Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice

[a8bil]

That guy is full of Sh*t. That apology video is damage control to protect his future broadcasting career and to get one last NBA contract, nothing more.

[Old_Blue]

Since some folks brought up the subject of a lawsuit, it's interesting to note that Poole may not be the only party to have a potential claim against Draymond...

The claim of negligent infliction of emotional distress (NIED) arises when a relative views (including virtually by means of video) their family member being injured by a defendant. California law requires contemporaneous observation of the injury-causing event. Poole's relative would have had to learn of his injury live as it was happening. So, had the practice been live streamed, any California plaintiff with standing would have had a reasonable claim to relief.

Then, there is Indiana. Indiana law pertaining to NIED parallels California law with one critical difference - contemporaneous observation by the relative is not required. Poole's Indiana resident relative could have learned of his injury a day or two later by turning on the TV and seeing the incident on TMZ and still met the requirements for a NIED claim under Indiana law. And, where did Poole graduate from high school? - Indiana, of course.

https://www.pavlacklawfirm.com/blog/2020/12/can-a-virtual-presence-satisfy-the-requirements-for-negligent-infliction-of-emotional-distress/

[xdrta+]

Since some folks brought up the subject of a lawsuit, it's interesting to note that Poole may not be the only party to have a potential claim against Draymond...

The claim of negligent infliction of emotional distress (NIED) arises when a relative views (including virtually by means of video) their family member being injured by a defendant. California law requires contemporaneous observation of the injury-causing event. Poole's relative would have had to learn of his injury live as it was happening. So, had the practice been live streamed, any California plaintiff with standing would have had a reasonable claim to relief.

Then, there is Indiana. Indiana law pertaining to NIED parallels California law with one critical difference - contemporaneous observation by the relative is not required. Poole's Indiana resident relative could have learned of his injury a day or two later by turning on the TV and seeing the incident on TMZ and still met the requirements for a NIED claim under Indiana law. And, where did Poole graduate from high school? - Indiana, of course.

https://www.pavlacklawfirm.com/blog/2020/12/can-a-virtual-presence-satisfy-the-requirements-for-negligent-infliction-of-emotional-distress/

Interesting, but was their family member injured? It doesn't appear that way from everything we've seen so far. He continued practice for several hours, there's been no report of any injury, sounds like a tough case to make.

[Old_Blue]

Since some folks brought up the subject of a lawsuit, it's interesting to note that Poole may not be the only party to have a potential claim against Draymond...

The claim of negligent infliction of emotional distress (NIED) arises when a relative views (including virtually by means of video) their family member being injured by a defendant. California law requires contemporaneous observation of the injury-causing event. Poole's relative would have had to learn of his injury live as it was happening. So, had the practice been live streamed, any California plaintiff with standing would have had a reasonable claim to relief.

Then, there is Indiana. Indiana law pertaining to NIED parallels California law with one critical difference - contemporaneous observation by the relative is not required. Poole's Indiana resident relative could have learned of his injury a day or two later by turning on the TV and seeing the incident on TMZ and still met the requirements for a NIED claim under Indiana law. And, where did Poole graduate from high school? - Indiana, of course.

https://www.pavlacklawfirm.com/blog/2020/12/can-a-virtual-presence-satisfy-the-requirements-for-negligent-infliction-of-emotional-distress/

Interesting, but was their family member injured? It doesn't appear that way from everything we've seen so far. He continued practice for several hours, there's been no report of any injury, sounds like a tough case to make.

It's just a hypothetical to further elucidate just how big a world of hurt Draymond was exposing himself to.

[Samurai]

I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.

If this were Curry, Klay, or Loon that threw the punch, I would agree that they would deserve the benefit of the doubt since to my knowledge, none of them have ever come close to displaying such an outburst. I think Dray has a much deeper history of volatility than those three, thus I wouldn't give Dray the same benefit of the doubt.

[Old_Blue]

I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.

If this were Curry, Klay, or Loon that threw the punch, I would agree that they would deserve the benefit of the doubt since to my knowledge, none of them have ever come close to displaying such an outburst. I think Dray has a much deeper history of volatility than those three, thus I wouldn't give Dray the same benefit of the doubt.

Substitute 5th Avenue for Market Street, voters for fans and this clown's picture for Draymond's picture. Some people are like cats on steroids...They've got limitless batches of nine lives.

[clyde21]

Dray deserving the benefit of the doubt is the oddest take, if there is one guy who doesn't deserve it based on his history it's Dray

[B-King]

I think this situation will light a fire on Draymond... he will be laser focused on the season.

At the expensive of Jordan Poole's jaw, this incident as you indicated could be beneficial. I see the following benefits:

1. Draymond stays in line for the year and is cognizant of the optics of everything he does.
2. It helps with the inevitable, the breaking up of the core.
3. More incentive for our young players to see the opportunity to play a larger role in the near future.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.

If this were Curry, Klay, or Loon that threw the punch, I would agree that they would deserve the benefit of the doubt since to my knowledge, none of them have ever come close to displaying such an outburst. I think Dray has a much deeper history of volatility than those three, thus I wouldn't give Dray the same benefit of the doubt.

