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Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#41 » by Outside » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:06 am

jaymo123 wrote:Can anybody tell me why Kerr doesn't start the 4th with Steph or KD? The 4th always starts slow for the Dubs when both are sitting on the bench.


He tried alternating them for a while but much prefers the chemistry of them together, so that means that there are times when both are on the bench. It's up to the reserves plus Klay to hold the fort (and Cousins, but he didn't play last night). KD and Steph come in around the 7 minute mark, so we're talking five minutes.

In the Portland game, those five minutes didn't go well -- no Boogie, Klay on a bad shooting night. It happens. It's not the end of the world. Kerr is taking the long view and doesn't want to control the minutes for the core guys. Come playoff time, rotations will shorten, and so will the no-Steph-no-Durant minutes. Plus, the non-Steph and KD units will have (hopefully) a base of success to rely on so that they're not absolutely Steph/KD reliant. We don't want them to turn into the Rockets, where it's always Harden or Paul on the floor at all times and they're lost without that.

I like the version of KD with Steph on the floor much better than the version without Steph. Without Steph, the offense reverts too easily into clear-out KD iso mode, while with Steph, there's more flow to KD's game. It didn't look very good last night, but overall, I'm fine with Kerr's current rotation pattern.
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#42 » by cpower » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:41 pm

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cpower wrote:we are collecting players that are not NBA players. Lee, Cook, Bell..these players are not contributing to this game in any ways

More chicken little stuff. I think you're losing perspective on what end of the bench guys look like. Let's see...
5 All Stars
Iguodala
Livingston
Looney
McKinney
Jerebko
Cook
Bell
Lee
Evans

Something like that? So we're talking about like #11, #12, and #13 guys? Let's say I'm generous and we call Cook a #9. Is the case that we should replace them with real NBA players like Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, and Anfernee Simons? Something like that? Because that's roughly what 9/12/13 probably looks like for Portland. And that is what's going to push us over the top? (I'll also note that Evan Turner is making $18m this year while Cook is making $1.5m. Do we want to start dumping all stars so we have the room to upgrade Cook to Turner?)

I am just comparing the #10-#15 guys during the stretch and I found that our deep bench guys are the worst compared to their respective peers on other good teams. It will probably mean less in playoffs but looks like other teams are doing a better job at picking deep bench guys.

10-15 avg BPM
Warriors -3.92
Raptors -1.6
Bucks -1.26
76ers -0.48
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#43 » by Outside » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:00 pm

cpower wrote:
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cpower wrote:we are collecting players that are not NBA players. Lee, Cook, Bell..these players are not contributing to this game in any ways

More chicken little stuff. I think you're losing perspective on what end of the bench guys look like. Let's see...
5 All Stars
Iguodala
Livingston
Looney
McKinney
Jerebko
Cook
Bell
Lee
Evans

Something like that? So we're talking about like #11, #12, and #13 guys? Let's say I'm generous and we call Cook a #9. Is the case that we should replace them with real NBA players like Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, and Anfernee Simons? Something like that? Because that's roughly what 9/12/13 probably looks like for Portland. And that is what's going to push us over the top? (I'll also note that Evan Turner is making $18m this year while Cook is making $1.5m. Do we want to start dumping all stars so we have the room to upgrade Cook to Turner?)

I am just comparing the #10-#15 guys during the stretch and I found that our deep bench guys are the worst compared to their respective peers on other good teams. It will probably mean less in playoffs but looks like other teams are doing a better job at picking deep bench guys.

10-15 avg BPM
Warriors -3.92
Raptors -1.6
Bucks -1.26
76ers -0.48


The deep bench isn't a concern. Even in 2015, the golden days of Strength in Numbers, they only went 11 deep in the playoffs, with the 11th guy, Speights, getting only 67 minutes. I'm not counting Holiday, McAdoo, and Rush, who totaled fewer than 30 minutes combined.

Last year, they essentially went 12 deep in the playoffs, and this year, they can do the same. Nine of the guys are the same as last year:

Steph
KD
Klay
Draymond
Iguodala
Looney
Livingston
Cook
Bell

The other three last year were Nick Young, Javale McGee, and David West. The other three this year are Cousins, McKinnie, and Jerebko. I'll take this year's three over last year's.

