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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#41 » by vvoland » Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:52 pm

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45.5% is elite for 3 point pull-ups
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His catch and shoot is not elite.

We agree he needs to increase his volume.

The problem with him gambling isn’t so much the gambling aspect it’s that only so many players can rift and be a defensive playmaker before it breaks down. Dray gambles all the time on defense but we alllow him to gamble because more often than not he’s right and the team knows he’s gambling so everyone adjusts accordingly. Bp isn’t going to be dray but he’s offering his own form of rim protection which can be helpful we just can’t have him and dray and other people doing rim protection at the same time. It’s the fact he’s reading the game and putting himself in position is the exciting part. Sure it makes him slower to rotate and he already is small with a small wingspan but it’s the iq to see the play develop and get in position that is elite. He just needs to learn on when to apply it. It’s season 1 it’s a great starting point.



It's an elite % on tiny volume but the hard part will be keeping the % high while increasing attempts. I just don't really believe in the shot like the % says I should. I think it was all those missed free throws, especially the techs.


He wasn't a good ft shooter in college either. It really does seem like he needs that rhythm dribble for that energy transfer to work.

The problem for me is that while Dray is reading and reacting when he gambles, Podz, mostly, just gambles. I'm not trying to say he doesn't read the game or anything. I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us. It's doubly impressive considering he's a 'big' and his defensive responsibilities are numerous.

Green did and does hurt us when he gambles. Hell he even admittedly said he did in a recent podcast because he would get sucked in on actions and leave Ryan Anderson (or a player like him) open and he admitted he was a bad defender for ryan anderson type players because he would leave them open.

In podz's spot, he needs to be much better both on and off ball and he can get halfway there if he stops gambling quiet this much. Both on charges and rebounds, he can get punished by teams looking to take advantage of that aggression/mindset.

on ball defense really doesn't affect him gambling for a charge. I'm not sure why you're lumping them together. Is he the best on ball defender, no but it's not because he's roaming off someone to look to draw a charge. They are separate issues.

Give me the aggressive mindset and the coaches will find a way to reign him in, it's better that he's seeing the actions than just getting lost on any action.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or whatever. I'm just saying while the 'charge rate' is elite, to me, it doesn't equal elite defensive reads or instincts.

How do you think one takes charges? (this is what I mean by semantics)


Gambling is how he takes charges. Not sure what this has to do with semantics. You literally called out his reading of the game as "elite" and used his charge-taking as evidence of that "elite" skill. I'm saying there are players that gamble within the scope of the defense, like Dray, and don't hurt the overall defense. Usually because aside from gambles that don't work, they're good-to-great defenders. That's not Podz. I brought up on-ball because he does try to take charges in on ball defense (along with other gambles like trying for steals and early switches). In fact, he seems to try that more than most players I've seen as, typically, the charge is an off-ball defender sliding into position. Not as much with Podz. From memory, he tried to take the charge far more often that he tried to challenge the shot. It's like the reverse reed sheppard, despite being taller.

Bringing up Ryan Anderson seems like semantics. Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us and that's doubly impressive considering he's usually near the rim or ball or both. Of course, Dray's gambles hurt us when he loses that bet. But he almost never does lose and the rest of his defense more than makes up for it (like the Kyrie/Gafford stunt and recover late last year).

Podz loses his bets far more often (not by getting the block call but by being out of position) and doesn't do much else on defense other than gamble and rebound. To some extent, he has to. He doesn't have Dray's defensive instincts, size, strength, or length. It's the same reason Jalen Brunson was 2nd in the league in charges taken. If you're that small and unathletic, you don't have a ton of options on defense.

As for the shooting, you may be right, he may need that rhythm dribble. Which is why I don't have a ton of faith in his jumper, C&S or pull-up. It's hard to have the space and rhythm for that dribble in the NBA. He'll have chances on the delayed break, as the trailer, and, rarely, in the flow of the offense (a lot like last year). That probably won't be enough unless he becomes incredibly efficient in those touches. Summer league was different and he showed a strong dribble pull up from 2 and better C&S confidence. We'll see if it's just the rose-colored glasses of SL or if it's really more than that.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#42 » by Onus » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:09 am

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It's an elite % on tiny volume but the hard part will be keeping the % high while increasing attempts. I just don't really believe in the shot like the % says I should. I think it was all those missed free throws, especially the techs.


