2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ShayDee]

Bourne is a legit troll confirmed

His opinions here have to be questioned if he is legit/serious from time to time

[xdrta+]

James Wiseman tweets, 'F*сk Amеrica Bro I'm Moving to Hawaii.' The tweet is supposed to be about him "moving to Hawaii" to get out of the United States if Donald Trump wins a second term.

Um... it may as well been Wiseman.

https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/09/hassan-whiteside-claims-fck-america-im-moving-to-hawaii-tweet-presidential-debate-tweet-fake

That's Hassan Whiteside, not James Wiseman.

He knows that, he just has this irrational hostility to Wiseman.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

James Wiseman tweets, 'F*сk Amеrica Bro I'm Moving to Hawaii.' The tweet is supposed to be about him "moving to Hawaii" to get out of the United States if Donald Trump wins a second term.

Um... it may as well been Wiseman.

https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/09/hassan-whiteside-claims-fck-america-im-moving-to-hawaii-tweet-presidential-debate-tweet-fake

That's Hassan Whiteside, not James Wiseman.

Javalee McGee was/is a doofus on the court from time to time, but is actually a pretty intellectual individual off the court.
Now, Whiteside, on the other hand, wow....

[Mylie10]

James Wiseman tweets, 'F*сk Amеrica Bro I'm Moving to Hawaii.' The tweet is supposed to be about him "moving to Hawaii" to get out of the United States if Donald Trump wins a second term.

Um... it may as well been Wiseman.

https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/09/hassan-whiteside-claims-fck-america-im-moving-to-hawaii-tweet-presidential-debate-tweet-fake

That's Hassan Whiteside, not James Wiseman.

He knows, he’s just being a you know what.

And how can Wiseman be overrated? He was consensus number one in his class for multiple years prior to going to college. Now you have sites all over with him falling, some as far as out of the top 10.

[ShayDee]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

[Mylie10]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

Conspiracy theory

[TB]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

Maybe its just the covid era, but i'm shocked how little self-hyping has been going on for majority of this class. I actually think Wiseman has been the most active in regards to trying to show what hes working on and where he is at...

I can't believe there hasn't been (or at least i haven't seen) updates from Okongwu to try to show everyone his jumper or physique.... does he have a promise, or does he think his ugly form and narrow shoulders would hurt his hype as the next Bam?

Feels like usually we see a bunch of workouts and flexing by lotto hopefuls. Feel like all ive seen is Wiseman, Stanley, Deni, a couple dunks from RJ... Maybe just the sign of the times with covid...

[northoakland510]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

After that game last night none of those guards and forwards will help against the Lakers size.

[jason bourne]

James Wiseman tweets, 'F*сk Amеrica Bro I'm Moving to Hawaii.' The tweet is supposed to be about him "moving to Hawaii" to get out of the United States if Donald Trump wins a second term.

Um... it may as well been Wiseman.

https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/09/hassan-whiteside-claims-fck-america-im-moving-to-hawaii-tweet-presidential-debate-tweet-fake

That's Hassan Whiteside, not James Wiseman.

He knows that, he just has this irrational hostility to Wiseman.

You know it. But I wouldn't call it irrational. I just have to keep pointing out that Wiseman is like Hassan Whiteside. Just know what you're getting and are drafting for need at #2 instead of the BPA. Otherwise, Wiseman would be #1 the way his fans get carried away and make up stuff about him. He had three okay games at Memphis. I would've liked to see him pay back the money and continue his college career. That's a rational thing to ask for. Then, we could make a rational decision about him for the draft. Now? Pass him up. Something is wrong. If I say the L-word, then I get criticized for racism. Suffice it to say that Wiseman has plenty of red flags. Even his supporters admit it,

'"Now, the thing about Wiseman is that there are always questions about his competitiveness and whether or not he loves basketball," Dauster said. "Of all the red flags you see come along with big guys that kind of loff their way through high school and loff their way through college a little bit, and it hasn't been helped by the fact that he basically quit on his Memphis team earlier this month.'

...