Substitute 5th Avenue for Market Street, voters for fans and this clown's picture for Draymond's picture. Some people are like cats on steroids...They've got limitless batches of nine lives.

I find it hard to believe you think Trump is a fair comparison to Draymond. Billionaire landlord Trump, son of a millionaire landlord, grandson of a whorehouse pimp, leader of an anti-democratic and fascist cult is similar to Draymond how?

It's this kind of ridiculous hyperbole that makes people decry so-called "cancel culture". Try to have some common sense. Two people can behave badly without them being remotely the same. I think Draymond made a mistake while Trump is consciously trying to subvert democracy and create a violent fascist social movement. Why in the world would you think it's at all appropriate to mention them in the same breath?

I think the difference between me and you and many of the people condemning Draymond is that I have a strong sense of compassion and empathy and strive to have love for all my fellow human beings. Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt because everyone I've heard that knows him personally describes him as a good person. Nobody here knows him personally, your opinions are only the product of media hype and an estrangement from your own humanity. So many cynical pathetic, pitiful individuals here.

[Impuniti]

I think this situation will light a fire on Draymond... he will be laser focused on the season.

At the expensive of Jordan Poole's jaw, this incident as you indicated could be beneficial. I see the following benefits:

1. Draymond stays in line for the year and is cognizant of the optics of everything he does.
2. It helps with the inevitable, the breaking up of the core.
3. More incentive for our young players to see the opportunity to play a larger role in the near future.

Draymond Green has never in his life stayed in line. He didn't do it once they lost the 2016 final, he didn't do it after KD left, he wasn't humble after looking like a bum and one of the worst players in the entire league in 2020, and he won't now.

[clyde21]

why tf is Trump even in this thread?

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

If this were Curry, Klay, or Loon that threw the punch, I would agree that they would deserve the benefit of the doubt since to my knowledge, none of them have ever come close to displaying such an outburst. I think Dray has a much deeper history of volatility than those three, thus I wouldn't give Dray the same benefit of the doubt.

Substitute 5th Avenue for Market Street, voters for fans and this clown's picture for Draymond's picture. Some people are like cats on steroids...They've got limitless batches of nine lives.

I find it hard to believe you think Trump is a fair comparison to Draymond. Billionaire landlord Trump, son of a millionaire landlord, grandson of a whorehouse pimp, leader of an anti-democratic and fascist cult is similar to Draymond how?

It's this kind of ridiculous hyperbole that makes people decry so-called "cancel culture". Try to have some common sense. Two people can behave badly without them being remotely the same. I think Draymond made a mistake while Trump is consciously trying to subvert democracy and create a violent fascist social movement. Why in the world would you think it's at all appropriate to mention them in the same breath?

I think the difference between me and you and many of the people condemning Draymond is that I have a strong sense of compassion and empathy and strive to have love for all my fellow human beings. Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt because everyone I've heard that knows him personally describes him as a good person. Nobody here knows him personally, your opinions are only the product of media hype and an estrangement from your own humanity. So many cynical pathetic, pitiful individuals here.

This is an apt comparison. Two people with clear personality disorders that common people hold with esteem, when the appropriate response would be to shame them. People keep enabling monsters free reign, and reward them with celebrity and power. This day and age, can only hope that people start holding them accountable. Personality disorders don't reside in one group and one group alone, we see it everywhere now.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Substitute 5th Avenue for Market Street, voters for fans and this clown's picture for Draymond's picture. Some people are like cats on steroids...They've got limitless batches of nine lives.

I find it hard to believe you think Trump is a fair comparison to Draymond. Billionaire landlord Trump, son of a millionaire landlord, grandson of a whorehouse pimp, leader of an anti-democratic and fascist cult is similar to Draymond how?

It's this kind of ridiculous hyperbole that makes people decry so-called "cancel culture". Try to have some common sense. Two people can behave badly without them being remotely the same. I think Draymond made a mistake while Trump is consciously trying to subvert democracy and create a violent fascist social movement. Why in the world would you think it's at all appropriate to mention them in the same breath?

I think the difference between me and you and many of the people condemning Draymond is that I have a strong sense of compassion and empathy and strive to have love for all my fellow human beings. Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt because everyone I've heard that knows him personally describes him as a good person. Nobody here knows him personally, your opinions are only the product of media hype and an estrangement from your own humanity. So many cynical pathetic, pitiful individuals here.

This is an apt comparison. Two people with clear personality disorders that common people hold with esteem, when the appropriate response would be to shame them. People keep enabling monsters free reign, and reward them with celebrity and power. This day and age, can only hope that people start holding them accountable. Personality disorders don't reside in one group and one group alone, we see it everywhere now.

So you think Draymond and Trump are psychologically analogous despite having met neither, let alone sat down with them to analyze them even if you were a psychologist?

Not to mention, judging people by their perceived psychology rather than their actions is deeply unprincipled.

This sort of right-wing subjectivity is exactly what is so backward and reprehensible about this "day and age".

