2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[cdubbz]

For what it’s worth Rashad Phillips (Player evaluators, has podcast with Perkins etc) has tweeted that he believes Doc Rivers will trade Ben Simmons to the Wolves for the #1 pick (Lamelo Ball)

Rashad isn’t a bad talent evaluator but loves to make predictions lol

[Scoots1994]

Just for fun....how did THIS guy slip to the Warriors last year when looking at his college highlights???

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The Warriors were thrilled too.

Supposedly the Warriors have been working on him to shoot with his legs more, they think that's his biggest offensive weakness.

[Little Digger]

For what it’s worth Rashad Phillips (Player evaluators, has podcast with Perkins etc) has tweeted that he believes Doc Rivers will trade Ben Simmons to the Wolves for the #1 pick (Lamelo Ball)

Rashad isn’t a bad talent evaluator but loves to make predictions lol

But that trade does make sense..

[Mylie10]

Not to me. I think Doc thinks he can make it work. And Simmons is a defensive player of the year type. Doc loves D, lol

Unless Doc saw so many Chino Hills games and thinks Lamelo will be the next Austin Rivers

[Warriors Analyst]

For what it’s worth Rashad Phillips (Player evaluators, has podcast with Perkins etc) has tweeted that he believes Doc Rivers will trade Ben Simmons to the Wolves for the #1 pick (Lamelo Ball)

Rashad isn’t a bad talent evaluator but loves to make predictions lol

Phillips is a moron. His predictions never pan out and he's a garbage talent evaluator. He legendarily recommended teams draft Luka 15-26 and said anyone that picked him top 5 would get fired. Phillips is a Twitter personality who is desperately trying to make a name for himself in the NBA world. Nothing more.

[Mylie10]

This is from Sam Vecenie today. Note the latest comments from his Miami workouts.


“Sam Vecenie latest big board article:

I’ve moved Wiseman to No. 2. Obviously, his placement at No. 2 would seemingly go against a lot of what I stated above. So why is he so high? Again, it comes down to star power for me. While Wiseman isn’t necessarily the shot creator that some of the names above are, I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point. His size and length at 7-foot-1 with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-6 wingspan gives him ideal size, and his strength improvement has allowed him to make genuine strides absorbing contact. Additionally, having talked to sources (both players and trainers) who have seen him working out in Miami, there is genuine buzz that he looks phenomenal (and this isn’t coming from players or agents who are repped by Wiseman’s Excel agency, either).

Beyond that, I don’t think Wiseman really hinders you from a team-building perspective, either. Offensively, his game is a fit in the modern NBA if the jumper keeps coming along (something I have faith in). He can rim run with ease, with the ability to high-point the ball over even most NBA centers due to his leaping and length. And I think at some point he will be a pick-and-pop or trailer 3-pointer threat in transition. Throw in that he’s regarded to be a very intelligent kid who takes coaching extremely well, and I’ll buy into Wiseman figuring out how to be a high-level center on both ends of the floor.”

[ShayDee]

This is from Sam Vecenie today. Note the latest comments from his Miami workouts.


“Sam Vecenie latest big board article:

I’ve moved Wiseman to No. 2. Obviously, his placement at No. 2 would seemingly go against a lot of what I stated above. So why is he so high? Again, it comes down to star power for me. While Wiseman isn’t necessarily the shot creator that some of the names above are, I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point. His size and length at 7-foot-1 with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-6 wingspan gives him ideal size, and his strength improvement has allowed him to make genuine strides absorbing contact. Additionally, having talked to sources (both players and trainers) who have seen him working out in Miami, there is genuine buzz that he looks phenomenal (and this isn’t coming from players or agents who are repped by Wiseman’s Excel agency, either).

Beyond that, I don’t think Wiseman really hinders you from a team-building perspective, either. Offensively, his game is a fit in the modern NBA if the jumper keeps coming along (something I have faith in). He can rim run with ease, with the ability to high-point the ball over even most NBA centers due to his leaping and length. And I think at some point he will be a pick-and-pop or trailer 3-pointer threat in transition. Throw in that he’s regarded to be a very intelligent kid who takes coaching extremely well, and I’ll buy into Wiseman figuring out how to be a high-level center on both ends of the floor.”

Shhhh don't tell them. They won't listen

[jason bourne]

Here’s a video of Woj and Schmidt. I like both guys and trust most of their opinions. Paul Pierce also drops a small bomb at the end of the video in regards to passing on Wiseman.

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At least, you know that Wiseman quit on his team before his suspension was up.

Your video is outdated. This was early on when Wiseman held the top spot. I'm going say it came out after Wiseman decided to leave Memphis, Dec 19, 2019 (again, before his suspension was up), and that it was already shot.

