3 "minor" trade back scenarios I like

[Mylie10]

I certainly wouldn't say it makes sense to be certain Wiseman will be "great" ... that's a heck of a mountain to climb. I do think he has the best potential for the Warriors.

Barring injury of course, I’m certain. You don’t need to be.

Okay, I'll try to remember this so if he isn't "great" I can throw it in your face every time you make another proclamation

Absolutely, I would expect nothing less lol.

I admit my mistakes.

[lars_rosenberg]

My only concern: Am I overestimating the value of this #2 pick?

I think you are. Why would NY or Charlotte or Atlanta give up young foundational pieces like Robinson, Graham, or Collins only to draft another guy they need to develop—who is more unproven than the guys they already have, who have already cleared the bar of showing they can at least play in the NBA?

FWIW, I don't think Charlotte veiw Graham as a foundational piece. If it came down to it, and they wanted to build around Ball, they would move Graham to the bench and not think twice.

I love the idea of coming to an agreement with Charlotte, where we select Ball and they select Wiseman, we trade them and Charlotte add in an insentive to fascilitate. We would save some salary on Wiseman's deal being the 3 pick instead of the 2, and we could add a rotation player or future pick.

Why would Charlotte do this? They end up paying their player more salary and add an asset to get what they would get anyway by staying put.
On the other hand, if GSW has a serious suitor for the #2 that is willing to give up a valuable player (for example NYK giving us Mitchell Robinson) then Bob is not changing his mind for the Charlotte offer.

[Warriorfan]

Warriors have not invested a lot in the C position because the closing /death line up one is Green.

So I think they need wings and a big back up PG to be the new Iggy and Livingston. Lebron Leonard , George, and Luka are wings to deal with.

Okoru Vasell and Advija and even Nesmeth are players who maybe around the 8th pick
27th and maybe a pick swap

[superunknown]

based on what mitchell robinson would be a better addition than wiseman?
short-term and long-term?
he's still a project, he's got great physical tools and niche skillset (blocks, offensive rebounds, ability to finish around the rim) but his game has pretty obvious weaknesses. he is a seven footer with no perimeter game (majority of his buckets come within three feet of the basket, which is the main reason of his great field goal percentage) who lacks the lateral quickness necessary to switch on smaller players. To be a key contributor on a championship caliber team, this has to change.

[ShayDee]

Warriors have not invested a lot in the C position because the closing /death line up one is Green.

So I think they need wings and a big back up PG to be the new Iggy and Livingston. Lebron Leonard , George, and Luka are wings to deal with.

Okoru Vasell and Advija and even Nesmeth are players who maybe around the 8th pick
27th and maybe a pick swap

Only Nesmith and maybe Vassell would be at 8. If the deal you meant was 8 + 27 + swap rights to 2021 knicks pick with the Minny pick then fine. Also death line up worked because we had good help defenders in KD and Iggy. And I don't want them to draft anyone that doesn't know how to shoot or isn't consistent at the 3point line.

Okoro and Vassell are not guarding those guys in their rookie year. So if they end up scoring anyways how are we going to score against their defense if they protect the rim and guard both Curry and Klay? We need more consistency at 3, it will keep us in the game if we don't end up defending the other teams. 3>2

The point of this post though is don't draft Okoro or anyone they will give Draymond treatment. If a team next year, like the rockets/Mavs/Lakers/Clippers etc do not have to worry about guarding 2 players on the floor, it will make it very hard for our star players.

For example lol, Yesterday against the rockets, The almighty rookie defender Dort is the so called Harden stopper. Harden finished with 31 points going 11-15, 4-8 from 3. Ok, he couldn't stop him, so how do they get back in the game when the defense doesn't work? Maybe hitting 3s is the fastest and best way? OKC went 7-46 from 3 and Dort went 3-16 with 0-9 from 3. Now you could say coaching was bad and we might be a better team but if we don't get more consistent shooters with decent defending, This will for sure happen to us. Same thing last finals, when they boxed and 1 Curry. Also Dort was 30% from 3 and 70% from FT in college

[Scoots1994]

Okoro has some promise as a shooter, and he could be functional at it as a rookie. You are right that rookie's generally struggle on defense, in part because the refs are so hard on rookies on defense.

[ShayDee]

Okoro has some promise as a shooter, and he could be functional at it as a rookie. You are right that rookie's generally struggle on defense, in part because the refs are so hard on rookies on defense.

Part of shooting is also confidence. Poole has that but he is bad at movement shooting. Okoro doesn't have confidence just like Draymond most times. There were times the other team left him open and he either didn't take it or hesitated. Don't want 2 Draymonds on the team

[Scoots1994]

Okoro has some promise as a shooter, and he could be functional at it as a rookie. You are right that rookie's generally struggle on defense, in part because the refs are so hard on rookies on defense.

Part of shooting is also confidence. Poole has that but he is bad at movement shooting. Okoro doesn't have confidence just like Draymond most times. There were times the other team left him open and he either didn't take it or hesitated. Don't want 2 Draymonds on the team

Draymond scoring game has always been weak, in part because of his limited athleticism. Okoro should be better, you are right about confidence being critical, my point was more that Okoro could and should be much better in scoring than Dray has ever been. No doubt Okoro is not ideal.

[ShayDee]

Every single player on Celtics hit a 3, apart from their Cs. That's the kind of offense we should be building, we need more certainty from 3. It's the way the league is now. We could get away with it before because we had 3 elite 3 point shooters. Now that KD is gone, every single draft pick has to be able to hit an open shot with confidence, unless it's a generational Center with good shooting touch(Wiseman)

[jason bourne]

Atlanta fan: not interested in any trading any of our core pieces for anyone in this draft

I want Cam Reddish..I’ll make you a deal you can’t refuse .

