OT - Trump

[Coxy]

Your country, your choice.

But if you wanted a businessman to run the country it might have been an idea to pick one actually successful in business rather than as a reality TV star imo.

Might want to re-read Trumps resume. He's a very successful businessman.

[michaelm]

Your country, your choice.

But if you wanted a businessman to run the country it might have been an idea to pick one actually successful in business rather than as a reality TV star imo.

Might want to re-read Trumps resume. He's a very successful businessman.

You doubtless know more than I do, but my very possibly fragmentary and biased gleanings are that while he personally may be successful quite a number of his businesses have not been, in fact going bankrupt. If he is personally sucessful he is perhaps so in the same sense that Jamie Packer is successful.

[Coxy]

Your country, your choice.

But if you wanted a businessman to run the country it might have been an idea to pick one actually successful in business rather than as a reality TV star imo.

Might want to re-read Trumps resume. He's a very successful businessman.

You doubtless know more than I do, but my very possibly fragmentary and biased gleanings are that while he personally may be successful quite a number of his businesses have not been, in fact going bankrupt. If he is personally sucessful he is perhaps so in the same sense that Jamie Packer is successful.

Complete opposites. James has taken Kerry and the family's fortune and muddled around with it for years, and almost lost a lot during the TV rights sales. Trump took his family's modest business and turned it into a giant Real Estate empire, among other things.

Trumps a master negotiator.

[yesh]

Might want to re-read Trumps resume. He's a very successful businessman.

You doubtless know more than I do, but my very possibly fragmentary and biased gleanings are that while he personally may be successful quite a number of his businesses have not been, in fact going bankrupt. If he is personally sucessful he is perhaps so in the same sense that Jamie Packer is successful.

Complete opposites. James has taken Kerry and the family's fortune and muddled around with it for years, and almost lost a lot during the TV rights sales. Trump took his family's modest business and turned it into a giant Real Estate empire, among other things.

Trumps a master negotiator.

Trump inherited millions from his dad, who also gave him a shed load of money to start up and bailed out his casino's with millions too. The statistic is that if he'd put the money his dad gave him into a savings account he's actually be worth more today that he actually is. He is most definitely successful and spotted opportunities where others didn't, but you're most definitely playing down the role his father had.

It also helps when you don't pay your bills and look to shaft people at every turn. I mean, if it was you or your fmily that had completed work for him and he refused to pay, then maybe you'd have a different opinion on him.

[FNQ]

Trump is a **** disgrace. I can't believe what he is doing atm.

Right? It puts "business as usual" into perspective. In one week more lives have been endangered or damaged than I could have imagined. The repeals of the ACA, favoring the profit of pharmaceutical companies over the health of Americans was just demoralizing. Is empathy dead?

And now by directly instigating Muslim countries we've made ourselves more of a target than ever.

[Coxy]

You doubtless know more than I do, but my very possibly fragmentary and biased gleanings are that while he personally may be successful quite a number of his businesses have not been, in fact going bankrupt. If he is personally sucessful he is perhaps so in the same sense that Jamie Packer is successful.

Complete opposites. James has taken Kerry and the family's fortune and muddled around with it for years, and almost lost a lot during the TV rights sales. Trump took his family's modest business and turned it into a giant Real Estate empire, among other things.

Trumps a master negotiator.

Trump inherited millions from his dad, who also gave him a shed load of money to start up and bailed out his casino's with millions too. The statistic is that if he'd put the money his dad gave him into a savings account he's actually be worth more today that he actually is. He is most definitely successful and spotted opportunities where others didn't, but you're most definitely playing down the role his father had.

It also helps when you don't pay your bills and look to shaft people at every turn. I mean, if it was you or your fmily that had completed work for him and he refused to pay, then maybe you'd have a different opinion on him.

Damn right I would.

He IS a good businessman, that's all I'm saying. Ruthless and a proper ****, but successful in business no matter which way you cut it.

[turk3d]

A much, much more accurate reason that Trump won was the reckless arrogance shown by the DNC. They pigeon-holed the media to show the two people they wanted the race to be: Trump and Hillary. They preferred to show an empty podium of Trump over letting Bernie's message get out to the non-internet based public. They strategized against him. They used insider information to help Hillary and outwardly showed disdain to any Bernie supporter who wanted them to actually represent the people. So a lot of votes went to Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and some even went to Trump.

Nail on head.

[michaelm]

Complete opposites. James has taken Kerry and the family's fortune and muddled around with it for years, and almost lost a lot during the TV rights sales. Trump took his family's modest business and turned it into a giant Real Estate empire, among other things.

Trumps a master negotiator.