Next, came reports that Warriors weren't interested in Wiseman or LaMelo from Connor Latourneau.

More recently, Mike Schmitz came out as LaMelo being the most talented and advised the TWolves to take him at #1. Now, it appears the TWolves want to get in on the trading action. Thus, I was right about LaMelo. That leaves Anthony Edwards for the Warriors and I think they take him. It will take some kind of trade for them to move off of him. The only way the Ws take LaMelo is if the TWolves change their mind again and he falls. Would the Warriors pull the trigger on a deal before the draft? I think it depends now. As for Wiseman, he prolly goes to the Hornets at #3.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I've broken down his game a couple posts back, and say he will give a physical presence in the paint due to his sheer size and frame. Other than being to shoot mid-range jumpers and potentially outside the arc, he definitely is a work-in-progress type player who's offensive game is behind (Particularly, back-to-the-basket, face-up game, and passing in general from the top of the key and down on the block/paint).

I guess what some people are saying is that his defensive ability and presence is enough and any other added skill is a bonus over time. But, isn't this league currently a perimeter-oriented game? It's going to trend this way for awhile, so just expect him to be sitting out when other teams decide to go small since he has NO perimeter game, defensively (Don't think he ever will, tbh).

[jason bourne]

This is from Sam Vecenie today. Note the latest comments from his Miami workouts.


“Sam Vecenie latest big board article:

I’ve moved Wiseman to No. 2. Obviously, his placement at No. 2 would seemingly go against a lot of what I stated above. So why is he so high? Again, it comes down to star power for me. While Wiseman isn’t necessarily the shot creator that some of the names above are, I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point. His size and length at 7-foot-1 with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-6 wingspan gives him ideal size, and his strength improvement has allowed him to make genuine strides absorbing contact. Additionally, having talked to sources (both players and trainers) who have seen him working out in Miami, there is genuine buzz that he looks phenomenal (and this isn’t coming from players or agents who are repped by Wiseman’s Excel agency, either).

Beyond that, I don’t think Wiseman really hinders you from a team-building perspective, either. Offensively, his game is a fit in the modern NBA if the jumper keeps coming along (something I have faith in). He can rim run with ease, with the ability to high-point the ball over even most NBA centers due to his leaping and length. And I think at some point he will be a pick-and-pop or trailer 3-pointer threat in transition. Throw in that he’s regarded to be a very intelligent kid who takes coaching extremely well, and I’ll buy into Wiseman figuring out how to be a high-level center on both ends of the floor.”

This sounds even more wack to me because he says, "I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point." Wiseman hasn't really shown he wants to play D over getting his shots inside. Did he play D so that Memphis had a chance to win? Not in the Oregon game. I think he's going solely by being impressed with Wiseman's measurements, but Wiseman is not the David Robinson type player.

[jason bourne]

Wiseman should not have quit on Memphis. They turned out to be a winning team and would have been a nice showcase for Wiseman's skills -- https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/235/memphis-tigers. Who knows? They might've won practically all their games with Wiseman. Then, you could convince me of taking him at #2, i.e. he's more than what Hassan Whiteside is now and willing to play D sacrificing his O game.

[ShayDee]

Deni to me has high end role player potential. I don't know if he is worth the #2 pick, not for a role player or a back up just putting up 14 or so points at his peak. They say his shot has improved, well every single prospect that has been working has also improved their shot, that vid shouldn't hype up anyone. I will still say that this is all recency bias on Deni because he got to play while everyone else hasn't. Before he got back playing he was around 5-7 on most boards, everyone was complaining about his euro league stats and not getting minutes and also complaining about his inconsistent shooting, no star potential and awful free throw shooting but now he is jumping up after 2 months? Really?

While every other prospects negatives are still highlighted on and on again without anyone caring to look at context. The FO might not regret their decision now or in a year, and I get that they want less uncertainty given the tight window we have but this screams so much like a Doncic/Bagley situation to me. I have categorized some prospects I believe their potential would be

Star/Allstar
Ball, Edwards, Wiseman, Okoro, Toppin, Nesmith, Cole Anthony, Jahm'ius Ramsey, Oturu, Jaden McDaniels,

All defense
Okoro, Wiseman, Precious, Onyeka, Vassell, Pat Will, Tyler Bey, Jahmi'us Ramsey, Paul Reed, Ashton Hagans, Malachi Flynn, Ty-Shon Alexander, Tre Jones, Devon Dotson, Nate Hinton