He wasn't a good ft shooter in college either. It really does seem like he needs that rhythm dribble for that energy transfer to work.

The problem for me is that while Dray is reading and reacting when he gambles, Podz, mostly, just gambles. I'm not trying to say he doesn't read the game or anything. I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us. It's doubly impressive considering he's a 'big' and his defensive responsibilities are numerous.

Green did and does hurt us when he gambles. Hell he even admittedly said he did in a recent podcast because he would get sucked in on actions and leave Ryan Anderson (or a player like him) open and he admitted he was a bad defender for ryan anderson type players because he would leave them open.

In podz's spot, he needs to be much better both on and off ball and he can get halfway there if he stops gambling quiet this much. Both on charges and rebounds, he can get punished by teams looking to take advantage of that aggression/mindset.

on ball defense really doesn't affect him gambling for a charge. I'm not sure why you're lumping them together. Is he the best on ball defender, no but it's not because he's roaming off someone to look to draw a charge. They are separate issues.

Give me the aggressive mindset and the coaches will find a way to reign him in, it's better that he's seeing the actions than just getting lost on any action.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, or whatever. I'm just saying while the 'charge rate' is elite, to me, it doesn't equal elite defensive reads or instincts.

How do you think one takes charges? (this is what I mean by semantics)


Gambling is how he takes charges. Not sure what this has to do with semantics. You literally called out his reading of the game as "elite" and used his charge-taking as evidence of that "elite" skill.


typically, the charge is an off-ball defender sliding into position.

So typically the charge is drawn by an off ball defender sliding into position before the offensive player (aka reading the game).

I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.


Bringing up Ryan Anderson seems like semantics. Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us and that's doubly impressive considering he's usually near the rim or ball or both. Of course, Dray's gambles hurt us when he loses that bet. But he almost never does lose and the rest of his defense more than makes up for it (like the Kyrie/Gafford stunt and recover late last year).



At this point I can't take you seriously. You literally contradict yourself as soon as your next post. I'm sure you'll say I didn't say "Never". This is what I'm talking about semantics.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#43 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:14 am

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He wasn't a good ft shooter in college either. It really does seem like he needs that rhythm dribble for that energy transfer to work.


Green did and does hurt us when he gambles. Hell he even admittedly said he did in a recent podcast because he would get sucked in on actions and leave Ryan Anderson (or a player like him) open and he admitted he was a bad defender for ryan anderson type players because he would leave them open.


on ball defense really doesn't affect him gambling for a charge. I'm not sure why you're lumping them together. Is he the best on ball defender, no but it's not because he's roaming off someone to look to draw a charge. They are separate issues.

Give me the aggressive mindset and the coaches will find a way to reign him in, it's better that he's seeing the actions than just getting lost on any action.


How do you think one takes charges? (this is what I mean by semantics)


Gambling is how he takes charges. Not sure what this has to do with semantics. You literally called out his reading of the game as "elite" and used his charge-taking as evidence of that "elite" skill.


typically, the charge is an off-ball defender sliding into position.

So typically the charge is drawn by an off ball defender sliding into position before the offensive player (aka reading the game).


I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.


Bringing up Ryan Anderson seems like semantics. Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us and that's doubly impressive considering he's usually near the rim or ball or both. Of course, Dray's gambles hurt us when he loses that bet. But he almost never does lose and the rest of his defense more than makes up for it (like the Kyrie/Gafford stunt and recover late last year).



At this point I can't take you seriously. You literally contradict yourself as soon as your next post. I'm sure you'll say I didn't say "Never". This is what I'm talking about semantics.


Did you not read the very next sentence when I say, "not so much with Podz?"

How did I contradict myself, exactly?
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#44 » by Onus » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:18 am

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Gambling is how he takes charges. Not sure what this has to do with semantics. You literally called out his reading of the game as "elite" and used his charge-taking as evidence of that "elite" skill.


typically, the charge is an off-ball defender sliding into position.

So typically the charge is drawn by an off ball defender sliding into position before the offensive player (aka reading the game).


I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.