Trump inherited millions from his dad, who also gave him a shed load of money to start up and bailed out his casino's with millions too. The statistic is that if he'd put the money his dad gave him into a savings account he's actually be worth more today that he actually is. He is most definitely successful and spotted opportunities where others didn't, but you're most definitely playing down the role his father had.

It also helps when you don't pay your bills and look to shaft people at every turn. I mean, if it was you or your fmily that had completed work for him and he refused to pay, then maybe you'd have a different opinion on him.

Damn right I would.

He IS a good businessman, that's all I'm saying. Ruthless and a proper ****, but successful in business no matter which way you cut it.

We don't differ too much in our knowledge of Trump then, just our interpretation of his business success.

I want him to do better than I expect, for the sake of America and the world. What he has done on his business career is short term-ist and unlikely to translate to the presidency imo, except for his deal making ability as you say. I wait to be proved wrong, but I don't think you can run a country by taking gambles, or frequent non-high percentage gambles anyway, and declaring bankruptcy if they don't come off.

The likes of Bloomberg imo would be a better way to go for the US presidency, not that he necessarily accords with my personal politics either.

[Coxy]

Trump inherited millions from his dad, who also gave him a shed load of money to start up and bailed out his casino's with millions too. The statistic is that if he'd put the money his dad gave him into a savings account he's actually be worth more today that he actually is. He is most definitely successful and spotted opportunities where others didn't, but you're most definitely playing down the role his father had.

It also helps when you don't pay your bills and look to shaft people at every turn. I mean, if it was you or your fmily that had completed work for him and he refused to pay, then maybe you'd have a different opinion on him.

Damn right I would.

He IS a good businessman, that's all I'm saying. Ruthless and a proper ****, but successful in business no matter which way you cut it.

We don't differ too much in our knowledge of Trump then, just our interpretation of his business success.

I want him to do better than I expect, for the sake of America and the world. What he had done on his business career is short term-ism and unlikely to translate to the presidency imo, except for his deal making ability as you say. I wait to be proved wrong, but I don't think you can run a country by taking gambles, or frequent non-high percentage gambles anyway, and declaring bankruptcy if they don't come off.

The likes of Bloomberg imo would be a better way to go for the US presidency, not that he necessarily accords with my personal politics either.

I have no idea about the mop heads politics.

[michaelm]

Damn right I would.

He IS a good businessman, that's all I'm saying. Ruthless and a proper ****, but successful in business no matter which way you cut it.

We don't differ too much in our knowledge of Trump then, just our interpretation of his business success.

I want him to do better than I expect, for the sake of America and the world. What he had done on his business career is short term-ism and unlikely to translate to the presidency imo, except for his deal making ability as you say. I wait to be proved wrong, but I don't think you can run a country by taking gambles, or frequent non-high percentage gambles anyway, and declaring bankruptcy if they don't come off.

The likes of Bloomberg imo would be a better way to go for the US presidency, not that he necessarily accords with my personal politics either.

I have no idea about the mop heads politics.

My point was that the type of businessman you want in my view is someone who has actually run some sort of long term successful enterprise which actually produces something, not real estate speculators or merchant bankers, those who pretty much gave us the Global Financial Crisis, mostly at little or no personal cost. Not sure Bloomberg himself qualifies actually, but he doesn't seem to have made a career of ripping off the powerless at least.

[Mylie10]

This could be the straw that breaks the camels back for 'Murica. It's looking so bad now, that it may bring on a whole new way you vote people into your most important positions in the future.

The world needs to come up with a way where the people are not choosing between 2 evils, so to speak. This Swede bilionare is offering 5 Mill cash money for anyone that comes up with a new brillianbt way that governemnt can be formed and and run. http://bigthink.com/design-for-good/a-swedish-billionaire-will-award-5-million-for-reimagining-global-governance

I vote Quimby. Obviously.

Everythings gonna be ok. No need to take away our political system based on your being in a different country.

Why don't you let us Muricans figure it out.

And just because the media blows every thing out of proportion, doesn't mean our world is ending. Some thing need changing, some things need refining, some things need to be left alone. It'll all be worked out.

The reason we ended up with these two crapfest choices was based on two things. (1.) the status quo on both sides of the political aisle. It doesn't make for things improving. (2.) People who are ok with the status quo and want it to continue, or even further entrench itself.

There ya go.....now things will be a changing for better or for worse. It has awoken lots of people who normally are disengaged in the process. Now people may come to the voting booths better informed to make the right choices. Now people can really get out and vote next time for how things should be, and you won't have these kind of crappy candidates.

A ton of fraud has been exposed in the overall system. the deck shouldn't be able to be stacked so heavily in one direction any more. It would be nice if the main stream media would join in with not pushing their personal agendas, and get back to reporting all of the news.

It would also be nice if the media didn't trash people who disagree with them to the point where good people with good intentions wouldn't be afraid to run for office because their lives are torn apart.

