racist?" No, but his thinking is based on his era and area in which he was raised.

3-regarding Flynn:
Flynn was in the Obama administration as head of the DIA. He was in the Middle East fighting wars. Not being a Monday morning QB. He was there. So is to be Sec of Defense James Mattis. He has worse sayings than Flynn. Mattis has this one saying that is famour: "I come in peace. I didn't bring the artillery. But I plead with you with tears in my eyes, if you cross us I will kill you all." But you know what, they were actually in the heartland of Islam fighting wars. Have you ever talked to a person that fought in Vietnam? White or Black, I bet you some form of what can be deceived as racist will come out of their mouth. It is usually displayed with cross continental wars.

To be truthful, Flynn got pushed out cuz he said USA isn't safer today than when 9-11 happened. Is that true? Since then we had the Boston marathon bombing. The Orlando incident. San Bernidino. Flynn might have been on to something.

Tulsi Gubbard just got toasted by Dean on MSNBC Hardball. Her alignment is Bernie left but her national security ideology is more conservative right. Since Gubbard is currently still in the military, she doesn't agree with the Obama administration foreign defense policy, in which I think is valid. But I think Dean coming out and speaking against her just shows a disbelief that a Democrat could work with Trump.

I don't think Trump actually cares cuz I also think he talked to DEM Jim Webb and Michelle Rhee (former Suns PG Kevin Johnson's wife). That might mean more bi-partisanship. Obama had 3 Republicans on his cabinet and that was historically a lot. To be truthful, I think Trump's current appointees are either from business backgrounds or extreme in their thinking. He wanted to "drain the swamp" and getting some outside thinking/ business management into an governmental administration that he believes not to be working. The Secretary of Education just went to Betsy DeVos (who graduated in business administration) but Rhee said she used the opportunity to talk to Trump about her ideas in education since she is considered more extreme in education. Rhee actually stated: “Interestingly many colleagues warned me against (meeting with Trump),” her statement continued. “They are wrong. Mr. Trump won the election. Our job as Americans is to want him to succeed. Wishing for his failure would be wanting the failure of our millions of American children who desperately need a better education.”


To sum it up, Trump is running his cabinet like a business and getting other business minded people in his administration.

[mos_def]

I don't really care either way since I'm a green not a democrat, but the fact is we don't live in a democracy, and if we did Hillary, who got 2 million more votes than Trump, would be the president-elect.

The electoral college was set up by the founding fathers to prevent men like Trump from taking office (and to rig the process to help the slave states count slaves as 3/5 of a person for census purposes). Don't take my word for it, go look it up.

I know what the electoral college is. Currently its function is to separate people per capita and actual land - it's been continued because of that reason, not because we as a country forgot about it. Because if you look at the maps, the big empty spaces are red and the heavily populated places are blue.

There should be a better system in place. But change never starts at the top, so the first thing that should be abolished is gerrymandering. It's a tool used for personal gain on both sides and its among the most unethical political maneuvers I've ever seen.

To Black Jack - we learn very early on that this country isn't a true democracy. If you are from the US, than we grew up standing and saying "To the republic, in which it stands...."

What does men like Trump mean?

I agree with FNQ (again) about the electoral college. Does it have its faults...yes, but you know what I believe is even worse than saying the Electoral College was to prevent people like Trump from getting into office, the fact that either the NY TImes or Washington Post printed all the Electors names in the paper and now they are getting threats to change their vote. The becomes a mob mentality when the fate of the nation can be changed by threat or bribery, which is definitely what the founding fathers of this country did not want.

[Black Jack]

I don't really care either way since I'm a green not a democrat, but the fact is we don't live in a democracy, and if we did Hillary, who got 2 million more votes than Trump, would be the president-elect.

The electoral college was set up by the founding fathers to prevent men like Trump from taking office (and to rig the process to help the slave states count slaves as 3/5 of a person for census purposes). Don't take my word for it, go look it up.

I know what the electoral college is. Currently its function is to separate people per capita and actual land - it's been continued because of that reason, not because we as a country forgot about it. Because if you look at the maps, the big empty spaces are red and the heavily populated places are blue.

There should be a better system in place. But change never starts at the top, so the first thing that should be abolished is gerrymandering. It's a tool used for personal gain on both sides and its among the most unethical political maneuvers I've ever seen.

To Black Jack - we learn very early on that this country isn't a true democracy. If you are from the US, than we grew up standing and saying "To the republic, in which it stands...."

What does men like Trump mean?