Bada Bing Bada Bam

It seems like ATL has the pieces that the Ws want most -- Cam Reddish and John Collins. The Knicks only have MRob and future picks. Both can be dealt for later, so the Ws should get the BPA at #2 which I think is LaMelo or Anthony Edwards, preferably Edwards. However, I think Deni Avdija has risen to make a case for the Ws pick. See below.

James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.

AntMan has his Georgia record and LaMelo his pro and HS record. Edwards should be able to step in right away as backup SG or even PG with his college experience and body. He may be able to play some SF if he's strong enough. I think he'll develop into the third Splash Bros. Already, he has the quickest first step in college ball and looks like another James Harden with his drives to the hoop and step back 3. If the Ws can only work him out before the draft (?).

The same with LaMelo. He's not a great fit with the Warriors because he wants and needs the ball in his hands coming up court. He has shown he can hit the 3-ball in HS, but has not hit for a nice 3-pt average in the pros. He's a tall PG like Shaun Livingston (albeit not as tall as Shaun), can really pass the ball, and is used to running a team already. I'm going out on a limb, but he may be the most qualified as being a starter in the NBA rn.

The other intriguing prospect whom I think can step in as backup right away is Deni Avdija. He's become the top Euro prospect and has played enough after the restart to show he can make it in the NBA. He's another who can be a backup SF, PF, or even SG. He can be the stretch 4 and would be the most qualified wing and PF prospect. He has quickly shot up into the top 5 because he's improved his shooting, playmaking, and has racked up more playing time. Avdija could easily be the #2 pick for teams looking for a wing and stretch 4. I mean which team isn't looking for one? I have no qualms about picking Deni #2 or even at #1 with the restart and his pro experience. Can he be another Shaun Livingston at PG? Possibly, but he hasn't played enough there, but he's very nice in transition. A perfect fit for the Warriors.

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That's why the Ws should pick LaMelo, Edwards, or Avdija at #2. No question, the Warriors and their fans have their work cut for them unless they have bought into the James Wiseman hype .

[Scoots1994]

Every single player on Celtics hit a 3, apart from their Cs. That's the kind of offense we should be building, we need more certainty from 3. It's the way the league is now. We could get away with it before because we had 3 elite 3 point shooters. Now that KD is gone, every single draft pick has to be able to hit an open shot with confidence, unless it's a generational Center with good shooting touch(Wiseman)

You project Wiseman to be "a generational Center with good shooting touch"? That's possible, but I certainly am not comfortable projecting that. I think the odds are he ends up being a slightly above average NBA C.

[Little Digger]

Slightly above average starting center or just a slightly above average center?

[marthafokker]

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James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.
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Wiseman was stupid for quiting? Where is he going to get $10k in order to come back to Memphis after suspension? His family didn't even have money to move to school, which Penny paid for his moving expenses. NCAA required him to pay back $10k with own money. Cannot use goFundMe either. It was talked about in an ESPN interview with him.

[marthafokker]

Every single player on Celtics hit a 3, apart from their Cs. That's the kind of offense we should be building, we need more certainty from 3. It's the way the league is now. We could get away with it before because we had 3 elite 3 point shooters. Now that KD is gone, every single draft pick has to be able to hit an open shot with confidence, unless it's a generational Center with good shooting touch(Wiseman)

You project Wiseman to be "a generational Center with good shooting touch"? That's possible, but I certainly am not comfortable projecting that. I think the odds are he ends up being a slightly above average NBA C.

I take DeAndre Jordan with a jumper and can shoot FTs.

[Mylie10]

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James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.
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Wiseman was stupid for quiting? Where is he going to get $10k in order to come back to Memphis after suspension? His family didn't even have money to move to school, which Penny paid for his moving expenses. NCAA required him to pay back $10k with own money. Cannot use goFundMe either. It was talked about in an ESPN interview with him.

Be careful, Bourne is dense.

[Little Digger]

Boban Marjanović..I love the guy..I don’t care if we overpay , underpay or even if he doesn’t help much..I just want to him on the roster cause he’s such a great personality..

[GQ Hot Dog]

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James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.
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Wiseman was stupid for quiting? Where is he going to get $10k in order to come back to Memphis after suspension? His family didn't even have money to move to school, which Penny paid for his moving expenses. NCAA required him to pay back $10k with own money. Cannot use goFundMe either. It was talked about in an ESPN interview with him.

He could have gotten the money, borrowed it from a bank or some other lending institution at usurious rates.

However, since his draft stock wasn't going to get any higher, he was already thought to be the #1 overall pick, there's no benefit to going back to school. But just because not going back was probably his best option, it doesn't mean I like it as a team wondering if we should draft him and could very well cause him to fall in the draft and lose a lot more money than the cost of paying the money back.

There's also the angle that maybe his camp decided it would be better to keep him out rather than risk exposing his weaknesses. If everyone agreed that he was on his way to dominating college basketball I'm sure the money would have been found.

[Little Digger]

There’s me and I’m sure most NBA GM’s who wonder “does Wiseman love to compete?”

I know Mobley does..

[ShayDee]

There’s me and I’m sure most NBA GM’s who wonder “does Wiseman love to compete?”

I know Mobley does..

How are their offensive games compared to each other? It seems Wiseman is further down the development in that end. It shows he is a hard worker and I love me some of those on this team. Mobley just seemed to play with more fire but I think Wiseman is more talented. He just has to develop that alpha mentality

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[Little Digger]

You have the desire or you dont..with 7 footers they get a little more leeway than 6’3 guys ..they can be less competitive and still make some kind of impact