ImageImageImageImageImage

Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

Moderators: Chris Porter's Hair, floppymoose, Sleepy51

User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 22,953
And1: 6,941
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#401 » by Onus » Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:15 pm

Think the last place for him is the heat. Wonder how Davion signing with the heat changes what they can take back now. Nets have bowed out, think the kings have and now with this trade Chicago may as well.

Don’t think he’s getting what naz got so he’s looking at 25 or less per year.

Barry Jackson saying there is no active pursuit of jk. Jk might be getting less than 20 per year.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 22,953
And1: 6,941
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#402 » by Onus » Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:46 pm

Lmao Siegel saying jk is looking for 30+ per year. This is going to be a long rfa and we’ll most likely only be looking at vet mins in the meantime.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
Crazy-Canuck
RealGM
Posts: 29,172
And1: 7,316
Joined: Nov 24, 2003

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#403 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:25 am

Jk looking for a minimum 30M/year. At least he lowered his stance by 5M since last offseason. Not sure anyone is going to give him what he's looking for.
statsman
Analyst
Posts: 3,437
And1: 523
Joined: Aug 20, 2006

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#404 » by statsman » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:31 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Jk looking for a minimum 30M/year. At least he lowered his stance by 5M since last offseason. Not sure anyone is going to give him what he's looking for.

I don't see it either, but we've seen stranger things. Some teams have gone very quiet on the Kuminga front. It could be they really aren't interested, or they are bluffing their positions.

I'm sure some teams, including the Warriors, would like a "bargain" on Kuminga, say 3/60 or 4/80. But I bet Lacob won't let it get that low.
Crazy-Canuck
RealGM
Posts: 29,172
And1: 7,316
Joined: Nov 24, 2003

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#405 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:39 am

statsman wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Jk looking for a minimum 30M/year. At least he lowered his stance by 5M since last offseason. Not sure anyone is going to give him what he's looking for.

I don't see it either, but we've seen stranger things. Some teams have gone very quiet on the Kuminga front. It could be they really aren't interested, or they are bluffing their positions.

I'm sure some teams, including the Warriors, would like a "bargain" on Kuminga, say 3/60 or 4/80. But I bet Lacob won't let it get that low.


I think itll be the heat or no one. Their fans love him, I've read 22-8-lockdown defender and will develop his 3 ball in Miami. Sounds like a great player.
User avatar
cpower
RealGM
Posts: 20,707
And1: 8,515
Joined: Mar 03, 2011
   

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#406 » by cpower » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:42 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
statsman wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Jk looking for a minimum 30M/year. At least he lowered his stance by 5M since last offseason. Not sure anyone is going to give him what he's looking for.

I don't see it either, but we've seen stranger things. Some teams have gone very quiet on the Kuminga front. It could be they really aren't interested, or they are bluffing their positions.

I'm sure some teams, including the Warriors, would like a "bargain" on Kuminga, say 3/60 or 4/80. But I bet Lacob won't let it get that low.


I think itll be the heat or no one. Their fans love him, I've read 22-8-lockdown defender and will develop his 3 ball in Miami. Sounds like a great player.

we are not interested in anyone from heat. they can flip Wiggins to a 3rd team and add a FRP, otherwise might as well let him walk.
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 22,953
And1: 6,941
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#407 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:44 am

My prediction is he’s coming back to gsw at 20m per year or less. Reports that the kings aren’t that interested. Chicago is out now with okoro and Miami is not actively pursuing jk. Nets are looking to take on bad contracts for assets. There’s no suitors for jk. It’ll likely be a drawn out summer for him.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
Crazy-Canuck
RealGM
Posts: 29,172
And1: 7,316
Joined: Nov 24, 2003

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#408 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Jun 29, 2025 2:58 am

Or the they will give him his 30M to use as a contract to be flipped at the deadline much like the dlo deal.

If steph, Jimmy, and dray are untouchable, they will need another big contract to go big fish hunting at the deadline.
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 22,953
And1: 6,941
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#409 » by Onus » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:08 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Or the they will give him his 30M to use as a contract to be flipped at the deadline much like the dlo deal.

If steph, Jimmy, and dray are untouchable, they will need another big contract to go big fish hunting at the deadline.

