Is Moses Moody an NBA caliber player? HE PULLED A MAGIC TRICK, HES NOT AN NBA PLAYER!!! HES A CHINA LEVEL PLAYER!!!

[WarriorGM]

Team is playing well right now, maybe the best they have all season.

But Moody stans aren't happy, because Klay is getting more minutes than their guy.

Clearly they care more about their draft evaluations from watching Youtube than the fate of the team.

Moses is playing the most minutes of his career and is getting more shots in all categories, highest PPG and MPG. But his efficiency is down, 34.7% on 3.1 3PA per game compared to 36.3% on 2.1 3PA in his previous 2 seasons.

If only Moses was getting most of Klay's minutes or even starting, Warriors would have so many more wins!

The problem is, Moody is not a great defender like Wiggins or GP2, so he's got to be able to space the floor when he plays. Declining efficiency on greater shot attempts is not the way to do that.

Now, maybe give him 50% more minutes and he'd be at maybe 25-26 MPG. Then maybe his FGA would go up from 6.5 to around 10 and 3PA would go from 3.1 to 4.5-5.0.

Would he shoot better?

The Moody stans are calling Kerr an idiot for not playing Moody more. Are they sure he would shoot better or play better with 50% more minutes than he's getting? It would be about double the minutes he got last season.

Are they sure more minutes for Moses would result in more team wins? Or do they even care about the results for the team?

All they see are the brief stints when Moody is on the floor. Just maybe, Kerr and the coaching staff have also seen him in practice and have tape of him in games and practice, where they broke down the things he's done right and the things he needs to improve on to get a bigger role and determined that he hasn't responded to the things they want him to do.

One thing that is obvious is that he doesn't always take the shots which are created. He may not have the quick release of Klay or Curry but he's been gun shy if there's any hint of a contest.

Again, if he was a plus defender, maybe the expectations on him to shoot wouldn't be as great.


But with the current run which the team is on, strange time to complain about how minutes are being allocated. Team is not only winning but have had some easy wins, biggest margins of victory of the season. Fake Warriors fans, probably.

Kerr is an idiot for not playing Moody more. Kerr was an idiot for not playing Kuminga more.

Moody was playable in the playoffs. Is Podz? Is Quinones? You want to take a couple rounds to find out? Having seen this team blow it more than once in the finals because it couldn't find a worthy player to field I would have thought its fans would place a premium on players who have shown they are playable in crunch time.

Podz looks okay but he is a Donte to me for now. The theoretical weakness with having him in the closing lineup is clear and that last Utah game did nothing to remove it.

[Sandy333]

Lester signing a standard contract means Moody slides down in the pecking order. Moody needs to discover his shooting touch, else he could be out of the nba soon.

[Crazy-Canuck]

This organization and especially kerr did moody dirty.

[michaelm]

Team is playing well right now, maybe the best they have all season.

But Moody stans aren't happy, because Klay is getting more minutes than their guy.

Clearly they care more about their draft evaluations from watching Youtube than the fate of the team.

Moses is playing the most minutes of his career and is getting more shots in all categories, highest PPG and MPG. But his efficiency is down, 34.7% on 3.1 3PA per game compared to 36.3% on 2.1 3PA in his previous 2 seasons.

If only Moses was getting most of Klay's minutes or even starting, Warriors would have so many more wins!

The problem is, Moody is not a great defender like Wiggins or GP2, so he's got to be able to space the floor when he plays. Declining efficiency on greater shot attempts is not the way to do that.

Now, maybe give him 50% more minutes and he'd be at maybe 25-26 MPG. Then maybe his FGA would go up from 6.5 to around 10 and 3PA would go from 3.1 to 4.5-5.0.

Would he shoot better?

The Moody stans are calling Kerr an idiot for not playing Moody more. Are they sure he would shoot better or play better with 50% more minutes than he's getting? It would be about double the minutes he got last season.

Are they sure more minutes for Moses would result in more team wins? Or do they even care about the results for the team?