'"Now, the problem there is, Wiseman to me, is probably two or three years from really becoming the guy that you want him to be when you're drafting him," Dauster said, "and I don't know if you have a two- or three-year window with this crop of players. How long is Steph Curry going to be at his peak? How long is Klay Thompson going to be at his peak? Have those guys already crossed that threshold and now on the downside of their careers?'

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/why-james-wiseman-not-perfect-fit-warriors-nba-draft

Instead, give me a big C ready to play next season -- https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/center/.

[ShayDee]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

Maybe its just the covid era, but i'm shocked how little self-hyping has been going on for majority of this class. I actually think Wiseman has been the most active in regards to trying to show what hes working on and where he is at...

I can't believe there hasn't been (or at least i haven't seen) updates from Okongwu to try to show everyone his jumper or physique.... does he have a promise, or does he think his ugly form and narrow shoulders would hurt his hype as the next Bam?

Feels like usually we see a bunch of workouts and flexing by lotto hopefuls. Feel like all ive seen is Wiseman, Stanley, Deni, a couple dunks from RJ... Maybe just the sign of the times with covid...

Alot of players have posted more recent stuff than Wiseman. Earlier Wiseman was posting so many hype vids of his ball handling and workouts. He just strangely stopped

I've seen a recent video from RJ, Tyrell Terry, Lamelo has literally been so much in the news, Haliburton and Hayes putting out they talked to us. Wiseman just went

[xdrta+]

He knows that, he just has this irrational hostility to Wiseman.

You know it. But I wouldn't call it irrational.

Believing he isn't the best choice to draft is one thing. The personal hostility you show towards him is only rational in your fevered imagination.

[TB]

Wiseman has been acting strange and awfully silent. The fact that his draft stock is "falling" should spark some sort of campaign from his agent right? I mean we seeing Lamelo/Haliburton/Deni/Hayes/Terry/Vassell/Okoro and everyone around on sites yet Wiseman is nowhere. There is definitely some promise somewhere that he likes

Who knows it might be us, and we are swinging Deni/Haliburton around to try and get teams to trade up. Maybe we promised if he is at 2 and we don't trade down we take him, otherwise CHA promised they take him at 3

Maybe its just the covid era, but i'm shocked how little self-hyping has been going on for majority of this class. I actually think Wiseman has been the most active in regards to trying to show what hes working on and where he is at...

I can't believe there hasn't been (or at least i haven't seen) updates from Okongwu to try to show everyone his jumper or physique.... does he have a promise, or does he think his ugly form and narrow shoulders would hurt his hype as the next Bam?

Feels like usually we see a bunch of workouts and flexing by lotto hopefuls. Feel like all ive seen is Wiseman, Stanley, Deni, a couple dunks from RJ... Maybe just the sign of the times with covid...

Alot of players have posted more recent stuff than Wiseman. Earlier Wiseman was posting so many hype vids of his ball handling and workouts. He just strangely stopped

I've seen a recent video from RJ, Tyrell Terry, Lamelo has literally been so much in the news, Haliburton and Hayes putting out they talked to us. Wiseman just went

Good to know, i'll check for those.

[Mylie10]

He knows that, he just has this irrational hostility to Wiseman.

You know it. But I wouldn't call it irrational.

Believing he isn't the best choice to draft is one thing. The personal hostility you show towards him is only rational in your fevered imagination.

Not to mention he calls out people for making stuff up by posting a quote that Whiteside made and attached it to Wiseman lol

Not sure what has been made up about Wiseman anyhow. I haven’t heard one person, including myself who has said they know Wisemans mind.

[jason bourne]

He knows, he’s just being a you know what.

And how can Wiseman be overrated? He was consensus number one in his class for multiple years prior to going to college. Now you have sites all over with him falling, some as far as out of the top 10.

No, I'm not. You're just a hater because of Wiseman.

Instead, if you want a big man why not use the #2 to trade down and grab the Warriors pick at #5 (and Andre Drummond for one-year?), or #6 (and John Collins?), #7 (and Luke Kennard?, Derrick Rose for one-year?), or #8 (Frank Ntilikina and Kevin Knox? or others?), etc.? You just said Wiseman was falling.

[ShayDee]

Good to know, i'll check for those.

