Around the NBA V: Live and Let Die

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Yep. Too early to tell. One round at a time. We even haven't finished Denver yet.

[FNQ]

Who goes to another team's board to complain about their fans?

On another topic, Steven Adams now has a total of 31 minutes across the 4 games of MIN/MEM, despite the opposing team having an offense-only C. In those 31 minutes, he has 0 points (he hasnt taken a single FG), has 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 TO and 7 fouls.

In 3 games, Nemo has 44 minutes, 20 pts (8-14 FG, 57%) , 6 reb, 4 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, and 2 TOs... and half those minutes came against the reigning and likely repeating MVP

Shows you how grossly under used Adam’s is, against a Wolves team they should be spanking. We’d use him differently, and wouldn’t get outrebounded by wide margins. He’d make infinitely better.

Here's the other side of the Adams trade coin.

Suddenly Ja Morant's Memphis is MUCH less dangerous in the middle. The player that gave the Warriors the MOST trouble other than Ja? Jonas Valancianas. He's a complete upgrade for Pelican's and Memphis has lost a Warrior killer in that deal. Jonas dominated the Warriors in last years series.

Memphis without Jonas are much more gettable by the Warriors.

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

[floppymoose]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/here-are-preseason-nba-title-favorites-2021-22

Who are the betting favorites to win the NBA title in 2021-22?

Here are the title odds for all 30 teams this season:

Brooklyn Nets, +225
Los Angeles Lakers, +350
Milwaukee Bucks, +800
Golden State Warriors, +1000
Utah Jazz, +1400
Phoenix Suns, +1600
Los Angeles Clippers, +1800
Philadelphia 76ers, +1800
Denver Nuggets, +2000
Miami Heat, +2200
Dallas Mavericks, +3000
Atlanta Hawks, +3300
Boston Celtics, +4000
...

It was easy money.

[Impuniti]

Shows you how grossly under used Adam’s is, against a Wolves team they should be spanking. We’d use him differently, and wouldn’t get outrebounded by wide margins. He’d make infinitely better.

Here's the other side of the Adams trade coin.

Suddenly Ja Morant's Memphis is MUCH less dangerous in the middle. The player that gave the Warriors the MOST trouble other than Ja? Jonas Valancianas. He's a complete upgrade for Pelican's and Memphis has lost a Warrior killer in that deal. Jonas dominated the Warriors in last years series.

Memphis without Jonas are much more gettable by the Warriors.

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

Jokic is not hands down the best player in the league, stop saying with absolute certainty. Can't be the best player when you get turned into a ballerina and attacked defensively all series.

[Impuniti]

cupcake gets what he deserves.
Boston is the real deal, and i dont think we can beat them on full strength. their D is insane and Tatum is a superstar.

Way too early to talk about them, but they probably have the best defense in the PS this year. Their weakness is that if you slow down their team ball, they go into iso mode with different players taking turns and go on scoring droughts. Also interesting that they had issues in the 4th during RS and put on a clinic in the PS right after.

[ILOVEIT]

Shows you how grossly under used Adam’s is, against a Wolves team they should be spanking. We’d use him differently, and wouldn’t get outrebounded by wide margins. He’d make infinitely better.

Here's the other side of the Adams trade coin.

Suddenly Ja Morant's Memphis is MUCH less dangerous in the middle. The player that gave the Warriors the MOST trouble other than Ja? Jonas Valancianas. He's a complete upgrade for Pelican's and Memphis has lost a Warrior killer in that deal. Jonas dominated the Warriors in last years series.

Memphis without Jonas are much more gettable by the Warriors.

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

"and you are still talking about offense only options at C". ???

The essence of your responses...cherry pick a few things that knock the post. Offense only options at C? 16,15,16...Those are rebounds against the Warriors last year.

My post is that Memphis is less lethal with Adams than Jonas and your response is "Dude....the 90's centers don't matter".

You have made it to my ignore bucket! Congrats!

[FNQ]

Here's the other side of the Adams trade coin.

Suddenly Ja Morant's Memphis is MUCH less dangerous in the middle. The player that gave the Warriors the MOST trouble other than Ja? Jonas Valancianas. He's a complete upgrade for Pelican's and Memphis has lost a Warrior killer in that deal. Jonas dominated the Warriors in last years series.

Memphis without Jonas are much more gettable by the Warriors.

