Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[whatisacenter]

Trade bonuses can be a pain though, when matching salaries, since they they're not counted in outgoing salary, but are counted in the incoming salary for the receiving team. A player can waive all or part of the bonus, though, if it's a trade he wants and that's what is holding it up.

Yeah, the trade kicker and his ability to waive or reduce it gives him a little bit of agency over his future.

[Old_Blue]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron? Maybe someone else's alternative math is better than mine.

[statsman]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron? Maybe someone else's alternative math is better than mine.

They are delaying the signing of Seth until some time in November to stay under the 2nd apron.

The one that confuses me is Richard's signing. If they hadn't, Seth could be signed for the entire season. My only guess, as I really don't know, is maybe they couldn't offer Richard the 4-year rookie minimum salary contract for a 2nd round pick in the middle of a season.

[Old_Blue]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron? Maybe someone else's alternative math is better than mine.

They are delaying the signing of Seth until some time in November to stay under the 2nd apron.

The one that confuses me is Richard's signing. If they hadn't, Seth could be signed for the entire season. My only guess, as I really don't know, is maybe they couldn't offer Richard the 4-year rookie minimum salary contract for a 2nd round pick in the middle of a season.

Maybe management sees something in Richard. Maybe they're just being extra careful. In retrospect, it was a mistake not signing Post to a four year deal.

[DaHef]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron? Maybe someone else's alternative math is better than mine.

Is TJD going to have a camp battle with Marques Bolden?

[xdrta+]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron?

A trade bonus doesn't affect team salary, otherwise think what Curry's 15% kicker would do to the numbers. It makes sense because the bonus isn't paid until the player is traded in which case the salary is dropped from the total. It's part of the player's salary for the new team so it goes on their cap sheet.

[Old_Blue]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron?

A trade bonus doesn't affect team salary, otherwise think what Curry's 15% kicker would do to the numbers. It makes sense because the bonus isn't paid until the player is traded in which case the salary is dropped from the total. It's part of the player's salary for the new team so it goes on their cap sheet.

Someone else do the math. Even not accounting for the trade kicker, I'm still coming up with a team payroll that eclipses the 2nd apron - unless TJD's option isn't picked up.

[xdrta+]

In looking at the team's payroll, I have to ask...Did Kuminga's trade kicker effectively bump TJD off the team? How does TJD's team option get picked up without the team going over the 2nd apron?

A trade bonus doesn't affect team salary, otherwise think what Curry's 15% kicker would do to the numbers. It makes sense because the bonus isn't paid until the player is traded in which case the salary is dropped from the total. It's part of the player's salary for the new team so it goes on their cap sheet.

Someone else do the math. Even not accounting for the trade kicker, I'm still coming up with a team payroll that eclipses the 2nd apron - unless TJD's option isn't picked up.

Team salaries for cap and apron purposes include all salaries, guaranteed and non-guaranteed. The Warrior total salary number is, $205,804,430. This is $2,019,570 below the 2nd Apron. This won't change when TJD and Santos become guaranteed on 1/10/26. There's nothing to be picked up.

[wco81]

Kuminga with a 22.9 starting salary with a 15% trade kicker is 26,335,000 M. I think gsw pays the trade kicker in any trade.

Let the fun begin.

Kuminga's starting salary will be $22.5M. The trade kicker would be applied at the time of any trade, and it would be calculated against the remainder of the salary owed for the season.

Since he can't be traded until January 15th at the earliest, about half of the full amount would be gone. The most the trade kicker can be is about $1.7M, and the least it can be this season is $1.3M on the day of the trade deadline.

So, Kuminga would earn anywhere from $23.8M to $24.2M if traded this season. I would imagine the trade kicker was a bit of an incentive to have Kuminga agree to waive his no-trade clause on the contract.

Does the trade kicker count towards the salary sent out in a trade?

So let's say his total compensation was $24 million because of the trade kicker. In a trade, does his salary count for $24 million with the trade kicker or just 22.5 million without the trade kicker?

[xdrta+]

Kuminga with a 22.9 starting salary with a 15% trade kicker is 26,335,000 M. I think gsw pays the trade kicker in any trade.

Let the fun begin.

Kuminga's starting salary will be $22.5M. The trade kicker would be applied at the time of any trade, and it would be calculated against the remainder of the salary owed for the season.

Since he can't be traded until January 15th at the earliest, about half of the full amount would be gone. The most the trade kicker can be is about $1.7M, and the least it can be this season is $1.3M on the day of the trade deadline.

So, Kuminga would earn anywhere from $23.8M to $24.2M if traded this season. I would imagine the trade kicker was a bit of an incentive to have Kuminga agree to waive his no-trade clause on the contract.

Does the trade kicker count towards the salary sent out in a trade?

So let's say his total compensation was $24 million because of the trade kicker. In a trade, does his salary count for $24 million with the trade kicker or just 22.5 million without the trade kicker?

Much like the BYC, it doesn't count for the Warriors but does count for the team getting Kuminga.