Bringing up Ryan Anderson seems like semantics. Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us and that's doubly impressive considering he's usually near the rim or ball or both. Of course, Dray's gambles hurt us when he loses that bet. But he almost never does lose and the rest of his defense more than makes up for it (like the Kyrie/Gafford stunt and recover late last year).



At this point I can't take you seriously. You literally contradict yourself as soon as your next post. I'm sure you'll say I didn't say "Never". This is what I'm talking about semantics.


Did you not read the very next sentence when I say, "not so much with Podz?"

How did I contradict myself, exactly?

Are you really trying to say that Podz drew 38 charges last year and a majority of them were on ball?

vvoland wrote:I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.

vvoland wrote: Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#45 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 12:40 am

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So typically the charge is drawn by an off ball defender sliding into position before the offensive player (aka reading the game).

At this point I can't take you seriously. You literally contradict yourself as soon as your next post. I'm sure you'll say I didn't say "Never". This is what I'm talking about semantics.


Did you not read the very next sentence when I say, "not so much with Podz?"

How did I contradict myself, exactly?

Are you really trying to say that Podz drew 38 charges last year and a majority of them were on ball?

vvoland wrote:I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.

vvoland wrote: Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us


Do you really think that's what I said and, if so, who's really engaging in semantics? "Not so much with Podz" literally means that: Not as many of his charges were off-ball as one would normally associate with the charge call. Do I have data to back up that assertion? No, but I feel pretty confident in that statement; feel free to disagree.

You clearly thought "defensive tightrope" = "gambles" and didn't stop to think why I made sure to call them different things. In fact, in the subsequent post, when I realized you're confusing one for the other, I made sure to define what I meant by "defensive tightrope." Instead of recognizing your mistake in conflating "gamble" for "defensive tightrope" you'd rather accuse me of "semantics" and contradicting myself. If you still think, even after I provided the literal F'ing definition as I was using it, that gamble = defensive tightrope, we'll all know you are just a troll.

You also seem to be purposefully myopic. I mentioned a ton of things he doesn't do well on defense and why his charge-taking isn't a great sign of elite game instincts. Instead of addressing any of that, you chose to focus on how many of his charges do I think were on-ball vs off?
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#46 » by Onus » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:02 am

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Did you not read the very next sentence when I say, "not so much with Podz?"

How did I contradict myself, exactly?

Are you really trying to say that Podz drew 38 charges last year and a majority of them were on ball?

vvoland wrote:I'm just saying Dray's defensive tightrope, isn't something that hurt us.

vvoland wrote: Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us? Nope. It's his defensive tightrope, when to gamble, when to switch, when to play fundamental defense that doesn't hurt us


Do you really think that's what I said and, if so, who's really engaging in semantics? "Not so much with Podz" literally means that: Not as many of his charges were off-ball as one would normally associate with the charge call. Do I have data to back up that assertion? No, but I feel pretty confident in that statement; feel free to disagree.

This is what I'm talking about. What does not many mean? Is that 2, that's more than 1 which can be many, but that's not really significant. What number is enough to mean he's reading the game well enough to draw charges off the ball? 8?19? The only way it would be significant to mean that he's not reading the game well would be at least more than half. But 19 would still be a lot of off ball charges. If it's less than half then he's reading the game well and sliding over to draw a charge. Hence drawing charges means you're able to read the game well enough to get to a spot before the offensive player.


You clearly thought "defensive tightrope" = "gambles" and didn't stop to think why I made sure to call them different things.
See semantics

In fact, in the subsequent post, when I realized you're confusing one for the other, I made sure to define what I meant by "defensive tightrope." Instead of recognizing your mistake in conflating "gamble" for "defensive tightrope" you'd rather accuse me of "semantics" and contradicting myself. If you still think, even after I provided the literal F'ing definition as I was using it, that gamble = defensive tightrope, we'll all know you are just a troll.

You also seem to be purposefully myopic. I mentioned a ton of things he doesn't do well on defense and why his charge-taking isn't a great sign of elite game instincts. Instead of addressing any of that, you chose to focus on how many of his charges do I think were on-ball vs off?
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No I made an assertion and you choose to strawman an argument out of my assertion. You applied your definition to what I was asserting and in doing so contradict yourself in all of your arguments. It's because you continually strawman arguments out of thin air.

