The Rebuild Thread

[EvanZ]

Looks like we are just going to run it back. Einstein said this insanity. I told you all we have another choice and that is to get off the treadmill and trade Steph and get a big haul and do a proper rebuild.

Who's with me now?

They never listen.

Which should we have listened to? This banger from 2011?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1112032&p=28086778&hilit=trade+curry#p28086778

I would definitely not trade Curry for a 3,4, or 5 pick, and probably not for a 1 or 2 pick either (we are talking this next draft, right?).

I would trade Curry for Anthony Davis. No hesitation.

Or this one from 2012 where you sink the entire dynasty?
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1141376&p=30457085&hilit=trade+curry#p30457085

Lee+Curry for Millsap+ Harris.

Monta+Wright for Mbah a Moute/Leuer/Beno Udrih

starting lineup:

Harris
Klay
Mbah a Moute
Millsap
Udoh

bench:

Beno
Nate
Rush
Leuer
Tyler

Figure it out from there. Harris and Millsap have 1-yr remaining on their contracts. If it works great, if not, blow it up next season.

Love it that you had to go back over a decade. I must be a genius.

[EvanZ]

If you don’t trade Curry, Wiggins or Green it’s not a rebuild.

[DonaldSanders]

Love it that you had to go back over a decade. I must be a genius.

I'm sure I could find more in a few minutes. I found it realllly fast actually, just searched for "curry trade" after clicking on search user posts in your profile and started at the end. Boom. Took about 2 minutes.

[Jester_]

So disrespectful to Curry and everything he did here. I really resent our front office

Disrespectful how???

The FO has gone above and beyond as long as they were able to do so.

After the 22 title, which was the cherry on top and was attainable due to the team getting something for nothing when KD went to the Nets, the league changed the CBA and made surrounding Curry with enough talent to contend nearly impossible.

Curry has been beyond amazing for the past 10 years and he was able to stand on top of the league 4 times in his career. Not many all time greats get to say that. Fans need to quit crying and just enjoy the glow of a dynasty for the first time in team history.

lol what in the **** are you talking about dude. we've turned into post-Kobe Lakers which is exactly what people warned because of this stupid two timelines approach. it was idiotic to cling on to **** young players instead of committing one way or another

quit lecturing people to be happy watching this bull product day in day out just because Steph won us some rings

[CDM_Stats]

Werent a lot of people OK with trading Curry back then? If memory serves that was his 3rd season and he had just had his 25th ankle injury, except this one was keeping him out even longer. I know I wasn't entirely against him being dealt, at least not until the preseason of his 4th year. I believe it was against Portland.. everyone thought he rolled his ankle again. But it was clear to me at the time that it was likely a joint or strength issue, just because the way it got hurt was so weird. They wound up giving him new shoes and treating it differently, and then Curry became something of an iron man... but yeah the post Abdenour training staff wasn't our best. That said, even they couldnt ignore that the Curry ankle issue wasnt being treated right

[whatisacenter]

So disrespectful to Curry and everything he did here. I really resent our front office

Disrespectful how???

The FO has gone above and beyond as long as they were able to do so.

After the 22 title, which was the cherry on top and was attainable due to the team getting something for nothing when KD went to the Nets, the league changed the CBA and made surrounding Curry with enough talent to contend nearly impossible.

Curry has been beyond amazing for the past 10 years and he was able to stand on top of the league 4 times in his career. Not many all time greats get to say that. Fans need to quit crying and just enjoy the glow of a dynasty for the first time in team history.

lol what in the **** are you talking about dude. we've turned into post-Kobe Lakers which is exactly what people warned because of this stupid two timelines approach. it was idiotic to cling on to **** young players instead of committing one way or another

quit lecturing people to be happy watching this bull product day in day out just because Steph won us some rings

Good ole, Jester, one can always count on you to come out when times are down!

[WarriorGM]

One game with a new guy goes bad and you guys go into meltdown mode. Oh brother.

[Onus]

Not sure if you have watched the last 3 games or so but Steph and Draymond have been a big part of the losing. Do you see either of them elevating their teammates?

It would take an all-star roster to get those two another chip, IMO.

Curry was pretty good against dallas. If we weren’t experimenting we would’ve been in that game. If we weren’t experimenting we would’ve beat the rockets as well.

We’re still experimenting with lineups and haven’t even played our best lineup yet. Until we do it’s hard to make any proclamations about the team and their demise.

Best lineup being curry/hield/wiggins/dray

The Warriors had the Rockets game until Steph and Dray had two empty possessions with 24 second violations and Steph took a deep three way too early in the shot clock.

The Warriors had multiple chances to make it a one score game against Dallas but Draymond was throwing lobs off the top of the backboard.

curry/hield/wiggins/dray is only 4 players....who are you playing with them?

That’s the point. We’re in the experiment phase and we’re still in the games against the top of the west. If we weren’t experimenting and playing our best lineups who knows what would’ve happened.

According to cdm anyone but jk.

[Onus]

this is like the Foundation Trilogy. The Dark Ages are coming to the Empire no matter what. It's jsut a question of shortening them by 1000 years.

You're not shortening it, you're just making it longer. Just because you start something earlier doesn't mean you come out of it sooner.