All they see are the brief stints when Moody is on the floor. Just maybe, Kerr and the coaching staff have also seen him in practice and have tape of him in games and practice, where they broke down the things he's done right and the things he needs to improve on to get a bigger role and determined that he hasn't responded to the things they want him to do.

One thing that is obvious is that he doesn't always take the shots which are created. He may not have the quick release of Klay or Curry but he's been gun shy if there's any hint of a contest.

Again, if he was a plus defender, maybe the expectations on him to shoot wouldn't be as great.


But with the current run which the team is on, strange time to complain about how minutes are being allocated. Team is not only winning but have had some easy wins, biggest margins of victory of the season. Fake Warriors fans, probably.

The problem is that Utah, basically a tanking team at this stage in proceedings, nearly won a game in the closing minutes despite conceding a massive lead earlier in the game by playing the same tactics which eliminated GSW in the play-offs last season when employed by the Lakers. The players in the closing unit perhaps could have been tired on a long road trip, but are unlikely to become any taller, and are still slow when rested.

[SpreeS]

Moody is way better on defence than Lester. Has bigger frame and arms also more physical. So better at steals, blocks, o-reb, finisher at the rim, less fouls prone. Last year PO showed how valuable he can be. Perfect 3n'D guy only needs to be trusted. Perfect fit to this team. I dont know in what areas Lester is good and what role doeas he have.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Team is playing well right now, maybe the best they have all season.

But Moody stans aren't happy, because Klay is getting more minutes than their guy.

Clearly they care more about their draft evaluations from watching Youtube than the fate of the team.

Moses is playing the most minutes of his career and is getting more shots in all categories, highest PPG and MPG. But his efficiency is down, 34.7% on 3.1 3PA per game compared to 36.3% on 2.1 3PA in his previous 2 seasons.

If only Moses was getting most of Klay's minutes or even starting, Warriors would have so many more wins!

The problem is, Moody is not a great defender like Wiggins or GP2, so he's got to be able to space the floor when he plays. Declining efficiency on greater shot attempts is not the way to do that.

Now, maybe give him 50% more minutes and he'd be at maybe 25-26 MPG. Then maybe his FGA would go up from 6.5 to around 10 and 3PA would go from 3.1 to 4.5-5.0.

Would he shoot better?

The Moody stans are calling Kerr an idiot for not playing Moody more. Are they sure he would shoot better or play better with 50% more minutes than he's getting? It would be about double the minutes he got last season.

Are they sure more minutes for Moses would result in more team wins? Or do they even care about the results for the team?

All they see are the brief stints when Moody is on the floor. Just maybe, Kerr and the coaching staff have also seen him in practice and have tape of him in games and practice, where they broke down the things he's done right and the things he needs to improve on to get a bigger role and determined that he hasn't responded to the things they want him to do.

One thing that is obvious is that he doesn't always take the shots which are created. He may not have the quick release of Klay or Curry but he's been gun shy if there's any hint of a contest.

Again, if he was a plus defender, maybe the expectations on him to shoot wouldn't be as great.


But with the current run which the team is on, strange time to complain about how minutes are being allocated. Team is not only winning but have had some easy wins, biggest margins of victory of the season. Fake Warriors fans, probably.

Kerr is an idiot for not playing Moody more. Kerr was an idiot for not playing Kuminga more.

Moody was playable in the playoffs. Is Podz? Is Quinones? You want to take a couple rounds to find out? Having seen this team blow it more than once in the finals because it couldn't find a worthy player to field I would have thought its fans would place a premium on players who have shown they are playable in crunch time.

Podz looks okay but he is a Donte to me for now. The theoretical weakness with having him in the closing lineup is clear and that last Utah game did nothing to remove it.

Moody was supposed to be a great defender because of his long arms but I don’t think he is a great defender. I think people are attached to who they thought Moody was going to be.

On offense I am happy with Moody floor spacing with efficient open catch and shoot 3s. I am glad Moody does not try to do things he can’t do.

