The Falcon King - The Harrison Barnes Thread Part II

[Phase 3]

If Durant isn't coming, IMO you gotta bring Barnes back. Is he perfect? No. But he's a key element to the small ball death squad lineup that has been carrying the Warriors these last 2 postseasons. If you must trim some fat, start with the center position.

i read a couple articles in the past week that said "inside sources" (yeah I know) say if the Warriors feel Durants won't happen they will match any offer for him because they want to keep this together and other options would be a downgrade. Except Jared Dudley, pj tucker and pj tucker of course. Marvin Williams is the only guy I think that's obtainable that would be adequate. They can technically resign everyone on the roster, they'll just have to pay big bucks in luxury tax.

I'd rather have a 24 year old Barnes than Marvin Williams any day.

[Suka Bongcic]

If Durant isn't coming, IMO you gotta bring Barnes back. Is he perfect? No. But he's a key element to the small ball death squad lineup that has been carrying the Warriors these last 2 postseasons. If you must trim some fat, start with the center position.

i read a couple articles in the past week that said "inside sources" (yeah I know) say if the Warriors feel Durants won't happen they will match any offer for him because they want to keep this together and other options would be a downgrade. Except Jared Dudley, pj tucker and pj tucker of course. Marvin Williams is the only guy I think that's obtainable that would be adequate. They can technically resign everyone on the roster, they'll just have to pay big bucks in luxury tax.

I'd rather have a 24 year old Barnes than Marvin Williams any day.

I obviously agree, but Barnes may get 20mill or so while Williams might be had for 11 or so. I don't think Dudley is in Barnes' realm while Tucker just doesn't have the height we're looking for and is 31. Williams has the size, length and 3 ball ability.

[Phase 3]

i read a couple articles in the past week that said "inside sources" (yeah I know) say if the Warriors feel Durants won't happen they will match any offer for him because they want to keep this together and other options would be a downgrade. Except Jared Dudley, pj tucker and pj tucker of course. Marvin Williams is the only guy I think that's obtainable that would be adequate. They can technically resign everyone on the roster, they'll just have to pay big bucks in luxury tax.

I'd rather have a 24 year old Barnes than Marvin Williams any day.

I obviously agree, but Barnes may get 20mill or so while Williams might be had for 11 or so. I don't think Dudley is in Barnes' realm while Tucker just doesn't have the height we're looking for and is 31. Williams has the size, length and 3 ball ability.

I just don't like losing Barnes without getting Durant. The Warriors have a PROVEN small ball lineup that has showed it can win a title(and maybe two if the Warriors get one more win). I don't break that up for a roll of the dice or to save a few million a year. There is plenty of money that can be cleared elsewhere if necessary...and I'd start with the centers who are barely even playable in the NBA Finals.

[Impuniti]

Warriors are not paying Barnes 20m and would be stupid to do so. That's awful management.

[Phase 3]

Warriors are not paying Barnes 20m and would be stupid to do so. That's awful management.

We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work something out with him if they can't get Durant...especially IF they are coming off two titles.

[wco81]

Coming off two titles, probably higher ticket prices next season and then the big push for the new arena, where prices will be even higher and people are going to be bent over for PSLs.

Also it sounds like ticket prices are higher at Oracle than at Quicken Loans Arena, which is probably newer and nicer venue.

[Impuniti]

Warriors are not paying Barnes 20m and would be stupid to do so. That's awful management.

We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work something out with him if they can't get Durant...especially IF they are coming off two titles.

He was a total non factor until the final, it literally makes 0 sense to make this move because he isn't anywhere that good. He has had many awful and mediocre games followed with a few good ones. His only great games in 21 games so far have been the last two. 2/21 games where he's been fantastic.

I want Barnes on the team, but paying him anywhere over 12m is crazy, and 20m is laughable. Green and Klay would be furious if that happened, that a player half as good as they are is making several millions more. And anyone who believes they wouldn't care will range from incredibly naive to delusional. The 16m/year is a insulting offer considering his performances both in regular season and play offs. I'm going to be pissed if the Warriors oblige and bend over for a player that is nowhere near the top in this league. I don't think management is a prisoner of the moment when they make these decisions like some of the fans are at this point.

[Warriorfan]

Barnes as a young free agent should get all he can because he has sacraficed for team success. Hope a Sign and Trade can be worked out with Charlotte like Marvin Williams and AL Jeff for Barnes.

[wco81]

With the inflated cap, if they don't get KD and renounce Barnes, how much would they have to replace his spot?

And what kind of player would they get for that money?

Is that player going to make the team as competitive for another title run, which could be an attempt at a three-peat?

[likashing]

Sign and trade HB for Love

[Suka Bongcic]

Warriors are not paying Barnes 20m and would be stupid to do so. That's awful management.

We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work something out with him if they can't get Durant...especially IF they are coming off two titles.

He was a total non factor until the final, it literally makes 0 sense to make this move because he isn't anywhere that good. He has had many awful and mediocre games followed with a few good ones. His only great games in 21 games so far have been the last two. 2/21 games where he's been fantastic.

I want Barnes on the team, but paying him anywhere over 12m is crazy, and 20m is laughable. Green and Klay would be furious if that happened, that a player half as good as they are is making several millions more. And anyone who believes they wouldn't care will range from incredibly naive to delusional. The 16m/year is a insulting offer considering his performances both in regular season and play offs. I'm going to be pissed if the Warriors oblige and bend over for a player that is nowhere near the top in this league. I don't think management is a prisoner of the moment when they make these decisions like some of the fans are at this point.

