Draymond Green striking Jordan Poole at practice

[azwfan]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

If this is what happened, then these 2 are both idiots and Draymond needs professional help and a forced holiday.

If Poole is bragging about a contract extension, then sounds like this is gonna get done. Finally some good news!

[Coxy]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

If this is what happened, then these 2 are both idiots and Draymond needs professional help and a forced holiday.

If Poole is bragging about a contract extension, then sounds like this is gonna get done. Finally some good news!

Probably bad news actually, if we have given into ridiculous financial demands for a 6th man no defence shooter.

[GQ Hot Dog]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

So TMZ Sports says that Poole's "You know what it is, Draymond" is in reference to the contract situation? And we're just supposed to take their word for it? "You know" could be in reference to anything.

If it is in reference to money it's really poor form on Poole's part. All we ever hear from athletes is how talking about another player's money is off limits. Meanwhile everyone who was there, including Draymond, is denying it's about contract negotiations. If Poole was harping on and on about getting paid, as the tabloids have been insisting, wouldn't Steph or Iguodala be telling him how tacky it is and asking him to cut it out? It doesn't add up for me.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

I find it hard to believe you think Trump is a fair comparison to Draymond. Billionaire landlord Trump, son of a millionaire landlord, grandson of a whorehouse pimp, leader of an anti-democratic and fascist cult is similar to Draymond how?

It's this kind of ridiculous hyperbole that makes people decry so-called "cancel culture". Try to have some common sense. Two people can behave badly without them being remotely the same. I think Draymond made a mistake while Trump is consciously trying to subvert democracy and create a violent fascist social movement. Why in the world would you think it's at all appropriate to mention them in the same breath?

I think the difference between me and you and many of the people condemning Draymond is that I have a strong sense of compassion and empathy and strive to have love for all my fellow human beings. Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt because everyone I've heard that knows him personally describes him as a good person. Nobody here knows him personally, your opinions are only the product of media hype and an estrangement from your own humanity. So many cynical pathetic, pitiful individuals here.

This is an apt comparison. Two people with clear personality disorders that common people hold with esteem, when the appropriate response would be to shame them. People keep enabling monsters free reign, and reward them with celebrity and power. This day and age, can only hope that people start holding them accountable. Personality disorders don't reside in one group and one group alone, we see it everywhere now.

So you think Draymond and Trump are psychologically analogous despite having met neither, let alone sat down with them to analyze them even if you were a psychologist?

Not to mention, judging people by their perceived psychology rather than their actions is deeply unprincipled.

This sort of right-wing subjectivity is exactly what is so backward and reprehensible about this "day and age".

Everything you know about the personality disorders of celebrities you learned from the tabloids.

Are you upset that I belief trump to be a narcissist? Or that Green shares some cluster b traits? Pretty obvious in both cases that they have heightened self importance issues and can walk over people. A trait I do not think deserves adulation. Whats your take on my post? I was not the original poster just responding to it. If you want to keep the thought alive have a go at it. Bringing in a bunch of American one line slogans that mean little to me.

[DonaldSanders]

Are you upset that I belief trump to be a narcissist? Or that Green shares some cluster b traits? Pretty obvious in both cases that they have heightened self importance issues and can walk over people. A trait I do not think deserves adulation. Whats your take on my post? I was not the original poster just responding to it. If you want to keep the thought alive have a go at it. Bringing in a bunch of American one line slogans that mean little to me.

Trump is on a completely different level, having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Draymond is selfish but he can actually apologize, where I don't think you can find a single case of Trump actually apologizing. Trump would never say "I failed as a man" etc. -- and I get Draymond's apology could have been better, but Trump really could never be capable of making even 20% the apology Draymond made.

I have trouble saying Draymond has anything other than deep selfishness and immaturity, I don't see evidence of a cluster b disorder.

[michaelm]

This is an apt comparison. Two people with clear personality disorders that common people hold with esteem, when the appropriate response would be to shame them. People keep enabling monsters free reign, and reward them with celebrity and power. This day and age, can only hope that people start holding them accountable. Personality disorders don't reside in one group and one group alone, we see it everywhere now.

So you think Draymond and Trump are psychologically analogous despite having met neither, let alone sat down with them to analyze them even if you were a psychologist?

Not to mention, judging people by their perceived psychology rather than their actions is deeply unprincipled.

This sort of right-wing subjectivity is exactly what is so backward and reprehensible about this "day and age".

Everything you know about the personality disorders of celebrities you learned from the tabloids.

