Bazemore Doesn't Want to Have COVID Vaccine

[shazam_guy]

Saying "vaccines are good and necessary" may be virtue signaling by some people's measure, but comparing pro-vaccine folks here to Fox News is pretty hilarious considering how hard Fox's on-air "personalities" and their political allies have been undercutting vaccinations and masks to cater to their low-information, anti-government, mostly-senile followers since the pandemic started.

[wco81]

Baze tweeted that he's not positive at all.

Still, the timing is horrible, not just because of the Warriors' playoff push but to have this happen after going most of the season without getting into protocol, they slip at the end?

[Old_Blue]

Prior generations were asked to make real sacrifice for their country...to enlist, go off to war and likely die. All this generation was asked to do was wear a freaking mask and get an effing vaccination and they couldn't even handle that. I'll never be embarrassed by my country. But, I'm certainly embarrassed by a multitude of my fellow citizens.

[clyde21]

oh no!!!

[GQ Hot Dog]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

[xdrta+]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

That's way off base. Not only was it well tested before being given emergency approvals, but 200 million people have tested it since, with virtually no negative effects.

[Old_Blue]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

That's way off base. Not only was it well tested before being given emergency approvals, but 200 million people have tested it since, with virtually no negative effects.

Agreed. We are at war with this virus. Winning this war will require 70-90% of people to get over themselves, think about their families, their friends, humanity itself and get vaccinated. This is how we beat smallpox. This is how we beat polio. This is how it's done. So far, almost my entire family and extended family have been vaccinated with either Pfizer or Moderna with zero serious side effects. On the flip side, my family and I have lost several friends and acquaintances to Covid. One of these people died of Covid-related blood clotting last October. This guy was 49 and previously healthy as a horse. He was also a full on MAGA sabelotodo who treated mask wearing as a political issue. That mindset cost him his life.

[michaelm]

I don't believe the vaccine stops spread. It just prevents COVID from hurting you.

It basically means you can hang with other vax people or small groups freely. But in your example, even if you were vaccinated you could spread it to the at risk folks.

EDIT: Just checked and that is accurate. But it's worth noting that we don't know what we don't know. E.g. it COULD stop asymptomatic carriers, but we simply don't have the data.

We have data from Israel, 94% reduction in asymptomatic infections:

Pfizer said its Covid-19 vaccine blocked 94% of asymptomatic infections in an Israeli study — a result CEO Albert Bourla called “extremely important.”

The study also found the vaccine was at least 97% effective against symptomatic Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths, the company said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/pfizer-covid-vaccine-blocks-94percent-of-asymptomatic-infections-and-97percent-of-symptomatic-cases-in-israeli-study.html

Exactly. And they are I believe using the Pfizer vaccine, with which there are virtually zero reported side effects.

[michaelm]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

What side effects are they worried about from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which have basically close to zero problems afaik. The concern about the mRNA technology would require a simultaneous infection with a virus containing reverse transcriptase to even be a theoretical worry.

[michaelm]

There's no need for people that young to be vaccinated over something that they have 99% chance of beating. People that are at risk and older should decide whether the vaccine is best for them.

Yes, but they are a risk to others if they get it, particularly given people are infectious when pre-symptomatic, which is the whole point.

[WarriorGM]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

What side effects are they worried about from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which have basically close to zero problems afaik. The concern about the mRNA technology would require a simultaneous infection with a virus containing reverse transcriptase to even be a theoretical worry.

From what I recall from one article more yellow cards were issued in the UK for the Pfizer vaccine and possible blood clots than there were for the AstraZeneca vaccine but it was the AstraZeneca vaccine that received the mountain of attention. There have been lots of inconsistencies throughout this Covid-19 pandemic: no need to wear masks, later changed to you need to wear masks; remdesivir is a promising drug, later remdesivir not effective; etc.

It's one thing to require people to wear masks; it's another to require them to inject experimental substances into their bodies. I understand why some people are annoyed at the hesitancy but they need to seriously ask themselves also where they'd draw the line. If implanted microchips in the future are proven to reduce crime and improve health for instance are the same people now pushing for everyone to take the vaccine also going to demand people get chip implants?

[michaelm]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

What side effects are they worried about from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, which have basically close to zero problems afaik. The concern about the mRNA technology would require a simultaneous infection with a virus containing reverse transcriptase to even be a theoretical worry.

From what I recall from one article more yellow cards were issued in the UK for the Pfizer vaccine and possible blood clots than there were for the AstraZeneca vaccine but it was the AstraZeneca vaccine that received the mountain of attention. There have been lots of inconsistencies throughout this Covid-19 pandemic: no need to wear masks, later changed to you need to wear masks; remdesivir is a promising drug, later remdesivir not effective; etc.

It's one thing to require people to wear masks; it's another to require them to inject experimental substances into their bodies. I understand why some people are annoyed at the hesitancy but they need to seriously ask themselves also where they'd draw the line. If implanted microchips in the future are proven to reduce crime and improve health for instance are the same people now pushing for everyone to take the vaccine also going to demand people get chip implants?