I agree with FNQ (again) about the electoral college. Does it have its faults...yes, but you know what I believe is even worse than saying the Electoral College was to prevent people like Trump from getting into office, the fact that either the NY TImes or Washington Post printed all the Electors names in the paper and now they are getting threats to change their vote. The becomes a mob mentality when the fate of the nation can be changed by threat or bribery, which is definitely what the founding fathers of this country did not want.

Trump is an obvious arch criminal with no regard for the institution of the presidency. If you want examples, just open your daily news feed. He asked the British envoy Farage to see about banning offshore wind farms for his golf courses while the were discussing working together. He brought his Indian business partners to the tower and they confirmed he discussed how he can further his personal business interests. He supposedly asked the Argentine president to make a building permit get approved without review. This is just the stuff we've heard. This guy will absolutely go full Nixon, he will use the full power of the presidency to dismantle whatever remnants of "democracy" exist here. He said yesterday that "the president can't have conflicts of interest"

This is a good article on why the electoral college was created to prevent a president like Trump:http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-electoral-college-was-meant-to-stop-men-like-trump-from-being-president/508310/

Anyway I'm not sweating it. The US has been on a downward trend for awhile now due to political instability and this is just the latest. I've been in the third world and I know how it works in these kinds of places. I think it shows how unaware of reality white americans are that they support this kind of strongman who will set about dismantling the country, but if yall look at countries like Russia and think that's the direction things should go, have at it.

[Black Jack]

What racists (pleural) are you referring to? Exactly, what incidents are you referring to?

Trump just hired Nikki Haley, who is Hindi, as UN ambassador

Steve Bannon, the Breitbart editor. Under his direction, Breitbart went from a right-leaning news source (one that, by all accounts, despised nationalism and racism) and turned into an alt-right leaning news source that uses white nationalism as a legitimate counterpunch to political correctness. (editorial: PC is annoying but not nearly as harmful)

Jeff Sessions, a man who was deemed to racist to be a judge. Allegedly called a black attorney "boy" several times, suggested a white attorney representing a black man to be a race traitor, said that his only problem with the KKK was their drug use. He's the attorney general now. He claimed they were all in jest.. so there's reason to be concerned and there's still reason to dismiss it, and people lean one way or the other. I think stating either as fact is letting your bias do the talking. That said, picking someone to be attorney general with that kind of stain on his record isn't comforting.

Michael Flynn, a man who said - direct quote, so can't be misconstrued - that Islam was a "vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people" that needed to be "excised". Not racism, if we're being technical, but definitely intolerant and bigoted. Because if 1.7 billion people really wanted to take down America, as if that were the religion's goal.. they probably could. Keeping in mind that 3.3m Muslims live in America already, a mere 1% of the population.

So even as I say "wait and see" to what this regime brings us, to not acknowledge these people's pasts and point to one diverse appointment as a proof against white Christian nationalism, that doesn't fly to me.

1- Hey FNQ - I too am in the medical field. I believe that is why I think we are aligned with much of the political debate, lol

2- regarding Sessions:
Sessions also prosecuted the then KKK leader to a death penalty. I cant really say Sessions stuff is racist. Probably more insensitive due to probably the era and area he was raised in. Im from the Pacific Islands and my Aunt had to tell her husband that the majority of the people will probably call you "boy" cuz you are younger. Don't take it as a racist term cuz they call everyone "boy."

Van Jones got kicked off the Obama administration for less cuz of his view points. And it wasn't just the GOP that asked him to step aside. Do I consider Van Jones to be a "reverse-racist?" No, but his thinking is based on his era and area in which he was raised.

3-regarding Flynn:
Flynn was in the Obama administration as head of the DIA. He was in the Middle East fighting wars. Not being a Monday morning QB. He was there. So is to be Sec of Defense James Mattis. He has worse sayings than Flynn. Mattis has this one saying that is famour: "I come in peace. I didn't bring the artillery. But I plead with you with tears in my eyes, if you cross us I will kill you all." But you know what, they were actually in the heartland of Islam fighting wars. Have you ever talked to a person that fought in Vietnam? White or Black, I bet you some form of what can be deceived as racist will come out of their mouth. It is usually displayed with cross continental wars.

To be truthful, Flynn got pushed out cuz he said USA isn't safer today than when 9-11 happened. Is that true? Since then we had the Boston marathon bombing. The Orlando incident. San Bernidino. Flynn might have been on to something.

