Draymond Green discussion...and "californiadude" blackmail.

[Kuya]

I've thought about this too recently. Barnes AND Green have raised their value. I'd love to keep both, but packaging one of them along with Iggy and/or Lee can bring back an All-Star. I would even trade both Barnes/Green for a chance at a high lottery pick... Jahlil Okafor anyone?

For now though, Barnes and Green are looking like our SF and PF of the future, but still aren't locks to be part of our core moving forward.

[turk3d]

The only guy I'd consider trading right now considering how well we're doing is Lee since we don't know how he's going to affect our team moving forward and what effect he will have on our chemistry. Moving his salary off the books a year early would be a plus for us I believe providing we would be bringing back less salary if we did trade him.

[East Bay Sports]

I would still trade Barnes at the drop of a hat for anything resembling fair value.

[Coxy]

I'd consider trading Green, If you gave me Anthony Davis in return.

No sense in breaking up a team that is 14-2. This could go down as the BEST Warrior team of all time and a thread has been made about moving one of our starting core players??

So glad Myers is in charge.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Part of the reason the Warriors are doing well is that most of these players have been together for 3 years. Part of the reason that the Warriors did poorly in the past was too much player turnover. So there needs to be a compelling reason to trade Draymond.

Looking at Trade checker it looks like this team can be kept together through next year before it has to be changed for salary cap reasons.

If I trade Draymond it is to use him as bait to try to replace either Lee or Iguodala with a better expensive player but I have no idea what upgrade on Lee or Iguodala might be available if we throw in Draymond and maybe a 1st round draft pick. Lee and Iguodala are not bad players but maybe someone better could be had in their price range.

I can't think of any trades that make sense.

[californiadude]

In answer to the uproar about breaking up the team. I don't think we should trade him right now...that would be callossally stupid. But next offseason? I don't think we should trade Draymond just to trade Draymond. And yes obviously this isnt 2k15. But Greene carries a lot of value and he's going to get big time money. I'm not saying we should start wheeling and dealing. There's a lot to be said for if it ain't broke don't fix it, there's also a lot to be said for not resting on your laurels either. Let's that next year NOP wanted to trade jeff Whitney and Ryan Anderson for Green. Wouldn't you rather Anderson at 8 a year than green at 12? You guys have a point that this thread is a little obnoxious...we're on a roll and we should sit back and enjoy the ride not continually tinker with yes I'll admit some crazy hypotheticals. This is a conversation worth having not as a crazy trade thread but as "what to do about Draymond Greene thread"....maybe I should've titled it that? Instead of putting the trade thought so front and center.

[The-Power]

In answer to the uproar about breaking up the team. I don't think we should trade him right now...that would be callossally stupid. But next offseason?

Wait, I thought you want to sell high and think his shot from distance isn't sustainable? If it's not sustainable, you can't sell high at the end of the season - and he'll probably get less money offered by the way. If, on the other hand, he can keep up his production until the end of the season, his shot is obviously sustainable and there's no reason to believe he can't be our stretch-4 for the future.

I don't see in which scenario you want to trade Draymond to be honest.

[kaiballz]

I think if you have the opportunity to win a championship... you try to win that championship. Thats what its all about. The mock trades, the draft threads, the "asset" management... its all towards the goal of winning a championship. Right now, that means keeping Draymond Green.

We have an opportunity. We go for it. Opportunities don't just waltz in every couple years. I'm 37 years old. I wasn't alive the last time the Warriors won the championship. I don't even think we've been a contender since i've been alive. Screw the LT, screw the "getting value" crap, we're rolling and with a legit shot at a title. I could give a f!@#$@% about next years luxury tax when we have a chance THIS year.

this. people don't understand that a ring is EVERYTHING in nba. screw the future. we have a chance now to celebrate like we haven't celebrated since 1975!!!

this year is our time. right now. get behind your team and support their ballsacks like you've never supported before!!!

[Rudruff]

Who is defending opposing 4's if we trade Draymond?

I don't think you can make this just about "fair value" if you are opening up a huge vulnerability on this team. Is some combination of Ryan Anderson and David Lee going to stop Blake Griffin, LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph?

[californiadude]

In answer to the uproar about breaking up the team. I don't think we should trade him right now...that would be callossally stupid. But next offseason?

Wait, I thought you want to sell high and think his shot from distance isn't sustainable? If it's not sustainable, you can't sell high at the end of the season - and he'll probably get less money offered by the way. If, on the other hand, he can keep up his production until the end of the season, his shot is obviously sustainable and there's no reason to believe he can't be our stretch-4 for the future.

I don't see in which scenario you want to trade Draymond to be honest.