Are you upset that I belief trump to be a narcissist? Or that Green shares some cluster b traits? Pretty obvious in both cases that they have heightened self importance issues and can walk over people. A trait I do not think deserves adulation. Whats your take on my post? I was not the original poster just responding to it. If you want to keep the thought alive have a go at it. Bringing in a bunch of American one line slogans that mean little to me.

Cod psychology is not a scientific discipline.

That said this was idiotic and indefensible and a 32 year old man should have more self control.

[Upperclass]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

[Old_Blue]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

If this is what happened, then these 2 are both idiots and Draymond needs professional help and a forced holiday.

I interpreted Poole's calling fouls and then (after repeatedly being called a "bitch") telling Draymond "You know what it is, Draymond" to mean "I'm 10 days shy of a contract extension. I'd rather not get hurt before then." That's a reasonable request on Poole's part. Keep in mind that just a few days before, Klay had publicly acknowledged having concerns about playing during the summer due to the fact that his Achilles injury had occurred during a summer pick-up game.

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/klay-thompson-reveals-mental-block-stopping-him-from-japan-preseason-games

"I didn't play much this summer," Thompson said. "With what I went through the last summer, I was healthy, popping my Achilles, it was really hard for me to get out of it, mentally. It's hard to explain. It's a mental block or something.

Draymond knew where Poole was coming from. That's what makes Draymond's assault all the more galling. What's the saying "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

[Coxy]

I hadn't read this before. A little more context on what was going on prior to Draymond losing control...

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/draymond-green-repeatedly-called-jordan-poole-a-b-tch-for-calling-fouls-before-hitting-poole-in-the-face

Fast forward to Wednesday's practice. Our sources on site say Poole called several fouls during a scrimmage, and Draymond called him a "bitch" multiple times as a result.

Things escalated when Poole allegedly said, "You know what it is, Draymond." -- seemingly bragging over the contract situation -- and Draymond got in Poole's face, allegedly saying, "No I don't know, what is it?"

If that's all that Poole did and said, it still seems like a giant leap for Draymond to become quite so triggered.

If this is what happened, then these 2 are both idiots and Draymond needs professional help and a forced holiday.

I interpreted Poole's calling fouls and then (after repeatedly being called a "bitch") telling Draymond "You know what it is, Draymond" to mean "I'm 10 days shy of a contract extension. I'd rather not get hurt before then." That's a reasonable request on Poole's part. Keep in mind that just a few days before, Klay had publicly acknowledged having concerns about playing during the summer due to the fact that his Achilles injury had occurred during a summer pick-up game.

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/news/klay-thompson-reveals-mental-block-stopping-him-from-japan-preseason-games

"I didn't play much this summer," Thompson said. "With what I went through the last summer, I was healthy, popping my Achilles, it was really hard for me to get out of it, mentally. It's hard to explain. It's a mental block or something.

Draymond knew where Poole was coming from. That's what makes Draymond's assault all the more galling. What's the saying "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

These 2 have a bigger problem than just this exchange, if this is all that set them off. I don't know either of them, so I'm not commenting on specifics of an internal beef between 2 obviously very different personalities, but I would wager that Draymond has a serious issue with Jordan and what he is about. You don't explode and try to decapitate someone so aggressively if there hasn't been something building for a while. Draymond's BS apologies and more now are all for fluff, because his true feelings were seen in a swinging cheap shot.

[Big J]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

I hope he does. Draymond needs to be punished, and hitting his pocketbook would hurt him the most.

[michaelm]

I think Draymond deserves the benefit of the doubt. I think he is legit shaken up by this and truly wondering how he got to a place where he took out some personal turmoil on a friend he genuinely cares about and who is basically an innocent bystander. I think he crossed a line and shocked himself and will be forced to dig deep to figure out where this came from.

I think Draymond is a genuinely good and self aware person who can turn this incident into an opportunity for personal growth.

If this were Curry, Klay, or Loon that threw the punch, I would agree that they would deserve the benefit of the doubt since to my knowledge, none of them have ever come close to displaying such an outburst. I think Dray has a much deeper history of volatility than those three, thus I wouldn't give Dray the same benefit of the doubt.

The thing with Green though is that in all of his so called history of volatility he hasn’t significantly injured anyone, apart from Steve Adams for a few seconds after what I am sure was not deliberate contact, Steve Adams probably being the last guy you would deliberately target in the region of his gonads. The LeBron thing certainly was not an attempt to injure or even significantly strike him in the testicles or elsewhere.