Tulsi Gubbard just got toasted by Dean on MSNBC Hardball. Her alignment is Bernie left but her national security ideology is more conservative right. Since Gubbard is currently still in the military, she doesn't agree with the Obama administration foreign defense policy, in which I think is valid. But I think Dean coming out and speaking against her just shows a disbelief that a Democrat could work with Trump.

I don't think Trump actually cares cuz I also think he talked to DEM Jim Webb and Michelle Rhee (former Suns PG Kevin Johnson's wife). That might mean more bi-partisanship. Obama had 3 Republicans on his cabinet and that was historically a lot. To be truthful, I think Trump's current appointees are either from business backgrounds or extreme in their thinking. He wanted to "drain the swamp" and getting some outside thinking/ business management into an governmental administration that he believes not to be working. The Secretary of Education just went to Betsy DeVos (who graduated in business administration) but Rhee said she used the opportunity to talk to Trump about her ideas in education since she is considered more extreme in education. Rhee actually stated: “Interestingly many colleagues warned me against (meeting with Trump),” her statement continued. “They are wrong. Mr. Trump won the election. Our job as Americans is to want him to succeed. Wishing for his failure would be wanting the failure of our millions of American children who desperately need a better education.”


To sum it up, Trump is running his cabinet like a business and getting other business minded people in his administration.

Businesses are dictatorships. That's what "run the country like a business" really means.

[mos_def]

JFK once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
I believe that was a wise saying regardless of JFK political party.

[Impuniti]

Hillary fans still blaming the voters? Jesus, do you guys ever get tired of blaming everyone? I don't think I've ever seen so many adults act like children in my lifetime as I did when she actually lost. I also think one of the examples for hubris in the dictionary from now on should be the DNC and Hillary before it was announced who won the POTUS election for 2016.

Hillary got 2 million more votes than Trump, still counting. And the election is January 19. Trump can keep on picking extremists for key positions and urging foreign leaders to help out his businesses, if he keeps it up don't be surprised if the electoral college decides to elect a sane republican like Kasich.

I don't understand the point here. Both multi-million $ campaigns were run with the idea in mind that everything works with electoral votes. If it was the popular vote, both campaigns would have been run differently. This is why the entire petition of putting Hillary in charge with 4 or 5 million brats in adult bodies is hysterical. Maybe they should go to universities and colleges, there is safe spaces for all those who are deluded and don't want live in the real world.

[floppymoose]

TERM LIMITS!!!

Obama would have cruised to a third term.

[FNQ]

JFK once said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
I believe that was a wise saying regardless of JFK political party.

I believe it was at the time, but I dont think it applies as well now. Until we are at least transitioning towards equality, be it economic, racial, civil rights, etc.. I think people need to be reminded what this country can do for them. Because a chunk of the population believes that the country does nothing for them, or worse, takes from them.

And frankly, I find it hard to disagree. I've only lowkey experienced one of those - economic - but I have friends and family that experience all the others and I cannot justify the why.

[FNQ]

TERM LIMITS!!!

Obama would have cruised to a third term.

Most likely, yes. Has done a lot of good, but I still remain sketch on him because of the TPP and his non-actions with the DAPL, when he said this in 2009:

"You deserve to have a voice," Obama told representatives of 386 tribes at a White House Tribal Nations Conference. "You will not be forgotten as long as I'm in this White House."

"We know the history that we share," Obama said. "It's a history marked by violence and disease and deprivation. Treaties were violated. Promises were broken. You were told your lands, your religion, your cultures, your languages were not yours to keep."

"I want to give you my solemn guarantee that this is not the end of the process but the beginning of the process and that we are going to follow up," Obama said to applause in his closing remarks to the conference. "We are going to keep on working with you to make sure that the first Americans get the best possible chances in life."

I hope before he's out of office that he lives up to what he promised them.

[Black Jack]

Hillary fans still blaming the voters? Jesus, do you guys ever get tired of blaming everyone? I don't think I've ever seen so many adults act like children in my lifetime as I did when she actually lost. I also think one of the examples for hubris in the dictionary from now on should be the DNC and Hillary before it was announced who won the POTUS election for 2016.

Hillary got 2 million more votes than Trump, still counting. And the election is January 19. Trump can keep on picking extremists for key positions and urging foreign leaders to help out his businesses, if he keeps it up don't be surprised if the electoral college decides to elect a sane republican like Kasich.

I don't understand the point here. Both multi-million $ campaigns were run with the idea in mind that everything works with electoral votes. If it was the popular vote, both campaigns would have been run differently. This is why the entire petition of putting Hillary in charge with 4 or 5 million brats in adult bodies is hysterical. Maybe they should go to universities and colleges, there is safe spaces for all those who are deluded and don't want live in the real world.