They're fine. Health is the concern, not the end of the bench.
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#44 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:05 pm

cpower wrote:
Chris Porter's Hair wrote:
cpower wrote:we are collecting players that are not NBA players. Lee, Cook, Bell..these players are not contributing to this game in any ways

More chicken little stuff. I think you're losing perspective on what end of the bench guys look like. Let's see...
5 All Stars
Iguodala
Livingston
Looney
McKinney
Jerebko
Cook
Bell
Lee
Evans

Something like that? So we're talking about like #11, #12, and #13 guys? Let's say I'm generous and we call Cook a #9. Is the case that we should replace them with real NBA players like Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, and Anfernee Simons? Something like that? Because that's roughly what 9/12/13 probably looks like for Portland. And that is what's going to push us over the top? (I'll also note that Evan Turner is making $18m this year while Cook is making $1.5m. Do we want to start dumping all stars so we have the room to upgrade Cook to Turner?)

I am just comparing the #10-#15 guys during the stretch and I found that our deep bench guys are the worst compared to their respective peers on other good teams. It will probably mean less in playoffs but looks like other teams are doing a better job at picking deep bench guys.

10-15 avg BPM
Warriors -3.92
Raptors -1.6
Bucks -1.26
76ers -0.48

Of course they are. We made the choice to staff the top of our depth chart with all stars deserving close to the max. That gives you very limited options for how to round out the end of your bench. They may be picking better end of the bench guys, but it isn't a fair contest. And if the tradeoff is to not collect half the all stars in the league so we have more flexibility in rounding out the bench, I'd stick with our current approach.

And as you said, in the playoffs you aren't likely to win or lose because their #12 guy sucks, but ours really sucks. It won't matter.
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#45 » by cpower » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:09 pm

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cpower wrote:
Chris Porter's Hair wrote:More chicken little stuff. I think you're losing perspective on what end of the bench guys look like. Let's see...
5 All Stars
Iguodala
Livingston
Looney
McKinney
Jerebko
Cook
Bell
Lee
Evans

Something like that? So we're talking about like #11, #12, and #13 guys? Let's say I'm generous and we call Cook a #9. Is the case that we should replace them with real NBA players like Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, and Anfernee Simons? Something like that? Because that's roughly what 9/12/13 probably looks like for Portland. And that is what's going to push us over the top? (I'll also note that Evan Turner is making $18m this year while Cook is making $1.5m. Do we want to start dumping all stars so we have the room to upgrade Cook to Turner?)

I am just comparing the #10-#15 guys during the stretch and I found that our deep bench guys are the worst compared to their respective peers on other good teams. It will probably mean less in playoffs but looks like other teams are doing a better job at picking deep bench guys.

10-15 avg BPM
Warriors -3.92
Raptors -1.6
Bucks -1.26
76ers -0.48

Of course they are. We made the choice to staff the top of our depth chart with all stars deserving close to the max. That gives you very limited options for how to round out the end of your bench. They may be picking better end of the bench guys, but it isn't a fair contest. And if the tradeoff is to not collect half the all stars in the league so we have more flexibility in rounding out the bench, I'd stick with our current approach.

And as you said, in the playoffs you aren't likely to win or lose because their #12 guy sucks, but ours really sucks. It won't matter.

ok boss i am sorry for picking chicken little again. Have a nice day sir.
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#46 » by KevinMcreynolds » Thu Feb 21, 2019 3:44 pm

I don't want to see Bell or Cook anywhere near the court in the playoffs. If we have any injuries they'll have to play though.

Starting 5
Dre
Shaun
Looney
McKinnie
Jonas

The Swede should be the end of the bench. I really wish Lopez would get bought out, having Looney and Jonas as our only backup bigs is a problem.
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Re: Game 57: Golden State Warriors (41-15) @ Portland Trail Blazers (33-23) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#47 » by Mylie10 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:47 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:I don't want to see Bell or Cook anywhere near the court in the playoffs. If we have any injuries they'll have to play though.

Starting 5
Dre
Shaun
Looney
McKinnie
Jonas

The Swede should be the end of the bench. I really wish Lopez would get bought out, having Looney and Jonas as our only backup bigs is a problem.


The problem I see with the Lopez buy out is that he doesn't want to give up much or any money. I get that.

It does makee rethink that he'd be willing to take a vet min next season though. He wants to get paid.
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