12 mill is crazy? You're not looking at the entire puzzle. We'd be taking a big risk losing if, especially if we can't get Durant. We KNOW he fits this team. We KNOW he can deliver when it counts. We KNOW he can defend almost any position adequately and sometimes at a very high level. We don't know how anyone else, even Durant for that matter, will fit in to what we have.
If you think paying him 12 mill a year is crazy, I'm really happy that you're not running this team. Ask Jerry West what he thinks. We'll see in a few weeks

[statsman]

I want Barnes on the team, but paying him anywhere over 12m is crazy, and 20m is laughable ..

He's entitled to an estimated 4/92 RFA max this offseason (4/96 or 5/124 with the Warriors under his Bird rights). A 4/48 contract is too low for him. If the 4/64 offer this past offseason were true, that's a solid offer. But with the coming cap spike, he should be able to get 4/80 (or higher) if he wants.

[Impuniti]

We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to work something out with him if they can't get Durant...especially IF they are coming off two titles.

He was a total non factor until the final, it literally makes 0 sense to make this move because he isn't anywhere that good. He has had many awful and mediocre games followed with a few good ones. His only great games in 21 games so far have been the last two. 2/21 games where he's been fantastic.

I want Barnes on the team, but paying him anywhere over 12m is crazy, and 20m is laughable. Green and Klay would be furious if that happened, that a player half as good as they are is making several millions more. And anyone who believes they wouldn't care will range from incredibly naive to delusional. The 16m/year is a insulting offer considering his performances both in regular season and play offs. I'm going to be pissed if the Warriors oblige and bend over for a player that is nowhere near the top in this league. I don't think management is a prisoner of the moment when they make these decisions like some of the fans are at this point.

12 mill is crazy? You're not looking at the entire puzzle. We'd be taking a big risk losing if, especially if we can't get Durant. We KNOW he fits this team. We KNOW he can deliver when it counts. We KNOW he can defend almost any position adequately and sometimes at a very high level. We don't know how anyone else, even Durant for that matter, will fit in to what we have.
If you think paying him 12 mill a year is crazy, I'm really happy that you're not running this team. Ask Jerry West what he thinks. We'll see in a few weeks

Barnes is not really that good of a player Black Falcon, we disagree on his value. I want to keep the team together but no reason to bend over for someone who isn't all that good. I don't understand how someone who has 2 great games in 21 games in the post season (less than 10%) are asking for him to get so much money in this team. But if Warrior fans have the what have you done for me (the last 2 games) lately, then I expect him to definitely get the max this summer.

[marthafokker]

Sign and trade HB for Love

I don't mind. Let Love come off the bench to be scoring option 1. Something Barnes did not cash in to justify the big contract he wanted.

Love would be cheaper than both Ezeli and Barnes... which Love would replace.

Having Iggy and Green next to Love is not that bad. Lee being a much better rebounder than Barnes helps too.

[Phase 3]

Remember when Klay signed his $70M deal and everyone was shocked at the price? It's gonna be even worse this offseason and next...and frankly, I don't think there are going to be many "bargains" on the market like people seem to think. It's the reality of the new salary cap. It's going to take big money to sign any player worth a damn.

[wco81]

Love is a $19 million a year player.

How would they fit him under the cap?

[marthafokker]

Remember when Klay signed his $70M deal and everyone was shocked at the price? It's gonna be even worse this offseason and next...and frankly, I don't think there are going to be many "bargains" on the market like people seem to think. It's the reality of the new salary cap. It's going to take big money to sign any player worth a damn.

At least Kay scores 20+ pts a game, with improvement seen every year. What has Barnes really improve on a yearly basis?

[BW32]

With the inflated cap, if they don't get KD and renounce Barnes, how much would they have to replace his spot?

And what kind of player would they get for that money?

Is that player going to make the team as competitive for another title run, which could be an attempt at a three-peat?

If you just renounce Barnes and the smaller FA's like Mo and Rush you have like 12 mil give or take depending on where the cap lands exactly and if we draft 30 or move down to the 2nd round or any type of scenario like that.

Bottom line if we just renounce Barnes we probably can't even afford a Marvin Williams type, if you let Barnes go Rush is about the best we could afford.

[marthafokker]

If Dubs do not resign anyone, I believe it is 17 mil in cap.

One reason to sign one decent player and go ring chaser route. Wait until 2017 to Bogut and Iggy can sign for cheaper.

[statsman]

If Dubs do not resign anyone, I believe it is 17 mil in cap.

One reason to sign one decent player and go ring chaser route. Wait until 2017 to Bogut and Iggy can sign for cheaper.

Close.

With minimum salary cap holds, around $15M, counting the starters, Iguodala, Livingston, Looney, and 2016 1st round pick.

Renounce Barnes, Ezeli, Speights, Barbosa, Rush, McAdoo, and Clark. The latter 3 could be retained for a slight (~$0.5M) additional cap hit for each player not renounced.

Forfeit Lee TPE ($5.4M - expires 7/27) and Wallace TPE ($3.2M - expires 7/31).

Swap out full MLE ($5.6M) for Room MLE ($2.9M) for 2016-17.

Lose out on BAE ($2.2M) for 2016-17.