[Old_Blue]

Team salaries for cap and apron purposes include all salaries, guaranteed and non-guaranteed. The Warrior total salary number is, $205,804,430. This is $2,019,570 below the 2nd Apron. This won't change when TJD and Santos become guaranteed on 1/10/26. There's nothing to be picked up.

I must be off somewhere. Not sure where...

Stephen Curry $59,606,817
Jimmy Butler $54,126,450
Draymond Green $25,892,857
Jonathan Kuminga $22,500,000
Moses Moody $11,574,075
Buddy Hield $9,219,512
Al Horford $5,685,000
Brandin Podziemski $3,687,960
Seth Curry $3,634,153
Gary Payton II $3,303,774
De'Anthony Melton $3,080,921
Gui Santos $2,221,677
Quinten Post $1,955,377
Will Richard $1,272,870
Trayce Jackson-Davis $2,221,677 (team option)

$209,983,120 Total

[statsman]

So let's say his total compensation was $24 million because of the trade kicker. In a trade, does his salary count for $24 million with the trade kicker or just 22.5 million without the trade kicker?

Much like the BYC, it doesn't count for the Warriors but does count for the team getting Kuminga.

Interesting. I have read the Warriors would pay for the trade kicker. I just assumed that amount was added to the Warriors' team salary at the time of a trade.

[statsman]

Team salaries for cap and apron purposes include all salaries, guaranteed and non-guaranteed. The Warrior total salary number is, $205,804,430. This is $2,019,570 below the 2nd Apron. This won't change when TJD and Santos become guaranteed on 1/10/26. There's nothing to be picked up.

I must be off somewhere. Not sure where...

Stephen Curry $59,606,817
Jimmy Butler $54,126,450
Draymond Green $25,892,857
Jonathan Kuminga $22,500,000
Moses Moody $11,574,075
Buddy Hield $9,219,512
Al Horford $5,685,000
Brandin Podziemski $3,687,960
Seth Curry $3,634,153
Gary Payton II $3,303,774
De'Anthony Melton $3,080,921
Gui Santos $2,221,677
Quinten Post $1,955,377
Will Richard $1,272,870
Trayce Jackson-Davis $2,221,677 (team option)

$209,983,120 Total

GP2 and Seth only count as the amount of a 2-yr vet minimum against the aprons and the luxury tax with them on one-year minimum salary deals.

$2,296,274 each (well, less for Seth as his contract will be pro-rated starting some time in November).

One additional note: Moody has an unlikely incentive clause that needs to be counted against the aprons. It's value this season is $462,963.

[HiRez]

One additional note: Moody has an unlikely incentive clause that needs to be counted against the aprons. It's value this season is $462,963.

Oof. That's pretty big when the margins are this tight.

[statsman]

One additional note: Moody has an unlikely incentive clause that needs to be counted against the aprons. It's value this season is $462,963.

Oof. That's pretty big when the margins are this tight.

Yep, If it didn't exist, Seth would be signed for the year right now.

[Old_Blue]

One additional note: Moody has an unlikely incentive clause that needs to be counted against the aprons. It's value this season is $462,963.

Oof. That's pretty big when the margins are this tight.

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[xdrta+]

So let's say his total compensation was $24 million because of the trade kicker. In a trade, does his salary count for $24 million with the trade kicker or just 22.5 million without the trade kicker?

Much like the BYC, it doesn't count for the Warriors but does count for the team getting Kuminga.

Interesting. I have read the Warriors would pay for the trade kicker. I just assumed that amount was added to the Warriors' team salary at the time of a trade.

The Warriors do pay it, but since his salary is dropped from payroll when he's traded, it never goes on their cap sheet. It's all done at the same time.

[statsman]

Much like the BYC, it doesn't count for the Warriors but does count for the team getting Kuminga.

Interesting. I have read the Warriors would pay for the trade kicker. I just assumed that amount was added to the Warriors' team salary at the time of a trade.

The Warriors do pay it, but since his salary is dropped from payroll when he's traded, it never goes on their cap sheet. It's all done at the same time.

Well, I would think someone has to account for it, so I assume the team receiving the player in a trade would have it on their cap sheet?

[xdrta+]

Interesting. I have read the Warriors would pay for the trade kicker. I just assumed that amount was added to the Warriors' team salary at the time of a trade.

The Warriors do pay it, but since his salary is dropped from payroll when he's traded, it never goes on their cap sheet. It's all done at the same time.

Well, I would think someone has to account for it, so I assume the team receiving the player in a trade would have it on their cap sheet?

Absolutely. It becomes part of his salary for the receiving team, both in matching salaries and after.

[statsman]

The Warriors do pay it, but since his salary is dropped from payroll when he's traded, it never goes on their cap sheet. It's all done at the same time.

Well, I would think someone has to account for it, so I assume the team receiving the player in a trade would have it on their cap sheet?

Absolutely. It becomes part of his salary for the receiving team, both in matching salaries and after.

Thank you for the explanation. I never fully understood the mechanics of dealing with the actual trade kicker.