And yes I'm being very particular in what I'm addressing with your comments because I don't want your mind to wander off into another delusion.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#47 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:12 am

Onus wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Are you really trying to say that Podz drew 38 charges last year and a majority of them were on ball?




Do you really think that's what I said and, if so, who's really engaging in semantics? "Not so much with Podz" literally means that: Not as many of his charges were off-ball as one would normally associate with the charge call. Do I have data to back up that assertion? No, but I feel pretty confident in that statement; feel free to disagree.

This is what I'm talking about. What does not many mean? Is that 2, that's more than 1 which can be many, but that's not really significant. What number is enough to mean he's reading the game well enough to draw charges off the ball? 8?19? The only way it would be significant to mean that he's not reading the game well would be at least more than half. But 19 would still be a lot of off ball charges. If it's less than half then he's reading the game well and sliding over to draw a charge. Hence drawing charges means you're able to read the game well enough to get to a spot before the offensive player.


You clearly thought "defensive tightrope" = "gambles" and didn't stop to think why I made sure to call them different things.
See semantics

In fact, in the subsequent post, when I realized you're confusing one for the other, I made sure to define what I meant by "defensive tightrope." Instead of recognizing your mistake in conflating "gamble" for "defensive tightrope" you'd rather accuse me of "semantics" and contradicting myself. If you still think, even after I provided the literal F'ing definition as I was using it, that gamble = defensive tightrope, we'll all know you are just a troll.

You also seem to be purposefully myopic. I mentioned a ton of things he doesn't do well on defense and why his charge-taking isn't a great sign of elite game instincts. Instead of addressing any of that, you chose to focus on how many of his charges do I think were on-ball vs off?

No I made an assertion and you choose to strawman an argument out of my assertion. You applied your definition to what I was asserting and in doing so contradict yourself in all of your arguments. It's because you continually strawman arguments out of thin air.

And yes I'm being very particular in what I'm addressing with your comments because I don't want your mind to wander off into another delusion.[/quote]

Your assertion was IN RESPONSE TO MY STATEMENT. I said "dray's tightrope doesn't hurt us" and you chose to read that as "dray's gambles never hurt us". You think I'm conflating the two when they're clearly two different things - that's why I used two different words. What's the strawman? Define it, if I did so here. Tell me how the term "defensive tightrope" = "gamble." If you think those two things are identical or mean the same thing, even after having the explanation hand f'ing fed to you, there's not much more to say.

You've quoted probably two dozen statements I've made but I've yet to see two things that contradict each other outside of your clearly erroneous conception that 'gamble' and 'defensive tightrope' are, somehow, the same thing.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#48 » by Onus » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:34 am

vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Do you really think that's what I said and, if so, who's really engaging in semantics? "Not so much with Podz" literally means that: Not as many of his charges were off-ball as one would normally associate with the charge call. Do I have data to back up that assertion? No, but I feel pretty confident in that statement; feel free to disagree.

This is what I'm talking about. What does not many mean? Is that 2, that's more than 1 which can be many, but that's not really significant. What number is enough to mean he's reading the game well enough to draw charges off the ball? 8?19? The only way it would be significant to mean that he's not reading the game well would be at least more than half. But 19 would still be a lot of off ball charges. If it's less than half then he's reading the game well and sliding over to draw a charge. Hence drawing charges means you're able to read the game well enough to get to a spot before the offensive player.


You clearly thought "defensive tightrope" = "gambles" and didn't stop to think why I made sure to call them different things.
See semantics

In fact, in the subsequent post, when I realized you're confusing one for the other, I made sure to define what I meant by "defensive tightrope." Instead of recognizing your mistake in conflating "gamble" for "defensive tightrope" you'd rather accuse me of "semantics" and contradicting myself. If you still think, even after I provided the literal F'ing definition as I was using it, that gamble = defensive tightrope, we'll all know you are just a troll.

You also seem to be purposefully myopic. I mentioned a ton of things he doesn't do well on defense and why his charge-taking isn't a great sign of elite game instincts. Instead of addressing any of that, you chose to focus on how many of his charges do I think were on-ball vs off?

No I made an assertion and you choose to strawman an argument out of my assertion. You applied your definition to what I was asserting and in doing so contradict yourself in all of your arguments. It's because you continually strawman arguments out of thin air.