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Boys? Am I insane when I have been saying this since the beginning?

I have been hyping my boy, my recent posts here have called Neismith underrated

I have named many players that will help us.

Sam Merrill, Nate Darling, Justinian Jessup, Malik Fitts, Trevelin Queen, Immanuel Quickley, Isaiah Joe

Shooting. Shooting Shooting!!!!!!!

Someone with Bob Myers contact info. Please relay this message. Steph and Klay are not enough, and I do not trust Mulder, well maybe I trust him more than a few of these prospects but Desmond Bane is still the man

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was on the Wiseman-hype train for some time, but now it's began to sputter downhill. The more old/available videos I watched of his high school, prep school, and his lone 3 games at Memphis in-game action, the more I'm not convinced he'll be a franchise altering, cornerstone-type player.

Let me explain to you guys why:
Sure, he's your typical athletically gifted 7-footer who's physical attributes is something to salivate over if it were the 80s, 90s, and 2000s era. But, this league has trended or transformed into a perimeter-oriented game and you need players who are capable of at least possessing any (if not, most) of these perimeter skills: ball-handling, making the right pass/plays/decisions, shoot the 3s well, and defend the perimeter. Finding bigs who can do big things like rebounding and defending inside the paint (Scoring is a plus from traditional 5s) should be the minimum requirement. Now, if bigs have any guard/perimeter skills, that's added bonus/value.. And a lot of big men these days either possessed these skills already or have added them to their offensive repertoire to become more of value to a team/league. Those are unicorns; you don't come across them everyday.

So, given what I've seen at this point:
He gives you rebounding, rim protection, a developing jumper, rim-running, and pick-n-roll action. He currently does not possess any consistent back-to-the-basket moves nor does he have a face-up game in the post (Maybe those will come in time as he matures and learns it?); Points come from rim-running, put-backs, jumpers, pick-n-rolls, and from passes/lobs. Wiseman does lack perimeter skills needed to play a more perimeter-oriented game, so he'll be at a disadvantage.

Overall, I see two (2) things:

1) He'll be a quality role player who gives you what a traditional 5 would. But, right now, due to his limitations on the perimeter, he'll struggle to find consistent minutes and will be used as a matchup opportunity.

2) He's a PROJECT as they will patiently wait and mold him to fit into the modern NBA (aka high-risk, high-bust potential). Will Curry and Co. be willing to wait for him to get better (It's an IF, not WHEN) is the question?

But, what the hell do I know?

[ShayDee]

I was on the Wiseman-hype train for some time, but now it's began to sputter downhill. The more old/available videos I watched of his high school, prep school, and his lone 3 games at Memphis in-game action, the more I'm not convinced he'll be a franchise altering, cornerstone-type player.

Let me explain to you guys why:
Sure, he's your typical athletically gifted 7-footer who's physical attributes is something to salivate over if it were the 80s, 90s, and 2000s era. But, this league has trended or transformed into a perimeter-oriented game and you need players who are capable of at least possessing any (if not, most) of these perimeter skills: ball-handling, making the right pass/plays/decisions, shoot the 3s well, and defend the perimeter. Finding bigs who can do big things like rebounding and defending inside the paint (Scoring is a plus from traditional 5s) should be the minimum requirement. Now, if bigs have any guard/perimeter skills, that's added bonus/value.. And a lot of big men these days either possessed these skills already or have added them to their offensive repertoire to become more of value to a team/league. Those are unicorns; you don't come across them everyday.

So, given what I've seen at this point:
He gives you rebounding, rim protection, a developing jumper, rim-running, and pick-n-roll action. He currently does not possess any consistent back-to-the-basket nor does he have a face-up game in the post (Maybe those will come in time as he matures and learns it?); Points come from rim-running, put-backs, jumpers, pick-n-rolls, and from passes/lobs. Wiseman does lack perimeter skills needed to play a more perimeter-oriented game, so he'll be at a disadvantage. Overall, I see him as a quality role player who gives you what a traditional 5 would. But, due to his limitations on the perimeter, he'll struggle to find consistent minutes and will be used as a matchup opportunity.

But, what the hell do I know?