No one wants him now at a reduced cost. Who is going to want him at 30M per year?
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
azwfan
RealGM
Posts: 15,438
And1: 3,826
Joined: May 21, 2004
     

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#410 » by azwfan » Sun Jun 29, 2025 3:32 am

Can the dubs even sign him to 30m/yr and still use the tpmle? They would have to be awfully close to the 2nd apron if after giving him 30m.
LF75 wrote: It was a dumb idea..And yes I'm a dick.
User avatar
Senchu
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,901
And1: 424
Joined: Sep 03, 2009

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#411 » by Senchu » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:06 am

Question is if Kuminga re-signed at 15-20m contract while expecting 30m will be good value to trade next season assuming he pouts about the role.
Onlytimewilltel
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,951
And1: 4,617
Joined: Oct 21, 2020

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#412 » by Onlytimewilltel » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:09 pm

Onus wrote:Lmao Siegel saying jk is looking for 30+ per year. This is going to be a long rfa and we’ll most likely only be looking at vet mins in the meantime.


there's no way he's looking for a vet minimum
User avatar
whatisacenter
RealGM
Posts: 12,908
And1: 15,066
Joined: Aug 05, 2013
 

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#413 » by whatisacenter » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:23 pm

Onlytimewilltel wrote:
Onus wrote:Lmao Siegel saying jk is looking for 30+ per year. This is going to be a long rfa and we’ll most likely only be looking at vet mins in the meantime.


there's no way he's looking for a vet minimum


Pretty sure he was referring to the front office looking at adding free agents on vet min contracts while waiting for the JK saga to unfold.
Madvillain been as high as Kathmandu
And tilted to the side like that fat man's shoe
Onlytimewilltel
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,951
And1: 4,617
Joined: Oct 21, 2020

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#414 » by Onlytimewilltel » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:26 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Onlytimewilltel wrote:
Onus wrote:Lmao Siegel saying jk is looking for 30+ per year. This is going to be a long rfa and we’ll most likely only be looking at vet mins in the meantime.


there's no way he's looking for a vet minimum


Pretty sure he was referring to the front office looking at adding free agents on vet min contracts while waiting for the JK saga to unfold.


oh, my fault
bay2hk
Rookie
Posts: 1,076
And1: 98
Joined: Jan 17, 2007

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#415 » by bay2hk » Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:53 pm

Warriors should play hard ball with JK and give him a deadline on July 6th to accept Warriors’ contract extension (e.g 3 years / $60m with PO in 3rd year). If he doesn’t accept then pull the offer off the table, and let other teams make an offer. Doubt he’ll get more than the NTMLE once FA starts. If no FA interest then JK will be stuck with either signing the QO or the NTMLE from another team (which we’ll match).

Let’s just hope JK doesn’t pull a Patrick McCaw and holdout past the season starts.
azwfan
RealGM
Posts: 15,438
And1: 3,826
Joined: May 21, 2004
     

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#416 » by azwfan » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:35 pm

bay2hk wrote:Warriors should play hard ball with JK and give him a deadline on July 6th to accept Warriors’ contract extension (e.g 3 years / $60m with PO in 3rd year). If he doesn’t accept then pull the offer off the table, and let other teams make an offer. Doubt he’ll get more than the NTMLE once FA starts. If no FA interest then JK will be stuck with either signing the QO or the NTMLE from another team (which we’ll match).

Let’s just hope JK doesn’t pull a Patrick McCaw and holdout past the season starts.

The whole reason for extending the QO to him in the first place is to get something for him in a S&T. Pulling the QO is not a threat to JK in the slightest. Holding the QO over his head is one of two things GSW actually has going for them in this situation. The QO is not a benefit to Jk, its a benefit to the Warriors.
LF75 wrote: It was a dumb idea..And yes I'm a dick.
statsman
Analyst
Posts: 3,437
And1: 523
Joined: Aug 20, 2006

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#417 » by statsman » Sun Jun 29, 2025 7:42 pm

azwfan wrote:
bay2hk wrote:Warriors should play hard ball with JK and give him a deadline on July 6th to accept Warriors’ contract extension (e.g 3 years / $60m with PO in 3rd year). If he doesn’t accept then pull the offer off the table, and let other teams make an offer. Doubt he’ll get more than the NTMLE once FA starts. If no FA interest then JK will be stuck with either signing the QO or the NTMLE from another team (which we’ll match).
Let’s just hope JK doesn’t pull a Patrick McCaw and holdout past the season starts.