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

Jokic is not hands down the best player in the league, stop saying with absolute certainty. Can't be the best player when you get turned into a ballerina and attacked defensively all series.

Yes you can, he is, it’s not close.

Put any top star on a poor team in the playoffs and they would get attacked.

Of course that would be mitigated if they had a good perimeter defender in space, and that’s why they moved AG to the perimeter with much better results.

[FNQ]

Here's the other side of the Adams trade coin.

Suddenly Ja Morant's Memphis is MUCH less dangerous in the middle. The player that gave the Warriors the MOST trouble other than Ja? Jonas Valancianas. He's a complete upgrade for Pelican's and Memphis has lost a Warrior killer in that deal. Jonas dominated the Warriors in last years series.

Memphis without Jonas are much more gettable by the Warriors.

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

"and you are still talking about offense only options at C". ???

The essence of your responses...cherry pick a few things that knock the post. Offense only options at C? 16,15,16...Those are rebounds against the Warriors last year.

My post is that Memphis is less lethal with Adams than Jonas and your response is "Dude....the 90's centers don't matter".

You have made it to my ignore bucket! Congrats!

Ok

Anyways, while Adams is below average on the perimeter and the Grizzlies decided that was enough to bench him, Jonas is bottom 2 in the league on the perimeter. To compare to a current situation, Jokic was slightly better than Adams on the perimeter this year

The grizzlies, who were in the play in last year, make one big trade and become the #2 seed, but are somehow less lethal because of it.

It couldn’t possibly be that your take is wrong though, so why not double down on it?

[Impuniti]

You're watching the same playoffs as us presumably, and you are still talking up these offense only options at C like its not getting entirely exposed. Literally, what would it take for you to understand that that archetype is not a winner anymore? We're beating the piss out of the Nuggets right now, who have the hands-down best player in the league, who's an all-offense C. And we're attacking it to death.

Adams, for his warts, is still a smart interior defender, good rebounder, and solid moving the ball around. He's basically a poor man's Bogut. What is Jonas? A poor man's Sabonis - a guy who's not even in play-in games? Seriously.. the 90's were 30 years ago man. They aren't coming back

Jokic is not hands down the best player in the league, stop saying with absolute certainty. Can't be the best player when you get turned into a ballerina and attacked defensively all series.

Yes you can, he is, it’s not close.

Put any top star on a poor team in the playoffs and they would get attacked.

Of course that would be mitigated if they had a good perimeter defender in space, and that’s why they moved AG to the perimeter with much better results.

bull **** Bigs would all look horrible in this situation outside outliers like Bam or Ayton. Joker, like Embiid lookw like G league players during the P&R. He's been getting abused in all 4 games throughout it.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

Currently the worst defensive team in the playoffs, targeting the Joker as the main priority. Joker and Embiid are the only 2 superstars that would get abused like this. Keep repeating him being the best by far though, the more you say the more ridiculous it sounds. Probably one of the few people that has gotten very touchy after all those stats that showed Joker having the greatest RS of all time, including his defensive ratings which were significantly above players like Giannis.

[wco81]

Lavine enters protocols as Bulls are on verge of elimination.

Covid could still be the wildcard.


Meanwhile more coaches and players getting fined for officiating, the latest Monty Williams for pointing out 42-15 FTA disparity in game 4 of the Suns and Pels series. So much variance from game to game on FTs.

Well the NBA is trying to get a big new TV deal so they want to deliver as much ad revenues as possible and more playoffs games certainly doesn’t hurt.

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Jokic is not hands down the best player in the league, stop saying with absolute certainty. Can't be the best player when you get turned into a ballerina and attacked defensively all series.

Yes you can, he is, it’s not close.

Put any top star on a poor team in the playoffs and they would get attacked.

Of course that would be mitigated if they had a good perimeter defender in space, and that’s why they moved AG to the perimeter with much better results.

bull **** Bigs would all look horrible in this situation outside outliers like Bam or Ayton. Joker, like Embiid lookw like G league players during the P&R. He's been getting abused in all 4 games throughout it.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

Currently the worst defensive team in the playoffs, targeting the Joker as the main priority. Joker and Embiid are the only 2 superstars that would get abused like this. Keep repeating him being the best by far though, the more you say the more ridiculous it sounds. Probably one of the few people that has gotten very touchy after all those stats that showed Joker having the greatest RS of all time, including his defensive ratings which were significantly above players like Giannis.