Yeah that's good point kind of tied myself up in knots on that one. Here's how I really feel on the matter and yes its unorthodox and probably unrealistic. I would seriously consider seeing if we can package Green plus a first and Lee/Iggy for a big time player at the deadline. With the caveat that if we continue to have a top 2 record in the nba we stay the course. That may seem a little 2k15ish but as mentioned before, it may be smart to capitalize on Green's unsustainable (in my opinion) shooting numbers. I hope i get proven wrong and if teams continue to leave him wide open than I most likely will but if they start really paying attention to him, I doubt he'll continue to shoot at this level.

[Mylie10]

Alvin Gentry just said that Draymond is the glue of the team and finding guys like him in the league is very difficult. Add to that the fact that he's come up with Steph, Klay, Harrison, and Lee and you have that continuity that you are trying to foster, much like the Spurs.

Maybe a future deal of Iguodala happens, and there's always the looming thought that they might try and deal Lee. (Been that way since we got him). But nothing happens in season.....the reason I say Iguodala, is that he may not be satisfied with his role.

Kerr has said that Andre is taking one for the team, he's sacrificing and showing the others that good team mates make sacrifices. He's also said that Andre's not really happy about it. So if anyone might be moved in the off season, I would think it could be him. But even then, I doubt it.

I think this off season is about getting with Draymond and agreeing on a figure. They may trim some guys here or there, but nothing major. I believe they don't let Draymond go. Next season they deal with whether or not to retain Barnes long term. They won't extend him early.

[Mac1958]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Hopefully we can re-sign Green.

And Lee needs to be eased in, I hope he doesn't start, and he has to prove that he won't screw with the chemistry. Unless we can get something of value for him.

[californiadude]

Alvin Gentry just said that Draymond is the glue of the team and finding guys like him in the league is very difficult. Add to that the fact that he's come up with Steph, Klay, Harrison, and Lee and you have that continuity that you are trying to foster, much like the Spurs.

Maybe a future deal of Iguodala happens, and there's always the looming thought that they might try and deal Lee. (Been that way since we got him). But nothing happens in season.....the reason I say Iguodala, is that he may not be satisfied with his role.

Kerr has said that Andre is taking one for the team, he's sacrificing and showing the others that good team mates make sacrifices. He's also said that Andre's not really happy about it. So if anyone might be moved in the off season, I would think it could be him. But even then, I doubt it.

I think this off season is about getting with Draymond and agreeing on a figure. They may trim some guys here or there, but nothing major. I believe they don't let Draymond go. Next season they deal with whether or not to retain Barnes long term. They won't extend him early.

This is the most likely/realistic version of events that I see playing out. Iggy is the most obvious guy if we're going to make a trade. At this point I don't really see the point of salary dumping Lee. I just really hope we don't overpay Green.

[Onus]

Alvin Gentry just said that Draymond is the glue of the team and finding guys like him in the league is very difficult. Add to that the fact that he's come up with Steph, Klay, Harrison, and Lee and you have that continuity that you are trying to foster, much like the Spurs.

Maybe a future deal of Iguodala happens, and there's always the looming thought that they might try and deal Lee. (Been that way since we got him). But nothing happens in season.....the reason I say Iguodala, is that he may not be satisfied with his role.

Kerr has said that Andre is taking one for the team, he's sacrificing and showing the others that good team mates make sacrifices. He's also said that Andre's not really happy about it. So if anyone might be moved in the off season, I would think it could be him. But even then, I doubt it.

I think this off season is about getting with Draymond and agreeing on a figure. They may trim some guys here or there, but nothing major. I believe they don't let Draymond go. Next season they deal with whether or not to retain Barnes long term. They won't extend him early.

This is the most likely/realistic version of events that I see playing out. Iggy is the most obvious guy if we're going to make a trade. At this point I don't really see the point of salary dumping Lee. I just really hope we don't overpay Green.

honestly, i don't see how we can overpay Green. At versatile defender who can guard 1-5 and is an avg 3 point shooter. He's better than Ryan Anderson, Channing Frye, Taj Gibson. Green allows us to switch everything without it being a mismatch on defense.

[turk3d]

Alvin Gentry just said that Draymond is the glue of the team and finding guys like him in the league is very difficult. Add to that the fact that he's come up with Steph, Klay, Harrison, and Lee and you have that continuity that you are trying to foster, much like the Spurs.

Maybe a future deal of Iguodala happens, and there's always the looming thought that they might try and deal Lee. (Been that way since we got him). But nothing happens in season.....the reason I say Iguodala, is that he may not be satisfied with his role.

Kerr has said that Andre is taking one for the team, he's sacrificing and showing the others that good team mates make sacrifices. He's also said that Andre's not really happy about it. So if anyone might be moved in the off season, I would think it could be him. But even then, I doubt it.

I think this off season is about getting with Draymond and agreeing on a figure. They may trim some guys here or there, but nothing major. I believe they don't let Draymond go. Next season they deal with whether or not to retain Barnes long term. They won't extend him early.

+ 1. I'd definitely prefer to wait until the offseason or perhaps at the trade deadline if we were to falter before then. Right now, I wouldn't do a thing and certainly wouldn't trade Dray at this point. Let's just see how things play out with our current roster before doing anything drastic. I guess those two losses we have so far are really bothersome to some people.

