Game 83 (9-10 play-in) Tuesday April 16 vs. Sacramento Kings

[Onus]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

I think we'll have 2 options:

A
Extend klay and jk, and trade Wiggins and moody

Steph, klay, jk, dray, tjd

I dont think kerr nor mcd want jk as sf without klay.

B
Trade jk and let cp3 and klay walk.

Steph, moody, wiggins, dray, tjd

Might be our best defensive group, but not really something kerr wants


A is the most likely scenario.

Sign me up for b all day everyday and twice everyday.

[cladden]

Maybe, but we also have no idea what our "peak" looks like with this team because of Kerr. So while not being a contender isnt on Kerr, the fact that the team has no real identity and will play vets through their coldest streaks while benching quality youth means we're in a lot worse position going forward than we should be

Maybe. But I can understand how working with people you've worked with for a decade is. The thing is that we basically have nothing of huge value at this point. Kuminga, Moody, Podz and Trayce are all fine young dudes and Kuminga has a little bit of star potential. Curry could maybe fetch a little bit in the right scenario but who's to say he'd be excited about making a run elsewhere? He has nothing to prove. We own no one else's picks. We basically need to tank but I don't think it would have been fair to the fanbase, the players, the league or anyone else to have done that this year even though it was equally true at the start of this season.
Letting the young guys play more might have won us a few more or a few less games or just the same. Either way I don't think that would matter that much. We can't reasonably be expected to make this core even a team that you'd expect to have home court in the first round without some major free agent signing and I imagine that would require us to have Curry off the books first. Sometimes you just have to let certain events play out even if they're not exactly optimal from a future perspective sense. I don't expect any of these players to be on the team the next time the Warriors make the conference finals.

Curry off the books? FOH lol 'fans' like you don't deserve Steph. You think any 'major free agent' is signing once he's gone?

I think you misunderstood what I meant by it. I'm a huge Steph fan. He's my favorite player of all time (like every other Warriors fan). My point was just that we can't reasonably build anything around him in the 2 that he's under contract. We don't have any assets that would fetch us enough or ability to get under the cap in that timeframe. I honestly hope that Steph just tells us that he'd rather just play out these two years and retire rather than go somewhere else and chase another ring but if he does we'd have to acquiesce.

[marthafokker]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

I think we'll have 2 options:

A
Extend klay and jk, and trade Wiggins and moody

Steph, klay, jk, dray, tjd

I dont think kerr nor mcd want jk as sf without klay.

B
Trade jk and let cp3 and klay walk.

Steph, moody, wiggins, dray, tjd

Might be our best defensive group, but not really something kerr wants


A is the most likely scenario.

C. Trade Kerr. Get a 1st, and then end of midget ball. MDJ can then build a real NBA team of current NBA talents.

[whatisacenter]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

Trade jk

One of the only bright spots on the team...what player making $7,636,307 are you trading him for that makes the team better?

[KevinMcreynolds]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

I would try to trade Draymond, Looney, Jk, and let Klay walk.

I dont get why trading Dray should be a priority

He helped coach up JK this year (because someone had to)
He doesnt take a lot of shots
He literally puts people in the right position defensively on the court

His downside is that he wants to win and we're not going to, so if he goes all bilbo-y, then suspend him. But the contracts coming back for him arent going to be good and will probably be younger. Unless there's some good draft capital coming back, it wont be worth it

Imo the downside is he’s probably going to meltdown again at some point

[HiRez]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

I mean maybe but I think JK alone isn't nearly enough to fix all this team's problems. Even if you could get Markkanen for Kuminga and Klay (you can't), I still don't think they make it far in the playoffs. They're SO far away from contention.

I think it's a mistake to think it's fixable at this point, it needs to be burned to the ground. The "one piece away" ship sailed 2 years ago.

And on the other hand, while I like JK, I don't think he's the piece you build a new team around either.

I'm not saying to trade him for a veteran even.. I think if a team is willing to pay him a big extension and build around them, better them than us. He can get his own midrange shots sometimes, and is a great downhill driver, but other than that, his game is riddled with question marks and holes. He needs shots to be created for him more often than not.. he's unselfish, but he's not creating that on his own

Add in the rebounding issues and the hit and miss defense, and its not a bet I'd be taking. But if there's a team out there that's got a lot of shooting and needs someone who can take advantage of the holes that creates, Kuminga can be that guy right now

I just think, and I've said this since I got here some 15+ years ago, that the worst thing a franchise can do is put a pure scorer as their current or future #1 player. And I have huge concerns that the extension he gets in the offseason, from the Warriors, will view him as that

I don't really disagree with any of that. And really after seeing what MDJ did in the draft with little ammo, I'd like to see what he could do with a little better or a few more picks, and maybe JK is the one who gets those. If a rebuild is on the table that is, but they still have the question of what to do with the vets and the issue of the (IMO ill-timed) Kerr extension.

The sad part is Steph just isn't himself anymore and that dwarfs all the other problems. If he's not playing at a HOF level, then you need A LOT of help to make anything work with him still as the central pillar. Clearly, they don't have those players now, and I'm doubtful they have the resources to get them.

Will definitely be interesting to see which direction they go, Lacob has some huge decisions to make.