That feels like it has to be false. Unless you mean that any deviation from the current path leads to a darker future? If not, then that is what this thread is for: discussing the best path forward.

Moving away from curry leads you into the dark ages. When you get out of the dark ages who knows, the bulls have been in the dark ages since Jordan. Running to get to the dark ages sooner doesn’t mean you get out of the dark ages sooner it just means you start it sooner.

[DB23]

I think it’s reasonable to trade 1-2 more firsts to try and make one more run with curry.

Mainly because even if we went rebuild now, our scouting department has been awful + lacob worries me. He seems to think too much of his input into the team when it’s always been about curry. Doesn’t seem like a recipe for a quick rebuild.

[floppymoose]

You're not shortening it, you're just making it longer. Just because you start something earlier doesn't mean you come out of it sooner.

That feels like it has to be false. Unless you mean that any deviation from the current path leads to a darker future? If not, then that is what this thread is for: discussing the best path forward.

Moving away from curry leads you into the dark ages. When you get out of the dark ages who knows, the bulls have been in the dark ages since Jordan. Running to get to the dark ages sooner doesn’t mean you get out of the dark ages sooner it just means you start it sooner.

Well, ok… but i was proposing moving Wiggins. I mean, if you want to quote me and argue…. Then at least argue about something i said?

[Onus]

That feels like it has to be false. Unless you mean that any deviation from the current path leads to a darker future? If not, then that is what this thread is for: discussing the best path forward.

Moving away from curry leads you into the dark ages. When you get out of the dark ages who knows, the bulls have been in the dark ages since Jordan. Running to get to the dark ages sooner doesn’t mean you get out of the dark ages sooner it just means you start it sooner.

Well, ok… but i was proposing moving Wiggins. I mean, if you want to quote me and argue…. Then at least argue about something i said?

Wiggins is our 2nd best player on a good contract. Who are you trading him for that will make us better?

[watch1958]

From a CBA and contract point of view, is it to trade Steph for value?

[floppymoose]

Hell, picks would make us better. I’m asking for a youth movement here. Lets start getting the farm system in order. Do i need a specific trade to participate? Did anyone here name any of the OKC trades exactly during their beginning of their rebuild?

[floppymoose]

Wiggins is our 2nd best player on a good contract.

Exactly. Thats why he is a good piece to offer in a rebuild. He has value, just not to a team like GSW. GSWs next timeline to compete is after Wiggins deal. Get something that can help GSW *then* instead of Wiggins’ value *now*.

[CDM_Stats]

From a CBA and contract point of view, is it to trade Steph for value?

If Steph isnt here anymore, then the whole tax situation is pretty moot anyways. Only really matters if we're trying to contend.. if we're not, then only thing that matters is to stack assets, as the team doesnt currently have any young players who profile as a top 3 player on a winner

[watch1958]

From a CBA and contract point of view, is it to trade Steph for value?

If Steph isnt here anymore, then the whole tax situation is pretty moot anyways. Only really matters if we're trying to contend.. if we're not, then only thing that matters is to stack assets, as the team doesnt currently have any young players who profile as a top 3 player on a winner

I wasn’t thinking about whether they should trade him. I was wondering whether there’s even a market for his contract. Maybe there’s a team that could take him on.

[DonaldSanders]

Exactly. Thats why he is a good piece to offer in a rebuild. He has value, just not to a team like GSW. GSWs next timeline to compete is after Wiggins deal. Get something that can help GSW *then* instead of Wiggins’ value *now*.

Why not start with Draymond? Move him along with Kuminga or Podz etc. for another player. Draymond is showing signs of decline, and if you want a youth movement, I think he is the first guy to look at. He's getting older. You could keep Steph around as the older guy, while building assets. You'd have the new younger than Dray player and Wiggins, for a core of 2/3 being under 30.

Do you think the organization would actually trade Steph unless he asked? I don't think so, not now, not next year, and very unlikely the year after. There's loyalty, and there is the business case as the #1 valued franchise with Steph making the most endorsement dollars, that Steph fuels the business. I wouldn't be surprised if attendance fell off a cliff if Steph was traded for bad players + picks, plus the backlash. Lacob is not doing that, he's too invested in trying to win and enjoys making money. He believes he can just keep constantly winning without bottoming out, hence the 2 timeslines stuff. He's not going to intentionally tank, at least I'd be shocked if he did so any time soon.

So if you can agree we aren't making Steph, but you want to go younger, Dray to me is the first target. Not many teams have won championships through intentional tanking, but we can try to build up assets overall. Draymond is a declining asset, and you could try to obtain someone of higher value if the right deal is there. Maybe it isn't, but that's who I'd look to move first.

[floppymoose]

So if i were GM, everybody would be available. I would work with Steph to allow him to help choose his course, which might even be staying if he wants to mentor young players.

The reason i always start with Wiggins is that he has win-now value to someone without being a lifelong Warrior. There is zero reason to keep him around in a rebuild. But i’m totally willing to do a complete tear down.

[xdrta+]

I wonder what Draymond's value is to another team. $70MM in salary for the rest of this year plus two more years. That might be hard for a GM to justify.