Even if we were to trade Lee (which to me would make the most sense with the emergence of Mo who although maybe not great is a better post defender and seems to shoot just as well) I wouldn't do it unless the deal we got was a really good one. edit: as for trading Iggy, I wouldn't even consider trading him until next year, if he's not satsified with his new role. I really like the depth, experience andd insurance he brings us.

[old rem]

Alvin Gentry just said that Draymond is the glue of the team and finding guys like him in the league is very difficult. Add to that the fact that he's come up with Steph, Klay, Harrison, and Lee and you have that continuity that you are trying to foster, much like the Spurs.

Maybe a future deal of Iguodala happens, and there's always the looming thought that they might try and deal Lee. (Been that way since we got him). But nothing happens in season.....the reason I say Iguodala, is that he may not be satisfied with his role.

Kerr has said that Andre is taking one for the team, he's sacrificing and showing the others that good team mates make sacrifices. He's also said that Andre's not really happy about it. So if anyone might be moved in the off season, I would think it could be him. But even then, I doubt it.

I think this off season is about getting with Draymond and agreeing on a figure. They may trim some guys here or there, but nothing major. I believe they don't let Draymond go. Next season they deal with whether or not to retain Barnes long term. They won't extend him early.

Sounds about right. I don't expect Dray gets $12 mill. He fits well here but IS a tweener F who hass variable numbers. Mostly.. a 6-7 PF.. not a big numbers scorer...I think his $ may be in the Zone of Taj Gibson, Ryan Anderson....not much above.

IMHO.... the clock is ticking on trading Iggy for Positive anything. By season's end.. he could bea guy nobody wants to pay... and getting any $ saved.. not an option. Lee... Once healthy...may have market but again.. not gonna go for any $$ saving geal. Teams buying a $15 mill per veteran are good,win now teams. They seldom have cap $ to give. I suspect Myers, Lacob etc have crunched numbers and have a good idea of how the $ work. I assume the idea is that if we can be ELITE.. we PAY up to the limit. Barnes contract ain't due till Lee expires.

A CLUE here is the $ given Livingston. GSW was not cutting corners. They seem to have a long term plan. That Green + Mo Speights are doing well... perhaps was not expected, but I think it will work.

The POV now is that GSW can go far. They see how stability,chemistry, are paying off.

[oaktownwarriors87]

We have a big market and a great team. Whether it's David Lee or Draymond Green, if we win a championship we should be in a position to ask players to take pay cuts. We are also in a position that we could pay the luxury tax for a single season.

No need to trade someone because they are due a bug contract. Only do it if it improves the team.

[The-Power]

I hope i get proven wrong and if teams continue to leave him wide open than I most likely will but if they start really paying attention to him, I doubt he'll continue to shoot at this level.

If opponents pay attention to him, we actually won. Because that means they can't double Curry in PnR's or another man is wide open, i.e. Klay or Barnes for example. Would anyone stop doubling Curry for the sake of contesting Green's three? I doubt it.

Defenses simply can't focus on Draymond on the perimeter as long as he plays with the starters, especially with a guy named Steph Curry. If they'll do it regardless, he just needs to make the extra pass - which he's good at as we know - and we get an even better shot. He has to be able to make open threes, we really don't need him to be good on contested jumpers at all.

[turk3d]

If they pay attention to him, we actually won. Because that means they can't double Curry in PnR's or another man is wide open, i.e. Klay or Barnes for example.

Defenses can't focus on Draymond on the perimeter as long as he plays with the starters, especially with a guy named Steph Curry. He has to be able to make open threes, we really don't need him to be good on contested jumpers at all. He won't be contested and even if so, he just needs to make the extra pass - which he's good at as we know - and we get an even better shot.

At this point, I really don't expect too much of a dropoff. There's a reason his shots falling so readily. Notice that both Steph and Klay have been having some off days shooting threes. There's a price to be paid for teams who focus on shutting them down. That's Dray, Barnes, Iggy and Speights getting wide open shots. All they have to do is keep on making them. If teams start to focus more on them, then expect Steph and Klay to start knocking them down more frequently.

[WESCO]

I'm with onus.

There is literally no stretch 4 that's is available to us that can replace what what Dray can do on D. Allow us to switch every screen.

On offense he knows his role is high post passer. Screen and 3 and crash the boards. The chemistry right now is insane on both sides of the ball.

With that being said the only person, if for some stupid reason we make a trade, would be lee. Who we don't know how he will affect chemistry.

Even iggy (who may be unhappy yadada) is extremely important for our defense. At the end of the day he is still our best perimeter defender and for me it's by a landslide.

Now HB, who I admitt has been playing great but im still not sold on, has many players that we can upgrade/ replace with. But unless it's an absolute upgrade. No way I would package him to go either.