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Post#461 » by michaelm » Sat Feb 6, 2021 11:28 pm

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He signed with gsw because they had the biggest offer. Nothing more.


Yes, if DLo wanted to team up with Towns he could have very easily signed directly with the TWolves last year as a free agent. So despite the talk of Towns, DLo and Booker wanting to again team up, he instead signed with the Warriors for more money.... thus forcing the TWolves to later mortgage their depth and future to acquire him. This proves the guy couldn't give a rats arse about winning and only about the extra millions he doesn't even need.


The Wolves would have had to dump Wiggins or Dieng to offer 4/107, and they had that deal agreed to until we swooped in with the max. In order to fulfill the Nets' outgoing salary requirements for a sign and trade, it had to be the max, and we also had to take back Graham and Napier, guarantee their salaries, and dump them on the Wolves.

The Wolves could have taken those parameters directly and sent us Wiggins as part of the initial deal, but with DLO's stock at its peak and Wiggins' at rock bottom, we could squeeze them for every pick they had. I don't think Myers was interested in doing that and sending the message that we were going to tank just because we lost KD and Klay.

Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the Wolves had found a way to match our offer.

I saw a piece recently linked to on another GSW forum from a journalist which was basically a then and now thing with Lacob about GSW signing Wiggins, with Lacob having said he would be good at GSW then and saying a reasonably gentle I told you so now, and the journalist himself pretty much saying he himself was wrong about Wiggins. Lacob said DLo was also a gamble but one which didn't come off. Perhaps he is maintaining a charade to foster the GSW being a good destination for players/an organisation which looks after players narrative, but it sounded like they had genuine intentions in regard to seeing whether DLo had anything to offer GSW.

DLo was essentially the only chance for GSW to get anything out of Durant leaving, even if that was only a salary slot, as far as I can see and as your numbers indicate, and the Nets had made the play-offs without Kyrie with him being a fringe all-star (did he eventually make it after being a reserve ?, I have zero interest in the all-star game) and as you say his stock was high, and many considered it was a very bad move at the time to later trade him for Wiggins when they did, which non-GSW fans of the ilk we are discussing still do, and consider he could've/should've/would've brought a better player than Wiggins in trade. I am not saying DLo, a no defense guy who is also something of a chucker a la Monta Ellis, had any place at GSW myself imo he would be horrible at GSW even next to a healthy Steph playing a full season, but don't want to be down on the guy when intentionally or not he seems to have basically done GSW a favor.
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Post#462 » by Mylie10 » Sun Feb 7, 2021 5:24 pm

One thing with DLo on the Nets that isn’t talked about, was the young core of Dinwiddie, Harris, Allen, and Lavert were playing great before DLo. DLo came in and to his credit play well. But still the core is what had that team on the rise, not DLo. DLo got the All Star credit, and he did just slide into the All Star game, but to me, that original core is what had the Nets playing well.

Lacob is in love with the Dream of Giannis. He believes that if the Warriors can put themselves in position to get him, without using Steph or Klay, then keeping themselves in a salary position to make a move for someone like Giannis or Kawhi, then that’s what you do.

He beehives if those types of players find their way to Golden State and can play with Steph and Klay, then you can continue to stack titles.

So Wiggins, DLo, whoever else next, is the vehicle to get you to a Star that is willing to come. It may be an unrealistic way of running your business, but I’m happy we have an owner with that type of mentality.
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Post#463 » by michaelm » Sun Feb 7, 2021 7:23 pm

Mylie10 wrote:One thing with DLo on the Nets that isn’t talked about, was the young core of Dinwiddie, Harris, Allen, and Lavert were playing great before DLo. DLo came in and to his credit play well. But still the core is what had that team on the rise, not DLo. DLo got the All Star credit, and he did just slide into the All Star game, but to me, that original core is what had the Nets playing well.

Lacob is in love with the Dream of Giannis. He believes that if the Warriors can put themselves in position to get him, without using Steph or Klay, then keeping themselves in a salary position to make a move for someone like Giannis or Kawhi, then that’s what you do.

He beehives if those types of players find their way to Golden State and can play with Steph and Klay, then you can continue to stack titles.

So Wiggins, DLo, whoever else next, is the vehicle to get you to a Star that is willing to come. It may be an unrealistic way of running your business, but I’m happy we have an owner with that type of mentality.

I am grateful for his attitude to the team in general, particularly his willingness to spend.