And yes I'm being very particular in what I'm addressing with your comments because I don't want your mind to wander off into another delusion.


Your assertion was IN RESPONSE TO MY STATEMENT. I said "dray's tightrope doesn't hurt us" and you chose to read that as "dray's gambles never hurt us". You think I'm conflating the two when they're clearly two different things - that's why I used two different words. What's the strawman? Define it, if I did so here. Tell me how the term "defensive tightrope" = "gamble." If you think those two things are identical or mean the same thing, even after having the explanation hand f'ing fed to you, there's not much more to say.

You've quoted probably two dozen statements I've made but I've yet to see two things that contradict each other outside of your clearly erroneous conception that 'gamble' and 'defensive tightrope' are, somehow, the same thing.

I said gambling isn't the worst thing in the world it's about applying the wherewithal to know when to gamble.

Then you say something about dray's tightrope not hurting us.

I give an example where Dray admits he was hurting the team because of his gambling.

You say "Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us?" You did just say dray's tightroping isn't something that hurts us. (This is a contradiction)

Well his tightroping hurt the team. Whatever you want to call it, Dray hurt the team, tightroping. Dray's defensive actions and decision making hurt the team. I give you a clear scenario he did not know when to gamble, when to switch or play fundamental defense and he knew it was hurting the team from his own mouth.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#49 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:09 am

I said gambling isn't the worst thing in the world it's about applying the wherewithal to know when to gamble.
You said a bit more than that

Then you say something about dray's tightrope not hurting us.
I see my mistake. I should have explained what I meant. Dray can walk a tightrope because he can recover if he loses a gamble, defensively, while quarterbacking the defense, switching between on and off ball, and a bunch of other things. What good, mobile defensive centers are doing on almost every possession. The physicality, mental awareness, communication; with dray, even the fouling and emotional baggage. On balance, it doesn't hurt the team despite the incidents where i parts of it (usually the emotional ones) kills it.

Centers like zinger, Lopez, Rudy can be highly successful without ever having to approach a cliff, much less a tightrope. They play fundamental, rim centric, defense and rarely have to do all the things a draymond does. That's what I meant by tightrope.

I give an example where Dray admits he was hurting the team because of his gambling.

You say "Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us?" You did just say dray's tightroping isn't something that hurts us. (This is a contradiction)

Well his tightroping hurt the team. Whatever you want to call it, Dray hurt the team, tightroping. Dray's defensive actions and decision making hurt the team. I give you a clear scenario he did not know when to gamble, when to switch or play fundamental defense and he knew it was hurting the team from his own mouth.[/quote]

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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#50 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:09 am

I said gambling isn't the worst thing in the world it's about applying the wherewithal to know when to gamble.

You said a bit more than that

Then you say something about dray's tightrope not hurting us.

I see my mistake. I should have explained what I meant. Dray can walk a tightrope because he can recover if he loses a gamble, defensively, while quarterbacking the defense, switching between on and off ball, and a bunch of other things. What good, mobile defensive centers are doing on almost every possession. The physicality, mental awareness, communication; with dray, even the fouling and emotional baggage. On balance, it doesn't hurt the team despite the incidents where i parts of it (usually the emotional ones) kills it.

Centers like zinger, Lopez, Rudy can be highly successful without ever having to approach a cliff, much less a tightrope. They play fundamental, rim centric, defense and rarely have to do all the things a draymond does. That's what I meant by tightrope.

I give an example where Dray admits he was hurting the team because of his gambling.

You say "Did I say Dray's gambles never hurt us?" You did just say dray's tightroping isn't something that hurts us. (This is a contradiction)

Well his tightroping hurt the team. Whatever you want to call it, Dray hurt the team, tightroping. Dray's defensive actions and decision making hurt the team. I give you a clear scenario he did not know when to gamble, when to switch or play fundamental defense and he knew it was hurting the team from his own mouth.[/quote]

Let's chalk it up to a miscommunication and move on. You see the schedule yet?
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#51 » by CDM_Stats » Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:13 am

Podz graded out as an average on-ball defender and above average off-ball defender (heavily skewed towards the charges).. crazy for a rookie guard who's actual value in the NBA is going to eventually come on the other side of the court. Right now his offensive game is what's keeping him down because having an on-ball guard that doesn't score very much, or very efficiently, is a big detriment