3point champ/Specialist
Nesmith, Bey, Tyrell Terry, Bane, Winston, Nwora, Quickley, Isaiah Joe, Sam Merrill, Nate Darling, Justinian Jessup, Payton Pritchard, Tyrese Haliburton (catch and shoot), Markus Howard, Tyler Hagedorn, Malik Fitts

Stretch 5s
Wiseman, Jalen Smith, Toppin, Pokusevski, Vernon Carey, Oturu, Reggie Perry, Tillie, Tyler Hagedorn, Kaleb Wesson, Yoeli Childs

A small update of this list

Star/Allstar
Okoro(Needs to become way better offensively, like shooting off the dribble if not he won't make it here)
Deni(I have added him here but in order to take the leap he will have to do the same as Okoro, I just don't know if he has that sort of work ethic, He will most likely spend summers improving his FT and catch and shoot 3, He might never improve ball handling/shooting off dribble)
Killian Hayes(Needs to be more confident and up his volume of shots, then he will reach allstar like DLO)

All defense
Jahmi'us Ramsey(He needs to lock in, has all the tools to be a super disruptive defender, super strong, long arms, athletic. If he is super focused, He can be a defender like Okoro)
Trevelin Queen(Maybe some people have seen me mention him. He is a sleeper in this draft, not many know about him. He is very very good. Can shoot very well both off movement and off catch and transition, handle the ball , pass, defend especially very well, Very good anticipation of passing lanes, high STL%, he is 6'6" with 6'6 wing span)

3point champ/Specialist
Nico Mannion(He is better than his % indicate, He is almost an elite movement shooter, maybe the workload caused efficiency to drop?)
Cole Anthony(In terms of shooting, he is good, I'm just not sure if he is elite)
Trevelin Queen (Will be very good at open 3s and transition 3s, can probably run screen Klay plays for him) He worked Very very hard to get where he is. People might not understand, but that sort of work ethic should not be ignored. Same kind of work ethic that made Toppin jump to top 10 pick, same that will get Christian Wood paid this offseason. Same that made Jimmy Butler who he is.

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Stretch 5s
Wiseman ( He will be the best player in this draft, nothing more to be said. His work ethic, combined with his current skill will make him able to be a stretch big at AD level)

[jason bourne]

Shhhh don't tell them. They won't listen

I moved Wiseman to #3 now. It sounds like you're the one not listening on LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards. I think LaMelo will go #1 now or be the best trade candidate. Them the Ws take AntMan as the best player in the draft and keeper. Never mind. You already made up your mind about Wiseman and won't listen.

>>Stretch 5s
Wiseman ( He will be the best player in this draft, nothing more to be said. His work ethic, combined with his current skill will make him able to be a stretch big at AD level)<<

This is just plain BS of having a stretch 5. You're entitled to your opinion on the rest haha.

[TB]

This is from Sam Vecenie today. Note the latest comments from his Miami workouts.


“Sam Vecenie latest big board article:

I’ve moved Wiseman to No. 2. Obviously, his placement at No. 2 would seemingly go against a lot of what I stated above. So why is he so high? Again, it comes down to star power for me. While Wiseman isn’t necessarily the shot creator that some of the names above are, I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point. His size and length at 7-foot-1 with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-6 wingspan gives him ideal size, and his strength improvement has allowed him to make genuine strides absorbing contact. Additionally, having talked to sources (both players and trainers) who have seen him working out in Miami, there is genuine buzz that he looks phenomenal (and this isn’t coming from players or agents who are repped by Wiseman’s Excel agency, either).

Beyond that, I don’t think Wiseman really hinders you from a team-building perspective, either. Offensively, his game is a fit in the modern NBA if the jumper keeps coming along (something I have faith in). He can rim run with ease, with the ability to high-point the ball over even most NBA centers due to his leaping and length. And I think at some point he will be a pick-and-pop or trailer 3-pointer threat in transition. Throw in that he’s regarded to be a very intelligent kid who takes coaching extremely well, and I’ll buy into Wiseman figuring out how to be a high-level center on both ends of the floor.”

This sounds even more wack to me because he says, "I do think he is a genuine potential defensive player of the year candidate at some point." Wiseman hasn't really shown he wants to play D over getting his shots inside. Did he play D so that Memphis had a chance to win? Not in the Oregon game. I think he's going solely by being impressed with Wiseman's measurements, but Wiseman is not the David Robinson type player.

Wiseman was in foul trouble for the Oregon game. In the 22 minutes he played he had the highest Offensive Rating on the team at 120, and the lowest Defensive Rating on the team at 100. He was a winning player on both ends of the court in that game, even if it was his "worst" of the 3 games he played.