Everything you know about the personality disorders of celebrities you learned from the tabloids.

[Old_Blue]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

[azwfan]

I suppose folks need something to talk about. This looks like quite a reach though.

All apology videos are for PR purposes. I thought this was evident to everyone by now, but I suppose I should recognize this may be some folks' first rodeo.

The real apology was in person to Poole / teammates / staff / etc.

[Old_Blue]

I suppose folks need something to talk about. This looks like quite a reach though.

All apology videos are for PR purposes. I thought this was evident to everyone by now, but I suppose I should recognize this may be some folks' first rodeo.

The real apology was in person to Poole / teammates / staff / etc.

And what do you make of Poole's reaction to that apology, as described by Draymond during his press conference...

“I think my apology was accepted pretty well from the team. At least that’s what I was told. As far as how it was accepted from Jordan, I don’t know how it was accepted. I didn’t get much from Jordan on Thursday, nor did I expect to."

[azwfan]

I suppose folks need something to talk about. This looks like quite a reach though.

All apology videos are for PR purposes. I thought this was evident to everyone by now, but I suppose I should recognize this may be some folks' first rodeo.

The real apology was in person to Poole / teammates / staff / etc.

And what do you make of Poole's reaction to that apology, as described by Draymond during his press conference...

“I think my apology was accepted pretty well from the team. At least that’s what I was told. As far as how it was accepted from Jordan, I don’t know how it was accepted. I didn’t get much from Jordan on Thursday, nor did I expect to."

To be clear, you're asking for my opinion on Poole's reaction to Draymond's apology (which we weren't privy to), as explained by Draymond at a press conference - which may or may not be true / accurate.
What do I make of it?

For all we know this is not the first time Draymond has thrown blows with a teammate (does anyone really think this is the first time?). For all we know the teammates most pissed at Draymond are Curry and Klay. We don't know squat about what's going on in the locker room, and the Warriors don't seem especially intent on sharing - nor should they. The long term effect will be known in time.

[Old_Blue]

I suppose folks need something to talk about. This looks like quite a reach though.

All apology videos are for PR purposes. I thought this was evident to everyone by now, but I suppose I should recognize this may be some folks' first rodeo.

The real apology was in person to Poole / teammates / staff / etc.

And what do you make of Poole's reaction to that apology, as described by Draymond during his press conference...

“I think my apology was accepted pretty well from the team. At least that’s what I was told. As far as how it was accepted from Jordan, I don’t know how it was accepted. I didn’t get much from Jordan on Thursday, nor did I expect to."

To be clear, you're asking for my opinion on Poole's reaction to Draymond's apology (which we weren't privy to), as explained by Draymond at a press conference - which may or may not be true / accurate.
What do I make of it?

For all we know this is not the first time Draymond has thrown blows with a teammate (does anyone really think this is the first time?). For all we know the teammates most pissed at Draymond are Curry and Klay. We don't know squat about what's going on in the locker room, and the Warriors don't seem especially intent on sharing - nor should they. The long term effect will be known in time.

Sorry. I could have made that more clear. What I was getting at was that, based on Draymond's statement, Poole "didn't give him much" (which I interpreted to mean Jordan didn't say much to Draymond during or following his apology). That didn't strike me as promising of a quick reconciliation, which in turn leaves me thinking a contract extension with Poole within the next week might now be beyond reach.

[azwfan]

And what do you make of Poole's reaction to that apology, as described by Draymond during his press conference...

“I think my apology was accepted pretty well from the team. At least that’s what I was told. As far as how it was accepted from Jordan, I don’t know how it was accepted. I didn’t get much from Jordan on Thursday, nor did I expect to."

To be clear, you're asking for my opinion on Poole's reaction to Draymond's apology (which we weren't privy to), as explained by Draymond at a press conference - which may or may not be true / accurate.
What do I make of it?

For all we know this is not the first time Draymond has thrown blows with a teammate (does anyone really think this is the first time?). For all we know the teammates most pissed at Draymond are Curry and Klay. We don't know squat about what's going on in the locker room, and the Warriors don't seem especially intent on sharing - nor should they. The long term effect will be known in time.

Sorry. I could have made that more clear. What I was getting at was that, based on Draymond's statement, Poole "didn't give him much" (which I interpreted to mean Jordan didn't say much to Draymond). That didn't strike me as promising of a quick reconciliation, which in turn leaves me thinking a contract extension with Poole within the next week might now be beyond reach.

I think that's one way to read into it... another would be that Draymond, already on thin ice, did not want to speak for Poole.
I would not expect a quick reconciliation (if any). Not sure how that effects play on the court, if at all.

That said, I doubt reconciliation with Draymond would be a high priority when talking contract extension, but I could be wrong. I think more heavily impacting Poole's extension is how highly he values immediate financial security. I'm guessing the Warriors are trying to get him for sub $30m/yr and he wants $30m+/yr. Money talks, and you know the rest of the saying.

[Coxy]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

If this is what happened, then these 2 are both idiots and Draymond needs professional help and a forced holiday.