I am not sure Moody can shoot with a hand in his face. I don’t think Moody creates much for himself or for others. At least Moody can take what the defense gives him but if he can only take what he is given he needs to actually be the defender that many on this board think that he is. I wish I could give Moody Payton’s gambling defensive havoc creating game or peak Klay’s defensive footwork and techniques.

I think Moody is an NBA level player but maybe more a 9th man level player than a 7th man level player.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Moody is way better on defence than Lester. Has bigger frame and arms also more physical. So better at steals, blocks, o-reb, finisher at the rim, less fouls prone. Last year PO showed how valuable he can be. Perfect 3n'D guy only needs to be trusted. Perfect fit to this team. I dont know in what areas Lester is good and what role doeas he have.

I am not sure about that. Lester puts pressure on the pall. Lester is in constant motion. Moody seemed more cautious and less energetic to me.

[The-Power]

Moody is our 2nd best non Center rebounder. We clearly lack the ability to rebound, he needs to play more.

We are 13th in DRB%, 4th in ORB% and our DRB% is almost identical whether or not Moody is on the floor (he seems to help on the offensive board, though). Rebounding is not as much of an issue as it is often made out to be on this board, and Moody is not the obvious solution to this purported problem either.

[watch1958]

This thread is filled with so much bump fodder.

[michaelm]

Team is playing well right now, maybe the best they have all season.

But Moody stans aren't happy, because Klay is getting more minutes than their guy.

Clearly they care more about their draft evaluations from watching Youtube than the fate of the team.

Moses is playing the most minutes of his career and is getting more shots in all categories, highest PPG and MPG. But his efficiency is down, 34.7% on 3.1 3PA per game compared to 36.3% on 2.1 3PA in his previous 2 seasons.

If only Moses was getting most of Klay's minutes or even starting, Warriors would have so many more wins!

The problem is, Moody is not a great defender like Wiggins or GP2, so he's got to be able to space the floor when he plays. Declining efficiency on greater shot attempts is not the way to do that.

Now, maybe give him 50% more minutes and he'd be at maybe 25-26 MPG. Then maybe his FGA would go up from 6.5 to around 10 and 3PA would go from 3.1 to 4.5-5.0.

Would he shoot better?

The Moody stans are calling Kerr an idiot for not playing Moody more. Are they sure he would shoot better or play better with 50% more minutes than he's getting? It would be about double the minutes he got last season.

Are they sure more minutes for Moses would result in more team wins? Or do they even care about the results for the team?

All they see are the brief stints when Moody is on the floor. Just maybe, Kerr and the coaching staff have also seen him in practice and have tape of him in games and practice, where they broke down the things he's done right and the things he needs to improve on to get a bigger role and determined that he hasn't responded to the things they want him to do.

One thing that is obvious is that he doesn't always take the shots which are created. He may not have the quick release of Klay or Curry but he's been gun shy if there's any hint of a contest.

Again, if he was a plus defender, maybe the expectations on him to shoot wouldn't be as great.


But with the current run which the team is on, strange time to complain about how minutes are being allocated. Team is not only winning but have had some easy wins, biggest margins of victory of the season. Fake Warriors fans, probably.

Kerr is an idiot for not playing Moody more. Kerr was an idiot for not playing Kuminga more.

Moody was playable in the playoffs. Is Podz? Is Quinones? You want to take a couple rounds to find out? Having seen this team blow it more than once in the finals because it couldn't find a worthy player to field I would have thought its fans would place a premium on players who have shown they are playable in crunch time.

Podz looks okay but he is a Donte to me for now. The theoretical weakness with having him in the closing lineup is clear and that last Utah game did nothing to remove it.

Moody was supposed to be a great defender because of his long arms but I don’t think he is a great defender. I think people are attached to who they thought Moody was going to be.

On offense I am happy with Moody floor spacing with efficient open catch and shoot 3s. I am glad Moody does not try to do things he can’t do.