So I think he retains some control as he probably did in this incident, which likely was not a serious attempt to break Poole’s jaw or concuss him despite what is being said by many, and a somewhat pulled punch. This perhaps makes it worse of course if anything, a 32 year old hitting people he considers to have impugned his manhood or whatever is ridiculous. I guess he thought he could get away with it given it was a practice incident, and that the prime icon of the sport had done something similar, ironically to Steve Kerr. Was the TMZ footage from someone’s mobile phone ?. If he knew the whole practice was being filmed it makes his action even more idiotic, although not any less or more reprehensible.

[Coxy]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

I hope he does. Draymond needs to be punished, and hitting his pocketbook would hurt him the most.

That would get really messy for everyone, not just Draymond.

[xdrta+]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

Sue him for what? Hurt feelings?

[Coxy]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

Sue him for what? Hurt feelings?

Not sure if you heard, but Draymond sucker punched Jordan in the face at his place of work and it was caught on camera. Google it.

[clyde21]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

would be shocked and it would be a bitch move by Poole. that's why he won't do it.

so weird that so many people are actually suggesting this. this should be addressed in house only.

lol @ involving the courts here. wtf?

[DonaldSanders]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

I hope he does. Draymond needs to be punished, and hitting his pocketbook would hurt him the most.

Poole doesn't look injured and there doesn't even appear to be scratched, so I doubt he could actually sue Draymond for much. Typically to get an award in a court, one has to prove damages. Poole would have to argue emotional distress from the altercation, and while his push was nothing in comparison, it's not like he didn't also have physical involvement. I'd actually be surprised if he could get much.

Furthermore, this type of thing would be very bad for the Warriors, so remember who you are rooting for. If you want Draymond gone just trade him, suing is basically a guarantee of one of the two being traded.

[Big J]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

would be shocked and it would be a bitch move by Poole. that's why he won't do it.

so weird that so many people are actually suggesting this. this should be addressed in house only.

lol @ involving the courts here. wtf?

It would have been fine to address this in house only, except for the fact that the whole world saw the video. Poole will look like a bitch to a lot of men if he does nothing.

[Old_Blue]

The thing with Green though is that in all of his so called history of volatility he hasn’t significantly injured anyone...

Hmmm...Maintaining continued proximity to someone or something with a history of volatility simply because they have not yet significantly injured anyone. I couldn't help but think back to Ming of Harlem:

https://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/23671/1/the-documentaries-exposing-new-york-s-weirdest

Back in 2003, a dude named Antoine Yates was living in an apartment in Harlem. He had somehow managed to keep hidden from other folks in the building the fact that he was keeping a 500 pound Bengal tiger (named Ming) in one room and a seven foot long alligator (named Al) in another room. This apparently copacetic coexistence had gone on for five years - until Antoine was outed when Ming attacked him and put Antoine in the hospital after Antoine attempted to prevent Ming from eating another pet - a small house cat named Shadow. Initially, Antoine said that he had been bitten by a pit bull. Hospital personnel, suspicious that Antoine's bite marks would have to have come from a pit bull the size of a refrigerator, notified the police. Even after being arrested, Yates refused to admit that anything was wrong with the arrangement. And why should he? Even Antoine's roommates (yes, somewhere along the way Antoine had apparently taken in roommates) thought nothing of living with a 500 pound tiger and seven foot long alligator. A woman who shared the apartment said "she was terrified at first - but soon got used to living with the man-eater down the hall. Caroline Domingo said "she couldn't believe her eyes when she spotted the big cat roaming free in the apartment where she and her husband rented a room from tiger-owner Antoine Yates. But eventually, she said...We all became family."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_of_Harlem

[Big J]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

I hope he does. Draymond needs to be punished, and hitting his pocketbook would hurt him the most.

Poole doesn't look injured and there doesn't even appear to be scratched, so I doubt he could actually sue Draymond for much. Typically to get an award in a court, one has to prove damages. Poole would have to argue emotional distress from the altercation, and while his push was nothing in comparison, it's not like he didn't also have physical involvement. I'd actually be surprised if he could get much.

Furthermore, this type of thing would be very bad for the Warriors, so remember who you are rooting for. If you want Draymond gone just trade him, suing is basically a guarantee of one of the two being traded.

Maybe that’s what Poole wants after all of the public ridicule he’s facing.

[DevinVassell]

I wouldnt be surprised if Poole sues Draymond tbh

would be shocked and it would be a bitch move by Poole. that's why he won't do it.

so weird that so many people are actually suggesting this. this should be addressed in house only.

lol @ involving the courts here. wtf?

It would have been fine to address this in house only, except for the fact that the whole world saw the video. Poole will look like a bitch to a lot of men if he does nothing.

Totally the opposite mate. You got it backwards.

The FO on the other hand by doing nothing....