That's why the projection model really likes him.. if he can maintain his defense from last year while taking a volume step forward on offense, specifically from deep, he's likely the best under 25 player we have on the roster
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#52 » by vvoland » Tue Aug 20, 2024 5:15 am

CDM_Stats wrote:Podz graded out as an average on-ball defender and above average off-ball defender (heavily skewed towards the charges).. crazy for a rookie guard who's actual value in the NBA is going to eventually come on the other side of the court. Right now his offensive game is what's keeping him down because having an on-ball guard that doesn't score very much, or very efficiently, is a big detriment

That's why the projection model really likes him.. if he can maintain his defense from last year while taking a volume step forward on offense, specifically from deep, he's likely the best under 25 player we have on the roster


Do you believe that grade? Like I said to onus, BP's 3pt % should indicate he's an elite shooter but I don't buy it. I could say the same for the defense. These grades seem inflated, probably by the charges, and I'd guess he'll peak as average on-ball, above avg off-ball but I don't think he's there yet. Seems quite below average, especially on ball. Does Brunson (another small guard with lotsa charges) grade similarly well?
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#53 » by Onus » Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:15 pm

It's kind of hilarious that we're having very similar conversations that we had about Klay and Barnes with Podz and JK.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#54 » by Twinkie defense » Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:27 pm

All Rookie first team. Cooper Flagg's favorite player at Team USA. If you don't think Brandin Podziemski can play you just don't know ball, what else is there to say...
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#55 » by NW » Wed Aug 28, 2024 3:28 pm

Per Anthony Slater in the Athletic today.

The Warriors fielded several medium- to high-value draft pick offers for Podziemski in June, team sources confirmed. The Warriors, however, declined to bite. Weeks later, Podziemski’s trade value became a hotter topic when it became clear that the Utah Jazz, if they were to even entertain moving Lauri Markkanen, would need Podziemski as part of the return package.

That’s around the same time Podziemski ran into Warriors owner Joe Lacob. They both were at a Las Vegas Aces game during summer league and crossed paths at halftime. Lacob, according to Podziemski, told him he’d seen Jazz owner Ryan Smith at dinner the night before and let it be known Podziemski was protected.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#56 » by EvanZ » Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:19 pm

It's like overrated vs overvalued. I think he's being rated fairly, but overvalued. IMHO
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#57 » by EvanZ » Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:19 pm

Onus wrote:It's kind of hilarious that we're having very similar conversations that we had about Klay and Barnes with Podz and JK.


Does that mean Moody turns into Draymond? :lol:
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#58 » by Onus » Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:37 pm

EvanZ wrote:It's like overrated vs overvalued. I think he's being rated fairly, but overvalued. IMHO

I mean a Moody, Podz, JK + 3 1sts and 3 swaps is steep. I'm not sure Utah even valued him at all if that was what it would take. If we could've taken out a 1st and a swap I may have done it, but that's still a really steep price, and I'm probably higher on Lauri than most.
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#59 » by EvanZ » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:02 pm

Onus wrote:
EvanZ wrote:It's like overrated vs overvalued. I think he's being rated fairly, but overvalued. IMHO

I mean a Moody, Podz, JK + 3 1sts and 3 swaps is steep. I'm not sure Utah even valued him at all if that was what it would take. If we could've taken out a 1st and a swap I may have done it, but that's still a really steep price, and I'm probably higher on Lauri than most.


Sorry....


I assumed this thread meant "Overrated by us". :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: It's only been a year and Brandin Podziemski is already Overrated 

Post#60 » by Onus » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:52 pm

EvanZ wrote:
Onus wrote:
EvanZ wrote:It's like overrated vs overvalued. I think he's being rated fairly, but overvalued. IMHO

I mean a Moody, Podz, JK + 3 1sts and 3 swaps is steep. I'm not sure Utah even valued him at all if that was what it would take. If we could've taken out a 1st and a swap I may have done it, but that's still a really steep price, and I'm probably higher on Lauri than most.


Sorry....


I assumed this thread meant "Overrated by us". :lol: :lol: :lol:

I mean sure that could be true as well, but does it matter if we overrate him if he's not even rated by our trade partner?
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