is Klay done?

[wco81]

How much does an all Defense player, a perennial one, who has some offensive playmaking skills, get?

Think of some talented offensive teams who are considered soft on defense.

They may think of Draymond as the final piece to make a good contention run.

Tucker isn't all-defense but he gets $10 million a year at age 35.

[Onus]

Neither dray or Klay should get a bigger extension than Wiggins.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Neither dray or Klay should get a bigger extension than Wiggins.

I have a feeling that many organizations will cite his contract while the player agents will use poole as the barometer.

Guys like Grant, OG etc. will probably look for 30M per year and that might even be the case for klay and dray as well.

[Onus]

Neither dray or Klay should get a bigger extension than Wiggins.

I have a feeling that many organizations will cite his contract while the player agents will use poole as the barometer.

Guys like Grant, OG etc. will probably look for 30M per year and that might even be the case for klay and dray as well.

I’m only speaking on Klay and drays contract. Klay especially shouldn’t be getting more than Wiggins.

[Onus]

Will add that Klays off ball defense has been better. He’s actually rotating down and using verticality in a few plays.

[bay2hk]

Nobody is giving Draymond anything close to 100 million

LeGM and the Pistons disagrees.

Pistons Yeah, I'm sure they're dying to overpay for a guy that levels young players.

His only hope is LeGM forcing the Lakers hand on a bloated contract, Knowing Lebron, he would probably do it moreso to slow Steph from winning more than bringing Dray in to win with him.

I wouldn’t underestimate the pistons. They love their bigs and dray is from Michigan

[Coxy]

LeGM and the Pistons disagrees.

Pistons Yeah, I'm sure they're dying to overpay for a guy that levels young players.

His only hope is LeGM forcing the Lakers hand on a bloated contract, Knowing Lebron, he would probably do it moreso to slow Steph from winning more than bringing Dray in to win with him.

I wouldn’t underestimate the pistons. They love their bigs and dray is from Michigan

The Pistons might see Draymond as a potential culture changer as well, bringing a proven winner in.

[Impuniti]

Pistons Yeah, I'm sure they're dying to overpay for a guy that levels young players.

His only hope is LeGM forcing the Lakers hand on a bloated contract, Knowing Lebron, he would probably do it moreso to slow Steph from winning more than bringing Dray in to win with him.

I wouldn’t underestimate the pistons. They love their bigs and dray is from Michigan

The Pistons might see Draymond as a potential culture changer as well, bringing a proven winner in.

A winner who assaulted a young teammate half his size.

[Impuniti]

Neither dray or Klay should get a bigger extension than Wiggins.

I have a feeling that many organizations will cite his contract while the player agents will use poole as the barometer.

Guys like Grant, OG etc. will probably look for 30M per year and that might even be the case for klay and dray as well.

JP is not the same case as those two though, one is young and hopefully improves. The only way going for 32-33 year old guys is down unless your name is Lebron, Steph or KD.

[Onus]

Pistons Yeah, I'm sure they're dying to overpay for a guy that levels young players.

His only hope is LeGM forcing the Lakers hand on a bloated contract, Knowing Lebron, he would probably do it moreso to slow Steph from winning more than bringing Dray in to win with him.

I wouldn’t underestimate the pistons. They love their bigs and dray is from Michigan

The Pistons might see Draymond as a potential culture changer as well, bringing a proven winner in.

Draymond can barely get enough energy to play regular season games now. You think he’s going to have energy with a rebuilding team winning 20 games a season?

[a8bil]

Without Klay, GSW would be out of the playoffs already (if they would have made it to the playoffs at all).

The discussion here has (thankfully) evolved to what size of a contract does Klay deserve at the tail end of his career, which I think is a fair question, but where this started -- "is klay done?' -- has been answered with an emphatic "No!". By now, at his age, he would have been a step slower than the young PGs in the league irrespective of his injuries, but he continues to show he can impact the game on both ends of the court -- the shooting percentages of players when Klay is guarding them is surprisingly low. That Klay has come back to this level after two devastating injuries is remarkable and a testament to Klay's work ethic.

[Hoopstar23]

Klay was baby **** along with Poole... we need to trade him before he turns into Kyle Korver but as a max player! lol

[Crazy-Canuck]

He really needs to turn back into a catch and shoot guy. There's too much dribble and trying to initiate offense in his game now.

He needs to play off others, not be the guy that breaks people off the dribble and create for others.

[weekend_warrior]

43 million for a catch&shoot guy that doesn't play a lick of defense is also hard to stomach.

Could still find a trade though, as he is a large expiring.

[wco81]

The vultures are out again after being shut up the previous game.

[Hoopstar23]

The vultures are out again after being shut up the previous game.

we really needed game 6 Klay, instead we got baby **** Klay and it smells really bad

[weekend_warrior]

Klay played well the game before mostly because he made shots at a high clip, some of them with ridiculous difficulty. That's usually not sustainable and emphasizes the problem, that in 2023 he offers little when he doesn't make these shots. It's the pattern which is visible for the entire season already.

[wco81]

With injuries to Curry and Wiggins' absence, the Warriors might not have even made the playoffs without Klay.

And Poole for that matter.

And they won't get far in the playoffs unless both of them produce to a certain extent.

Curry can't play 45 MPG and put up 30 shots every game.

[DonaldSanders]

Klay played well the game before mostly because he made shots at a high clip, some of them with ridiculous difficulty. That's usually not sustainable and emphasizes the problem, that in 2023 he offers little when he doesn't make these shots. It's the pattern which is visible for the entire season already.

This is true. The other thing that I've noticed but haven't seen actual data on, is that he generally looks better on more rest which is a sign of aging. His legs often look dead on shorter rest like Game 6, hope he proves this wrong in Game 7 but next year he is going to be a 34yr old player making 43M.

I get worried when he plays a lot of minutes that the toll is going to come in the next game especially if it's a short rest, I really wonder if a lower minute count would keep him more efficient and energized.

[GSWFan1994]

Klay played well the game before mostly because he made shots at a high clip, some of them with ridiculous difficulty. That's usually not sustainable and emphasizes the problem, that in 2023 he offers little when he doesn't make these shots. It's the pattern which is visible for the entire season already.

This is true. The other thing that I've noticed but haven't seen actual data on, is that he generally looks better on more rest which is a sign of aging. His legs often look dead on shorter rest like Game 6, hope he proves this wrong in Game 7 but next year he is going to be a 34yr old player making 43M.

I get worried when he plays a lot of minutes that the toll is going to come in the next game especially if it's a short rest, I really wonder if a lower minute count would keep him more efficient and energized.

You can see the rest/home & away/before & post-ASG splits here.

He plays worse when there's more rest, though it's not a great sample (8 games only).

The home/away splits are more noticeable (which may be related to rest anyway, as there's travel-related), even more if you take into account he played more efficiently post-ASG.