I was happier when Jerry West was there to temper his judgement though, his approach seems similar to what LeBron’s was mostly in the past ie just assemble as many stars and superstars as you can regardless of fit or bench strength.
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Post#464 » by michaelm » Sun Feb 7, 2021 7:23 pm

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Post#465 » by East Bay Sports » Sun Feb 7, 2021 8:26 pm

God I hate pick protections : (
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Post#466 » by marthafokker » Tue Feb 9, 2021 2:50 am

Poor puppies. GSW embarrassing the unicorn has woke him up against these puppies.
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Post#467 » by killmongrel » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:01 am

Where do you guys see the Wolves at by mid season? I can see them with an 8-28 record.
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Post#468 » by Mylie10 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:13 pm

Im wondering what has more value to us...The pick itself, or trading the pick in a package for a player?

Then i have to wonder if we should deal it before we know where it lands? because if the Wolves end up keeping it this offseason and we wouldn't get it until the following year, then maybe it has more trade value before the lottery balls drop.
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Post#469 » by kingcong95 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:54 am

Of course DLO would be out the same day KAT comes back. Wolves led by as much as 13 in the first half but got outscored by 13 in the third.
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Post#470 » by giberish » Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:51 am

The Ringer discussing this topic. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/2/9/22273403/golden-state-warriors-minnesota-timberwolves-draft-pick

Better then 50/50 chance of a top-5 pick. Though 30% of that is at #5.
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Post#471 » by the_dinks » Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:58 am

Mylie10 wrote:Im wondering what has more value to us...The pick itself, or trading the pick in a package for a player?

Then i have to wonder if we should deal it before we know where it lands? because if the Wolves end up keeping it this offseason and we wouldn't get it until the following year, then maybe it has more trade value before the lottery balls drop.


I think right now, there probably aren't any valid trade targets to make it worth trading. That's really what it hinges on, not the relative strength of the draft.
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Re: Wolves season watch thread for the 2021 pick 

Post#472 » by FNQ » Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:18 pm

killmongrel wrote:Where do you guys see the Wolves at by mid season? I can see them with an 8-28 record.


I maintain that if we see the pick, it'll likely be in the 6-10 range paired with our early to mid teens 1st

The Wolves have a little bit to build on, the only question is whether they will be a team that quits in the late part of the season, or a team that rallies.. if they have a healthy KAT the entire time, I'm thinking the latter. They will be trying to win, and other teams might not be
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Post#473 » by likashing » Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:40 pm

Easier way to follow the based on ESPN's BPI. It takes into account the remaining schedule and Min's performance.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/BPI-Playoff-Odds/espn-nba-basketball-power-index-playoff-odds

Min "Draft top 3" odds = 38.5% as of 2/11/21

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Re: Wolves season watch thread for the 2021 pick 

Post#474 » by giberish » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:25 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:Im wondering what has more value to us...The pick itself, or trading the pick in a package for a player?

Then i have to wonder if we should deal it before we know where it lands? because if the Wolves end up keeping it this offseason and we wouldn't get it until the following year, then maybe it has more trade value before the lottery balls drop.


I think right now, there probably aren't any valid trade targets to make it worth trading. That's really what it hinges on, not the relative strength of the draft.


IMO, in order to be a title contender GS needs a healthy Klay and a good win-now move using either Wiseman or the Minny pick. (and no other major injuries). Since they can't get a healthy Klay until next season they have some time to make a move - though if a good option comes along they should take it.
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Post#475 » by killmongrel » Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:33 am

Good lord the Wolves are so bad. My prediction of them being 8-28 by mid season has a shot.
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Post#476 » by Hopper15 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:52 am

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Post#477 » by Mylie10 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:59 pm

At least Kats back and he put up 25, so must be feeling better. I really feel bad for that dude.
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Post#478 » by shazam_guy » Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:00 am

I'm sad for the Nets because they were putting together a pretty decent team, but they got rid of most of it for this bizarre Frankenstein team they've assembled instead. I'm sure if they win the Brooklyn fans will be happy, but as a basketball guy, I lament what was growing there and now will never be.

If the current version wind up against the Lakers for the championship, I'll have a hard time rooting for either of them, or even caring who wins.
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Post#479 » by zimpy27 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:20 pm

Is it worth GSW tanking to guarantee a top 5 pick this season? Might even get 2.

Top 5 is loaded with wings this season.
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Post#480 » by xdrta+ » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:43 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Is it worth GSW tanking to guarantee a top 5 pick this season? Might even get 2.

Top 5 is loaded with wings this season.


How would you suggest they go about tanking? Hold Steph out of games? Put him out there with the G league team they had last year? Just curious what you think the mechanism would be to ensure losses.

Edit: Maybe trade Steph for a boatload of picks. That would work. What's your choice?

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