What’s ridiculous is yours, and others, lack of vision besides what’s directly in front of your face. Put Giannis on a team without shooters and zone him up, and you’ve limited him offensively. Double Curry or box and one him and you can kneecap him.

But because you actually see it with Jokic, right now, only that one can exist. That’s goldfish level analysis.. the truth is that despite the disadvantages he had all season, he still put up a historic season (and btw, defensive rebounding drove his defensive numbers, how is that not obvious?) among crazy usage and minutes for his size

Not to mention his season long oPPP when defending PnR with Aaron Gordon as his partner, which, like in game 4, was above league average. But if you do the same thing with Morris, Campazzo, and Barton.. among the leagues worst. Average with Forbes. And since those 4 are all below average defenders on the PnR historically.. maybe pairing him with a good PnR perimeter person would work best. Want to guess what percentile Jokic was with Murray?

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Wolves leading Grizzlies in the 3rd. If not for that major choke in Game 3, Wolves may very well be heading to the next round.

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That Ja Morant dunk though... sheesh

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Wolves choking again Refs helping the Grizz though.

[ILOVEIT]

Wolves....combined IQ < 0. Ant going for the low percentage STEAL with 3 seconds so Ja can roll to an easy layup...lol

But really....is there any defense against Ja drives that won't be called a block? He clearly slipped and fell into the set defender down the stretch. He just throws himself at people and the refs give it to him over and over again.

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Wolves....combined IQ < 0. Ant going for the low percentage STEAL with 3 seconds so Ja can roll to an easy layup...lol

But really....is there any defense against Ja drives that won't be called a block? He clearly slipped and fell into the set defender down the stretch. He just throws himself at people and the refs give it to him over and over again.

Yeah, after hitting that game tying three he terribly gambled for the steal. Great game though. I have this Grizzlies in 7 games.

[Impuniti]

Yes you can, he is, it’s not close.

Put any top star on a poor team in the playoffs and they would get attacked.

Of course that would be mitigated if they had a good perimeter defender in space, and that’s why they moved AG to the perimeter with much better results.

bull **** Bigs would all look horrible in this situation outside outliers like Bam or Ayton. Joker, like Embiid lookw like G league players during the P&R. He's been getting abused in all 4 games throughout it.

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1

Currently the worst defensive team in the playoffs, targeting the Joker as the main priority. Joker and Embiid are the only 2 superstars that would get abused like this. Keep repeating him being the best by far though, the more you say the more ridiculous it sounds. Probably one of the few people that has gotten very touchy after all those stats that showed Joker having the greatest RS of all time, including his defensive ratings which were significantly above players like Giannis.

What’s ridiculous is yours, and others, lack of vision besides what’s directly in front of your face. Put Giannis on a team without shooters and zone him up, and you’ve limited him offensively. Double Curry or box and one him and you can kneecap him.

But because you actually see it with Jokic, right now, only that one can exist. That’s goldfish level analysis.. the truth is that despite the disadvantages he had all season, he still put up a historic season (and btw, defensive rebounding drove his defensive numbers, how is that not obvious?) among crazy usage and minutes for his size

Not to mention his season long oPPP when defending PnR with Aaron Gordon as his partner, which, like in game 4, was above league average. But if you do the same thing with Morris, Campazzo, and Barton.. among the leagues worst. Average with Forbes. And since those 4 are all below average defenders on the PnR historically.. maybe pairing him with a good PnR perimeter person would work best. Want to guess what percentile Jokic was with Murray?

Box and 1 works on every single player, that's a laughable statement. And disingenuous to a completely childish level. But yeah, you showed me that every player has weaknesses. A shocking revelation. An immobile big man cannot be best in the world in today's NBA. Embiid & Joker will never be able to climb that mountain with that massive crutch on them on one side.

Going to enjoy another 120 point game where Joker has more holes than a brothel tomorrow while getting targetted relentlessly all match.. as you yell about BITW because you're stuck looking only at analytics instead of watching the game.

[Coxy]

That Ja Morant dunk though... sheesh

Watch on YouTube

[Coxy]

That D from McDaniels though. Just let him walk past him, Morant didn't even need to put a move on.

[Coxy]

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