I am not sure Moody can shoot with a hand in his face. I don’t think Moody creates much for himself or for others. At least Moody can take what the defense gives him but if he can only take what he is given he needs to actually be the defender that many on this board think that he is. I wish I could give Moody Payton’s gambling defensive havoc creating game or peak Klay’s defensive footwork and techniques.

I think Moody is an NBA level player but maybe more a 9th man level player than a 7th man level player.

Moody may or may not warrant more playing time on the basis of his performances this season, although it is hard to get any rhythm going just playing here and there and he seems to be a confidence guy who needs regular minutes and perhaps does defer to galactic quality shooters when sharing the court with them I would have thought Poole and to some degree Klay Thompson this year have demonstrated conscienceless chucking is not the way to go either however.

The issue prople have with Kerr’s employment of Moody stems from the play-offs last year when after being overlooked in favour of 2-way players in the regular season he was given minutes in the play-offs and did very well, including making 3 point shots at a high percentage, despite which Kerr wouldn’t extend his minutes even when the team was losing.

[wco81]

He had good minutes in the 2021-22 playoffs too, the year they won it all.

But then the following regular seasons, he doesn't get consistent minutes, though over the course of his career, his minutes have increased and this season is the highest of his career.

There must be something going on in practice or something.

Yeah every time he does well in the playoffs, Kerr says it's a credit to him that he "stayed read" even if he didn't get consistent playing time in the regular season.

Maybe they didn't like the way the other lower rotation players were playing in the playoffs so he went to Moody as more of a last resort.

[michaelm]

He had good minutes in the 2021-22 playoffs too, the year they won it all.

But then the following regular seasons, he doesn't get consistent minutes, though over the course of his career, his minutes have increased and this season is the highest of his career.

There must be something going on in practice or something.

Yeah every time he does well in the playoffs, Kerr says it's a credit to him that he "stayed read" even if he didn't get consistent playing time in the regular season.

Maybe they didn't like the way the other lower rotation players were playing in the playoffs so he went to Moody as more of a last resort.

I think not being a PG is against him as far as Kerr is concerned. Kerr seems to always want multiple PGs on the roster, including some who were definitely not up to NBA standard, although they were admittedly mostly deep bench players.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

He had good minutes in the 2021-22 playoffs too, the year they won it all.

But then the following regular seasons, he doesn't get consistent minutes, though over the course of his career, his minutes have increased and this season is the highest of his career.

There must be something going on in practice or something.

Yeah every time he does well in the playoffs, Kerr says it's a credit to him that he "stayed read" even if he didn't get consistent playing time in the regular season.

Maybe they didn't like the way the other lower rotation players were playing in the playoffs so he went to Moody as more of a last resort.

I think not being a PG is against him as far as Kerr is concerned. Kerr seems to always want multiple PGs on the roster, including some who were definitely not up to NBA standard, although they were admittedly mostly deep bench players.

Klay also is not a point guard. I think current Klay passes better than peak Klay did but Klay is still not good at passing. Payton has point guard speed and point guard height but Payton is not a point guard. Quinones is not a point guard. A couple people on our board think Quinones is a point guard but they are wrong. Iguodala was almost a point guard but Kuminga and Wiggins are not almost point guards.

Our playmaker point guard types are Chris Paul, Curry , Draymond and Podz.

[DevinVassell]

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Such a fan of this guy in general. Great head on his shoulders. Night and day to IceSpice (Poole)

His warriors tenure has been an absolute travesty.

[Romulus]

The sad, strange case of Moses Moody. Steve Kerr either likes you or he doesn't. If he doesn't? It really doesn't matter what you do or how well you play. And if he does like you? Your name can be Wanamaker, Chiozza, Mannion, Joseph, Saric, JTA, and you're going to get minutes regardless of how poorly you play.

Moody, in very limited opportunities, has played well. He shoots the ball well. With range. He's shown good instincts on defense and he hustles. He also has nice length. And he appears to be the ultimate team guy. He takes it all in stride. He plays winning basketball, but he does have some limitations. He's not overly quick. He's not in any way creative with the ball in his hands.