[ShayDee]

Shhhh don't tell them. They won't listen

I moved Wiseman to #3 now. It sounds like you're the one not listening on LaMelo Ball and Anthony Edwards. I think LaMelo will go #1 now or be the best trade candidate. Them the Ws take AntMan as the best player in the draft and keeper. Never mind. You already made up your mind about Wiseman and won't listen.

>>Stretch 5s
Wiseman ( He will be the best player in this draft, nothing more to be said. His work ethic, combined with his current skill will make him able to be a stretch big at AD level)<<

This is just plain BS of having a stretch 5. You're entitled to your opinion on the rest haha.

I did say Ball and Edwards have allstar/star potential? I'm just saying Wiseman will be the best player in the draft bro

Read the quoted post. I just elaborated on a few prospects with the new post

[jason bourne]

Wiseman was in foul trouble for the Oregon game. In the 22 minutes he played he had the highest Offensive Rating on the team at 120, and the lowest Defensive Rating on the team at 100. He was a winning player on both ends of the court in that game, even if it was his "worst" of the 3 games he played.

Foul trouble? Winning player? That sounds like making up excuses because we only have 3 games to judge.

A DPOY candidate shouldn't be in foul trouble against one of the toughest teams on their schedule. Had Wiseman not quit (huge red flag!), then he might've been able to show his D. He can block shots, but that doesn't make him a perimeter defender nor someone who can defend the paint. Wiseman doesn't have the speed and quickness that David Robinson had. He's more a spacer type and rim runner on offense. He's a help defender on defense. I think he can develop his perimeter shooting, but will never be a perimeter defender due to lack of quickness and speed. I doubt he has it in him to want to defend the paint using muscle and getting banged aorund. The guy would need desire to become a nice defender, but I don't think he has it in him because he quit.

Anyway, I think I said my piece here, so you guys can root for the Ws to pick him at #2. I'll be rooting for Anthony Edwards at #2 or grabbing LaMelo for trade to anther team. Like I said, I listened and moved Wiseman up to #3 from #8.

[TB]

Wiseman was in foul trouble for the Oregon game. In the 22 minutes he played he had the highest Offensive Rating on the team at 120, and the lowest Defensive Rating on the team at 100. He was a winning player on both ends of the court in that game, even if it was his "worst" of the 3 games he played.

Foul trouble? Winning player? That sounds like making up excuses because we only have 3 games to judge.

A DPOY candidate shouldn't be in foul trouble against one of the toughest teams on their schedule. Had Wiseman not quit (huge red flag!), then he might've been able to show his D. He can block shots, but that doesn't make him a perimeter defender nor someone who can defend the paint. Wiseman doesn't have the speed and quickness that David Robinson had. He's more a spacer type and rim runner on offense. He's a help defender on defense. I think he can develop his perimeter shooting, but will never be a perimeter defender due to lack of quickness and speed. I doubt he has it in him to want to defend the paint using muscle and getting banged aorund. The guy would need desire to become a nice defender, but I don't think he has it in him because he quit.

Anyway, I think I said my piece here, so you guys can root for the Ws to pick him at #2. I'll be rooting for Anthony Edwards at #2 or grabbing LaMelo for trade to anther team. Like I said, I listened and moved Wiseman up to #3 from #8.

I'm not sure what i'm rooting for at 2. Just saying he played good against Oregon. Also never had him anywhere near a David Robinson comp. I've got him as a smarter Whiteside with a work ethic, which i think is a really good player.

I'd say I probably have Wiseman, Poku, and Edwards as the 3 highest ceiling in the draft, so they would be my top 3. But I'm not sure who i'd take 2 (probably default to Wiseman even though I like Poku game more). This is why I prefer a trade back, in which case Poku would be the only one of the 3 still available.

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[cdubbz]

For what it’s worth Rashad Phillips (Player evaluators, has podcast with Perkins etc) has tweeted that he believes Doc Rivers will trade Ben Simmons to the Wolves for the #1 pick (Lamelo Ball)

Rashad isn’t a bad talent evaluator but loves to make predictions lol

Phillips is a moron. His predictions never pan out and he's a garbage talent evaluator. He legendarily recommended teams draft Luka 15-26 and said anyone that picked him top 5 would get fired. Phillips is a Twitter personality who is desperately trying to make a name for himself in the NBA world. Nothing more.

Phillips gets A LOT of hate for his Doncic evaluation. Called him an average player & said Alonzo Trier would have a better career etc.

He’s more than a twitter personality, but he definitely believes he’s an elite talent evaluator and pushes his right picks way too much.

Still follow him due to his HS & college career. He was a beast of a point guard in the Iverson small scoring guard era.

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