I will say no more after this because I have no specific expertise and do not want to mislead anyone.

My main objections were firstly to a statement that a young person had no need to be vaccinated because their mortality is low, this is not the point as i said and also might not continue to be the case if the thing keeps running wild and mutating as it is currently in India, while the morbidity mainly remains to be discovered, and secondly to a statement there was no evidence for inhibition of transmission when there is strong evidence in Israel. Masks have always been indicated whatever the WHO said initially for whatever reasons, ask the Taiwanese and similar nations who had experience with Covid 1 and dealt with Covid 2 about the best afaik, including wearing masks from the start of the current pandemic, and remdesivir was never claimed to influence mortality, again afaik. I have heard that there have also been cases of clotting from the Pfizer vaccine, perhaps not enough has been given in Australia to see this, but clotting is a much bigger and more common problem if you actually get the virus, including in young people. There have been cases of anaphylaxis from the Pfizer vaccine in Australia so they keep you around for observation with treatment available.

I would be very happy to have the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines myself.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

That's way off base. Not only was it well tested before being given emergency approvals, but 200 million people have tested it since, with virtually no negative effects.

All the vaccines have received the bare minimum of testing relative to all the other vaccines we received as children. Along with that is the fact that the long term effects of these vaccines are not known since none of them have been studied for longer than 6 months tops.

Again, I'm not rubber stamping these fears. I get that the benefits of stopping the spread of a disease that can be deadly and have quite severe and long-lasting symptoms outweigh the fears of side-effects, actual or projected, that the cautious might have. But lets acknowledge that 95% of doctors offered a vaccine have accepted which means 5% are as vaccine cautious as many others within the population. I consider that caution unreasonable but to dismiss it as simply irrational or only occurring among the ignorant kind of misses the mark.

[xdrta+]

I've spoken with enough people that I like and respect that are nervous about putting barely tested and borderline experimental substances in their body that I get it. I'm not, already got the J&J, but I get it. I've always been unusually healthy with a strong constitution and had a pretty cavalier attitude about my health and safety but not everyone does and I can understand it.

That's way off base. Not only was it well tested before being given emergency approvals, but 200 million people have tested it since, with virtually no negative effects.

All the vaccines have received the bare minimum of testing relative to all the other vaccines we received as children. Along with that is the fact that the long term effects of these vaccines are not known since none of them have been studied for longer than 6 months tops.

Again, I'm not rubber stamping these fears. I get that the benefits of stopping the spread of a disease that can be deadly and have quite severe and long-lasting symptoms outweigh the fears of side-effects, actual or projected, that the cautious might have. But lets acknowledge that 95% of doctors offered a vaccine have accepted which means 5% are as vaccine cautious as many others within the population. I consider that caution unreasonable but to dismiss it as simply irrational or only occurring among the ignorant kind of misses the mark.

Three million dead worldwide and a half million and counting in the US would argue that vaccine refusal is irrational. And thanks to the Trump regime who downplayed the epidemic from the beginning, most vaccine opposition is idealogical, rather than fear of the vaccine itself. Otherwise, how do you explain the polls that show 50% of Republican men say they won't get it, compared to 7% of Democratic men.

This is the first time an epidemic has been politicized like this, fed by Republicans in Congress, half of whom say they won't get vaccinated. Led by an ignoramus like Sen. Rand Paul [R-KY] who labelled Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading epidemiologist, “a government worrywart.” As long as politics, rather than science, is the major factor in the struggle, there is little hope of defeating this virus.

[Mob Byers]

Bazemore is a healthy adult male under 40. Why is this even a thread? He’s a big boy, can make his own decisions.

[Mob Byers]

That's way off base. Not only was it well tested before being given emergency approvals, but 200 million people have tested it since, with virtually no negative effects.

All the vaccines have received the bare minimum of testing relative to all the other vaccines we received as children. Along with that is the fact that the long term effects of these vaccines are not known since none of them have been studied for longer than 6 months tops.

Again, I'm not rubber stamping these fears. I get that the benefits of stopping the spread of a disease that can be deadly and have quite severe and long-lasting symptoms outweigh the fears of side-effects, actual or projected, that the cautious might have. But lets acknowledge that 95% of doctors offered a vaccine have accepted which means 5% are as vaccine cautious as many others within the population. I consider that caution unreasonable but to dismiss it as simply irrational or only occurring among the ignorant kind of misses the mark.

Three million dead worldwide and a half million and counting in the US would argue that vaccine refusal is irrational. And thanks to the Trump regime who downplayed the epidemic from the beginning, most vaccine opposition is idealogical, rather than fear of the vaccine itself. Otherwise, how do you explain the polls that show 50% of Republican men say they won't get it, compared to 7% of Democratic men.

This is the first time an epidemic has been politicized like this, fed by Republicans in Congress, half of whom say they won't get vaccinated. Led by an ignoramus like Sen. Rand Paul [R-KY] who labelled Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading epidemiologist, “a government worrywart.” As long as politics, rather than science, is the major factor in the struggle, there is little hope of defeating this virus.