Why is he still here? Why hasn't he been traded? My guess. First, yes, Kerr does not like his game at all. He made his decision almost immediately in regards to Moody never playing here. However, with Klay Thompson's struggles, my guess is the FO has wanted to keep him as insurance. And if for some reason Klay does sign elsewhere in the off-season, the FO likes the thought of Moody being the replacement (even though Kerr would never make that commitment).

And so there you have it. A good guy. A good teammate. A player with a different coach who could start and be a very solid NBA player. But not here. Not in this system with this coach.

Please. Do Moses a favor. Do the fans a favor.

Trade him. He deserves an opportunity.

[CDM_Stats]

6'5 wing/forward, 7' wingspan, credible shooter, hustle players, quality rebounder, quality defender at the age of 21. Just no minutes for that type of player on a .500 team

[michaelm]

6'5 wing/forward, 7' wingspan, credible shooter, hustle players, quality rebounder, quality defender at the age of 21. Just no minutes for that type of player on a .500 team

Not suitable for a small ball coach. The end.

[WarriorGM]

He had good minutes in the 2021-22 playoffs too, the year they won it all.

But then the following regular seasons, he doesn't get consistent minutes, though over the course of his career, his minutes have increased and this season is the highest of his career.

There must be something going on in practice or something.

Yeah every time he does well in the playoffs, Kerr says it's a credit to him that he "stayed read" even if he didn't get consistent playing time in the regular season.

Maybe they didn't like the way the other lower rotation players were playing in the playoffs so he went to Moody as more of a last resort.

You keep bringing up this is a year with him having the most minutes of his career so I decided to take a look at the lineups he's been playing in on the NBA Stats site.

Most of his minutes he's been paired with Saric. They don't really seem to have good chemistry judging by how half of them have negative net ratings. On the other hand if you sort the lineups by net rating

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced?TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&slug=advanced&sort=NET_RATING

it's surprising how often Moody's name comes up. True nearly all of them are one minute stretches but there are lots of promising lineups that Moody it seems could be part of. Yet we've barely seen him play with Steph and Draymond without Klay also being present.

I'm now getting to the view that if Steph is serious about winning he's going to have to do something uncharacteristic for him and stage some sort of intervention. Kerr's rotations are so mystifying I cannot rule out he's sabotaging the team's chances.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Kerr values offense above all else. His default under stress is to go smoller and use more three point shooters irrespective of the situation. It doesn’t matter if the other team has great perimeter defenders or if they are taller and faster too. He’s just a smol balls addict. He can’t help himself.

JK and Moody does not fit into what he considers winning basketball. At least JK can drive, but Moody might as well be a leper to him. Unless a player shoots threes or is a journeyman, he is essentially dead to him. Hmm… shoots three, journeyman, sounds like some blonde guy we know.

He totally neglects the defensive side of the ball and I believe his assistants in the past staged regular interventions. The JK situation was a miracle upon itself, here’s a guy that doesn’t shoot the three very well but when he started playing the Warriors started winning. Kerr was a genius from having the team lose so many games so that Kuminga would be ready (sarcasm). It took a major intervention for JK to get minutes and it would take nothing less than the improbable for Moody to play because he doesn’t fit into Kerr’s mind of what a player is. But I believe him to be the last piece to finalize the starting lineup against teams like Denver or the Lakers.

Remember the hapless Kerr during the press conferences early in the year spinning the losses looking all miserable and pathetic. Now that the team is winning, his job as a politician is much easier. All the fans are asking is to at least see Moody get some run. Defense started this winning period, not four guard lineups. Whoever forced Kerr to play JK, please do the same for Moody. And please integrate him into the game plan. It sucks for a player to go in cold without a role and try to create for himself.

[Onus]

I think the issue is that Kerr doesn't see Moses as a guard or a 4. So he's strictly a 3, so he has to compete with Wiggins, Klay, JK, GP2 for minutes at a single position.