The whole reason for extending the QO to him in the first place is to get something for him in a S&T. Pulling the QO is not a threat to JK in the slightest. Holding the QO over his head is one of two things GSW actually has going for them in this situation. The QO is not a benefit to Jk, its a benefit to the Warriors.

I think the offer suggested to be pulled is the hypothetical 2+1/$60M offer.
azwfan
RealGM
Posts: 15,438
And1: 3,826
Joined: May 21, 2004
     

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#418 » by azwfan » Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:47 pm

statsman wrote:
azwfan wrote:
bay2hk wrote:Warriors should play hard ball with JK and give him a deadline on July 6th to accept Warriors’ contract extension (e.g 3 years / $60m with PO in 3rd year). If he doesn’t accept then pull the offer off the table, and let other teams make an offer. Doubt he’ll get more than the NTMLE once FA starts. If no FA interest then JK will be stuck with either signing the QO or the NTMLE from another team (which we’ll match).
Let’s just hope JK doesn’t pull a Patrick McCaw and holdout past the season starts.

The whole reason for extending the QO to him in the first place is to get something for him in a S&T. Pulling the QO is not a threat to JK in the slightest. Holding the QO over his head is one of two things GSW actually has going for them in this situation. The QO is not a benefit to Jk, its a benefit to the Warriors.

I think the offer suggested to be pulled is the hypothetical 2+1/$60M offer.

Ah, my bad. Misread and started ranting. LOL Thanks!
Now that I understand the original post, I will say that if they are thinking of reasonably having JK in the locker room (even if just till the trade deadline) they should be careful not to alienate him. If pulling it is not a negotiation strategy and instead a real desire to move on, then its fine. They have only a few more years of Steph left. Steph has already wasted a few years by getting injured, Draymond a few years by choking and punching, and last thing they need is another distraction. I think a better tactic would be to pay him more than he can get in the market (as long as it doesn't put us into the 2nd apron) and leaving the offer there for him. If he's in the locker room I think they'd want a determined JK, not a pissed off / pouting JK. Never know what effect contract negotiations will have on him.

My old employer played hardball with me in salary negotiations and I eventually left cause... "f them". At least they got a few more months of production from me at that lower rate. Course now they struggling trying to find a replacement to do 4 ppl's job for that rate. :lol: 8-) :naaa: :wave:
LF75 wrote: It was a dumb idea..And yes I'm a dick.
HiRez
RealGM
Posts: 14,790
And1: 4,038
Joined: Dec 29, 2011

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#419 » by HiRez » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:50 pm

I can't believe he hasn't fired his agent yet. But ultimately, it's on him, and he really screwed himself. He could be sitting here with a nice, fat, 5-year contract for $25M-$30M per year, which would almost certainly outlive Steph, Draymond, and Kerr, leaving him as one of the top dogs if not the top on a premiere NBA franchise, with plenty of playing time to get him to the next level on a new contract.
AirP.
RealGM
Posts: 36,881
And1: 32,126
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#420 » by AirP. » Sun Jun 29, 2025 10:56 pm

Nice to see JK work on PnR reads and looking for the skip to the weak-side corner to counter the tag.

However, if it’s the Warriors we’re talking about, these opportunities to run the PnR won’t be abundant for him for several reasons, including but not limited to:

1. Warriors aren’t a high-volume PnR team. Highly doubtful they’ll turn into one in order to accommodate JK.

2. When they do run PnR, it’s with either Steph or Jimmy handling the ball.

3. JK will need to prove that his handle has improved in order to maintain the dribble in the pocket.

4. Making reads in a controlled environment ≠ making reads in NBA speed against NBA caliber defenders.

1-2 is a function of team dynamics and will be hard to control for him. However, 3-4 are things he can improve in an environment that allows him to work on those without necessarily having the pressure to rack up wins or impact winning. If he wants to be a featured player, it would be difficult for him to do that with the Dubs.

Read on Twitter

Return to Golden State Warriors