This is one of the problems. Whether it’s “the left” or “the right”, it’s always some irrational political vomit to try to “one up” the other side. Shows we have a huge mental health issue here in America, made worse by confusing people for a year. Re-open asylums!

Anyways, the actual science and data are on Bazemores side here. He has a low chance of even being hospitalized thanks to his healthy lifestyle and age. So not sure why there is a 3 page uproar over this non story

[Old_Blue]

Again, I'm not rubber stamping these fears. I get that the benefits of stopping the spread of a disease that can be deadly and have quite severe and long-lasting symptoms outweigh the fears of side-effects, actual or projected, that the cautious might have. But lets acknowledge that 95% of doctors offered a vaccine have accepted which means 5% are as vaccine cautious as many others within the population. I consider that caution unreasonable but to dismiss it as simply irrational or only occurring among the ignorant kind of misses the mark.

So, you've got a Venn diagram that includes doctors and fools and its overlap composes 5% of doctors. This shouldn't surprise anyone. In California, a plastic surgeon who appeared in a videoconference for his traffic violation trial while operating on a patient is being investigated for several possible ethical and medical violations. Just like any other subset of people, some percentage of doctors say, do and believe stupid things. Hence the term "quacks." When you run into one of these "doctors" you don't just blindly agree with their beliefs and assessments. You do what makes sense - Get a second opinion. And, that second opinion, by an extremely wide margin says that the vaccines are not only safe but are also the only means of putting this entire sad chapter behind us.

And, make no mistake, when all the dust settles, this will be remembered as the most tragic period in our history. An estimated 35% of Covid deaths are not reported, bringing the actual death toll in the U.S. alone to a number approaching 800,000 in just a little over one year. Faced with that, everyone needs to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves if they want to be part of the problem or part of the solution.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/01/study-us-covid-cases-deaths-far-higher-reported

[xdrta+]

This is one of the problems. Whether it’s “the left” or “the right”, it’s always some irrational political vomit to try to “one up” the other side. Shows we have a huge mental health issue here in America, made worse by confusing people for a year. Re-open asylums!

Anyways, the actual science and data are on Bazemores side here. He has a low chance of even being hospitalized thanks to his healthy lifestyle and age. So not sure why there is a 3 page uproar over this non story

This is not a case of "both sides" trying to one-up the other. And the science is not on Bazemore's side. It's not just a matter of whether he gets hospitalized or not, that's not the question.

The science shows that when so many people are unvaccinated, there is a great deal room for the virus to thrive in. If 50% of the population is unvaccinated, that means the virus can survive, thrive, and mutate in a large population. As more and more are vaccinated, there is less and less room for the virus to survive, until it disappears altogether. There needs to be about 85-90% vaccinated for this. This is how smallpox was eradicated over several decades. This is the only way Covid will be eradicated.

So vaccine refusal doesn't just affect the individual. It's a matter of public health.

[whatisacenter]

This is one of the problems. Whether it’s “the left” or “the right”, it’s always some irrational political vomit to try to “one up” the other side. Shows we have a huge mental health issue here in America, made worse by confusing people for a year. Re-open asylums!

Anyways, the actual science and data are on Bazemores side here. He has a low chance of even being hospitalized thanks to his healthy lifestyle and age. So not sure why there is a 3 page uproar over this non story

This is not a case of "both sides" trying to one-up the other. And the science is not on Bazemore's side. It's not just a matter of whether he gets hospitalized or not, that's not the question.

The science shows that when so many people are unvaccinated, there is a great deal room for the virus to thrive in. If 50% of the population is unvaccinated, that means the virus can survive, thrive, and mutate in a large population. As more and more are vaccinated, there is less and less room for the virus to survive, until it disappears altogether. There needs to be about 85-90% vaccinated for this. This is how smallpox was eradicated over several decades. This is the only way Covid will be eradicated.

So vaccine refusal doesn't just affect the individual. It's a matter of public health.

Yep, and the longer people wait to get the vaccination the more time the virus will have to mutate into something that will infect those who feel like they are not at risk.

This should not be a left and right issue but alas here we are.

[Old_Blue]

This is not a case of "both sides" trying to one-up the other. And the science is not on Bazemore's side. It's not just a matter of whether he gets hospitalized or not, that's not the question.

The science shows that when so many people are unvaccinated, there is a great deal room for the virus to thrive in. If 50% of the population is unvaccinated, that means the virus can survive, thrive, and mutate in a large population. As more and more are vaccinated, there is less and less room for the virus to survive, until it disappears altogether. There needs to be about 85-90% vaccinated for this. This is how smallpox was eradicated over several decades. This is the only way Covid will be eradicated.

So vaccine refusal doesn't just affect the individual. It's a matter of public health.

Thank you for saying this. What is being asked of people has nothing to do with politics. We are being asked to each make a small sacrifice. The cumulative effect of all these small sacrifices will allow us all to return to normal life.