Wiseman can hit open jumpers, how many minimum bigs can do that currently?

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was on the Wiseman-hype train for some time, but now it's began to sputter downhill. The more old/available videos I watched of his high school, prep school, and his lone 3 games at Memphis in-game action, the more I'm not convinced he'll be a franchise altering, cornerstone-type player.

Let me explain to you guys why:
Sure, he's your typical athletically gifted 7-footer who's physical attributes is something to salivate over if it were the 80s, 90s, and 2000s era. But, this league has trended or transformed into a perimeter-oriented game and you need players who are capable of at least possessing any (if not, most) of these perimeter skills: ball-handling, making the right pass/plays/decisions, shoot the 3s well, and defend the perimeter. Finding bigs who can do big things like rebounding and defending inside the paint (Scoring is a plus from traditional 5s) should be the minimum requirement. Now, if bigs have any guard/perimeter skills, that's added bonus/value.. And a lot of big men these days either possessed these skills already or have added them to their offensive repertoire to become more of value to a team/league. Those are unicorns; you don't come across them everyday.

So, given what I've seen at this point:
He gives you rebounding, rim protection, a developing jumper, rim-running, and pick-n-roll action. He currently does not possess any consistent back-to-the-basket nor does he have a face-up game in the post (Maybe those will come in time as he matures and learns it?); Points come from rim-running, put-backs, jumpers, pick-n-rolls, and from passes/lobs. Wiseman does lack perimeter skills needed to play a more perimeter-oriented game, so he'll be at a disadvantage. Overall, I see him as a quality role player who gives you what a traditional 5 would. But, due to his limitations on the perimeter, he'll struggle to find consistent minutes and will be used as a matchup opportunity.

But, what the hell do I know?

Wiseman can hit open jumpers, how many minimum bigs can do that currently?

Just re-submitted my post when you responded. Read it if you want to get an idea on what I see of Wiseman.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was on the Wiseman-hype train for some time, but now it's began to sputter downhill. The more old/available videos I watched of his high school, prep school, and his lone 3 games at Memphis in-game action, the more I'm not convinced he'll be a franchise altering, cornerstone-type player.

Let me explain to you guys why:
Sure, he's your typical athletically gifted 7-footer who's physical attributes is something to salivate over if it were the 80s, 90s, and 2000s era. But, this league has trended or transformed into a perimeter-oriented game and you need players who are capable of at least possessing any (if not, most) of these perimeter skills: ball-handling, making the right pass/plays/decisions, shoot the 3s well, and defend the perimeter. Finding bigs who can do big things like rebounding and defending inside the paint (Scoring is a plus from traditional 5s) should be the minimum requirement. Now, if bigs have any guard/perimeter skills, that's added bonus/value.. And a lot of big men these days either possessed these skills already or have added them to their offensive repertoire to become more of value to a team/league. Those are unicorns; you don't come across them everyday.

So, given what I've seen at this point:
He gives you rebounding, rim protection, a developing jumper, rim-running, and pick-n-roll action. He currently does not possess any consistent back-to-the-basket nor does he have a face-up game in the post (Maybe those will come in time as he matures and learns it?); Points come from rim-running, put-backs, jumpers, pick-n-rolls, and from passes/lobs. Wiseman does lack perimeter skills needed to play a more perimeter-oriented game, so he'll be at a disadvantage. Overall, I see him as a quality role player who gives you what a traditional 5 would. But, due to his limitations on the perimeter, he'll struggle to find consistent minutes and will be used as a matchup opportunity.

But, what the hell do I know?

Wiseman can hit open jumpers, how many minimum bigs can do that currently?

It's one thing to have an automatic warm-up/practice/gym jumper, but can he take and make them consistently within a real game? For now, I'll only rely on data/stats.

I met Kevon Looney at the opening of Chase Center a year ago, and had asked what to expect from him this season. He said expect him to start shooting corner 3s. Not sure if he was kidding or not, as there are videos of him launching 3s in practice (Granted, he got injured this past season). But, I don't think he's taken and/or made 3s in his pro career, thus far? Didn't see Coach Kerr run a play that calls for Looney to take a corner 3.