The idea that Trump could have persuaded 2 million more voters to vote for him if he wanted to is pretty hilarious.

Anyway if the electoral college decides to do what's constitutionally allowed and put a sane president in office instead of President Nero, maybe then we'll see who the brats who need a safe space are, eh

[Impuniti]

Hillary got 2 million more votes than Trump, still counting. And the election is January 19. Trump can keep on picking extremists for key positions and urging foreign leaders to help out his businesses, if he keeps it up don't be surprised if the electoral college decides to elect a sane republican like Kasich.

I don't understand the point here. Both multi-million $ campaigns were run with the idea in mind that everything works with electoral votes. If it was the popular vote, both campaigns would have been run differently. This is why the entire petition of putting Hillary in charge with 4 or 5 million brats in adult bodies is hysterical. Maybe they should go to universities and colleges, there is safe spaces for all those who are deluded and don't want live in the real world.

The idea that Trump could have persuaded 2 million more voters to vote for him if he wanted to is pretty hilarious.

Anyway if the electoral college decides to do what's constitutionally allowed and put a sane president in office instead of President Nero, maybe then we'll see who the brats who need a safe space are, eh

Yeah, the idea that hundreds of millions of dollars into a campaign strategy changing might change votes around really is groundbreaking news. But maybe I should take your idea instead and tell my entire marketing team that there's no point of going after target audiences since it's the same thing as everybody. While I'm at it, I'll go to a marketing convention and let everyone know. Target audience is stupid guys, stop spending millions of dollars successfully making a ton of money as you have, it's the same thing as targeting everybody!

[Mylie10]

TERM LIMITS!!!

Obama would have cruised to a third term.

[floppymoose]

To ignore the problems in your own party makes you just as culpable as the scumbags on the right.

The last time Dems had house, senate, and presidency, their go to move was trying to provide health insurance for all. Now it's the repub's turn. Let's see what they do, then get back to me about whether ignoring dem scumbags is the real issue here.

[FNQ]

To ignore the problems in your own party makes you just as culpable as the scumbags on the right.

The last time Dems had house, senate, and presidency, their go to move was trying to provide health insurance for all. Now it's the repub's turn. Let's see what they do, then get back to me about whether ignoring dem scumbags is the real issue here.

Yes, and while that's a great soundbyte, it did nothing to cap the healthcare's stranglehold on American wallets, greatly lowered the quality of healthcare in the middle and lower classes, while costing more.. and then of course didnt give you the option to not have insurance, which also hurt the lower and middle classes.

Meanwhile, those same people fought very sparingly to the issues that actually crumbled our economy and were doing extremely little to change it until Bernie Sanders rolled around. And they tried to snuff him out as best they could through shady politics. And media manipulation. And just overall manipulation.

And now we're looking at President Trump because of it. So yeah, that IS the real issue, not their half-assed attempt to extend healthcare at the expense of an already diminishing middle class.

[floppymoose]

this feels unrealistic. you expected them to tackle your full wishlist in those two years? and you expected them to be able to go "all the way" on proper health care insurance with such a tenuous majority?

[Black Jack]

The best thing for American crybabies at this point is a full dose of right wing class warfare on the bottom 99.99%. Tax cuts for billionaires, several more hot wars, cyanide in little Jimmy's drinking water, another big market crash, and the same people braying about libruls will come running back to mama. It never fails.

[Mylie10]

I have a feeling Trump avoids a war at all cost.

[Toddl18]

The best thing for American crybabies at this point is a full dose of right wing class warfare on the bottom 99.99%. Tax cuts for billionaires, several more hot wars, cyanide in little Jimmy's drinking water, another big market crash, and the same people braying about libruls will come running back to mama. It never fails.

The neoconservatives are a problem but that line of thought is completely illogical simply because hilary was the more warmongering out of all participants.

[FNQ]

this feels unrealistic. you expected them to tackle your full wishlist in those two years? and you expected them to be able to go "all the way" on proper health care insurance with such a tenuous majority?

No, I expected a plan that worked though, not a half-baked plan that not only ignored the biggest problem in healthcare but also provided political ammo to the opposition.

"Everyone has healthcare"*

* except it's mandatory or you pay a fine. Except not only can healthcare companies give the bare minimum of service they can charge a lot for it. Except it will financially and medically hurt the voting block that essentially turned the 2016 election.

No plan is better than a plan who's cons outweigh its pros.