But we got it, so get back to trying to control that large rat population you have over there. Those suckers are huge, and they carry their young around in pouches. Seriously

Communism Mylie, it's the way of the future.

Cause that's worked so well throughout history lol!

[Mylie10]

The fraud is voter suppression under the disguise of eliminating fraud that hasn't occurred. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.

There's no voter suppression. Come on. Prove it why don't you? We don't even have to show id's like in Mexico and most other free voting countries around the world. Use green font with your jokes.

[Mylie10]

Your country, your choice.

But if you wanted a businessman to run the country it might have been an idea to pick one actually successful in business rather than as a reality TV star imo.

Billions

[michaelm]

The fraud is voter suppression under the disguise of eliminating fraud that hasn't occurred. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.

There's no voter suppression. Come on. Prove it why don't you? We don't even have to show id's like in Mexico and most other free voting countries around the world. Use green font with your jokes.

With respect and from a position of some ignorance, I would have thought the onus is on you and/or Trump or whomever else is making such claims to provide the proof, particularly when claiming it is unilateral.

[Mylie10]

Your country, your choice.

But if you wanted a businessman to run the country it might have been an idea to pick one actually successful in business rather than as a reality TV star imo.

Might want to re-read Trumps resume. He's a very successful businessman.

You doubtless know more than I do, but my very possibly fragmentary and biased gleanings are that while he personally may be successful quite a number of his businesses have not been, in fact going bankrupt. If he is personally sucessful he is perhaps so in the same sense that Jamie Packer is successful.

Bankruptcy can often be the product of the business environment you find yourself in. It's often a prudent business decision.

In the2008 stock market crash after math, many businesses had to declarations bankrupt y by no fault of their own. It was literally out of their hands why their businesses couldn't sustain. In fact t most of the casinos and resorts in Atlantic city came into hard times and many folded, because of the crash, not bad business practice.

Running businesses have many layers. Bankruptcy is not always based on poor decisions.

[Mylie10]

The fraud is voter suppression under the disguise of eliminating fraud that hasn't occurred. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.

There's no voter suppression. Come on. Prove it why don't you? We don't even have to show id's like in Mexico and most other free voting countries around the world. Use green font with your jokes.

With respect and from a position of some ignorance, I would have thought the onus is on you and/or Trump or whomever else is making such claims to provide the proof, particularly when claiming it is unilateral.

The emails that were discovered proved the fraud that the DNC was using as a tool to get Hillary elected. They used much of these practices against one of their own, Bernie Sanders. Theres also video of Democrats stuffing ballot boxes with fraudulent ballots Hillary against Bernie in a primary election.

I didn't realize I would have rehash and reintroduce what's out there for anyone paying attention.

Also have CNN feeding Hillary questions prior to a debate.

We can go on and on. But I'd prefer you did some leg work before coming at others.

[Mylie10]

Watch on YouTube

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

The fraud is voter suppression under the disguise of eliminating fraud that hasn't occurred. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.

There's no voter suppression. Come on. Prove it why don't you? We don't even have to show id's like in Mexico and most other free voting countries around the world. Use green font with your jokes.

Republicans have been suppressing votes for decades. They make it incredibly hard to vote in many locations. This crosscheck that they been rolling out to fight voter fraud gets many votes tossed out too. Its like Jim Crow laws in modern era. If you don't think there isn't a mass effort to prevent people from voting, or trying to get them tossed out your as ridiculous as your comments. Its in Republicans best interest to have low voter turn out and there always been a big effort to prevent that. Your comments are so far from facts I have to think your trolling me. Specifically about not needing ID.

[FNQ]

If the goal was to run America like a business, then the premise is flawed. Because most businesses only value the input of high up management, and are beholden to customers, not employees.

I was open minded about seeing what he would do. 10 days in and I'm bracing myself for what comes next. A unified America is getting farther and farther away

[Mylie10]

The fraud is voter suppression under the disguise of eliminating fraud that hasn't occurred. What a bunch of hypocritical nonsense.

There's no voter suppression. Come on. Prove it why don't you? We don't even have to show id's like in Mexico and most other free voting countries around the world. Use green font with your jokes.

Republicans have been suppressing votes for decades. They make it incredibly hard to vote in many locations. This crosscheck that they been rolling out to fight voter fraud gets many votes tossed out too. Its like Jim Crow laws in modern era. If you don't think there isn't a mass effort to prevent people from voting, or trying to get them tossed out your as ridiculous as your comments. Its in Republicans best interest to have low voter turn out and there always been a big effort to prevent that.

What your are saying is not correct in any way shape or form. It's a falsehood. I would like you to provide real factual data on that, because it's a made up lie, and the definition of fake news.