[cladden]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

Trade jk

One of the only bright spots on the team...what player making $7,636,307 are you trading him for that makes the team better?

Picks, before we have to give him a lot of money.

[CDM_Stats]

I would try to trade Draymond, Looney, Jk, and let Klay walk.

I dont get why trading Dray should be a priority

He helped coach up JK this year (because someone had to)
He doesnt take a lot of shots
He literally puts people in the right position defensively on the court

His downside is that he wants to win and we're not going to, so if he goes all bilbo-y, then suspend him. But the contracts coming back for him arent going to be good and will probably be younger. Unless there's some good draft capital coming back, it wont be worth it

Imo the downside is he’s probably going to meltdown again at some point

Oh no would that cost us wins on our quest for the title?

[marthafokker]

Dray should be traded to LAL. Let him burn the Fake show.

[whatisacenter]

I would try to trade Draymond, Looney, Jk, and let Klay walk.

I dont get why trading Dray should be a priority

He helped coach up JK this year (because someone had to)
He doesnt take a lot of shots
He literally puts people in the right position defensively on the court

His downside is that he wants to win and we're not going to, so if he goes all bilbo-y, then suspend him. But the contracts coming back for him arent going to be good and will probably be younger. Unless there's some good draft capital coming back, it wont be worth it

Imo the downside is he’s probably going to meltdown again at some point

plus, he is old, not as good defensively and can't play next to a center in the postseason if the team ever makes it back.

[ILOVEIT]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

Biggest elephant, IMO, is trading Draymond.

I think Draymond killed the Warriors chemistry forever. Him punching a young dude who just helped the Warriors win a fourth chip completely destroyed the trust in the locker room......And had he not been banned for games earlier, Warrior were easily a 6th seed.
Curry will NEVER say it...but Draymond betrayed him and Klay is done.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

For those that could not handle the inconsistent Warriors congratulations, your misery ends tonight. Not being able to hang close with defense sucked. I did not want the Warriors too lose but I can relate to wanting this team to loose. They were too frustrating. We needed a starting off guard who could defend and score. We needed a 7 foot bruiser 3rd string center.

Klay can stay as a role player with a pay cut. Klay is not useless but he should play 10 to 30 minutes depending on situation and whether he is hot or cold. Use him like early 1980s Celtics used Pete Maravitch who could not defend but could still score.

Don’t expect another Warriors championship for the next 20 years.

[DAWill1128]

Completely missing on the #2 pick with Wiseman meant we weren’t going to have two timelines or an extended run.

I am still massively disappointed we didn’t pony up last seasons trade deadline. It was obvious we needed size but it was also obvious we were a piece away from being able to make one last run last year.

I never liked the CP3 trade. Poole brought positives offensively, it was his defense that was bad and his inability to defend with the Splash Brothers. But trading the younger player along with a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick and two prospects for an even smaller guy on his last legs isn’t the move I would make. We never addressed the roster construction issue we had last year.

When we started the year it was obvious we didn’t have the size or talent to contend. I thought for psychological reasons they needed to make some sort of trade early before the losing took its toll mentally. Not being able to move Klay or CP3 with young players or picks to upgrade imo was a mistake.

If are a rebuilding team it’s fine to take on or keep bad contracts in CP3 and Klay. It’s fine if you are rebuilding to hold onto young players and try and develop them. But that’s the thing we took a rebuilding mindset, the front office wasn’t that serious about winning.

OKC has four young guys better than any of ours, we are staring down potentially a 10 year butt whooping. Steph-Dray are the guys that are special, that’s why you should’ve went all in.

Three of your four highest paid players not being able to defend together is contract mismanagement.

It’s combination of the franchise overestimating its ability to replace Curry, and also I believe an overestimation of our young players not to bring a real race horse to help Steph.

You can’t win it all if this is how you used your picks and contract slots.

[ILOVEIT]

All this makes Curry's game 7 last year more amazing....and the 4th chip more incredible. He literally DRAGGED Draymond and Klay to a fourth title.

[Onus]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

Trade jk

One of the only bright spots on the team...what player making $7,636,307 are you trading him for that makes the team better?

I’d take a draft pick in this **** draft for jk. Jk was not a bright spot at all to me. Jk is a unique player but none of that uniqueness leads to some type of favorable matchup for us. Usually it’s just building around a completely flawed player. His defense sucks. His rebounding sucks. His shooting sucks. The only thing he does well is finish if he doesn’t lose the ball going up. He also runs in a straight line really fast. But in general he sucks as a basketball player.

[CDM_Stats]

I never liked the CP3 trade. Poole brought positives offensively, it was his defense that was bad and his inability to defend with the Splash Brothers. But trading the younger player along with a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick and two prospects for an even smaller guy on his last legs isn’t the move I would make. We never addressed the roster construction issue we had last year.

Its a heavily protected 2030 1st that likely never conveys

The only upside to not making that deal is that it would nearly ensure Klay doesnt come back. And I guess I really wouldnt worry about JK's potential large extension, because the fear there is extending a limited offensive player based on a run that doesnt look sustainable and becoming a treadmill team. If Poole was still here.. we'd be locked into that. That trade was a win no matter how you look at it

[whatisacenter]

Trade jk

One of the only bright spots on the team...what player making $7,636,307 are you trading him for that makes the team better?

I’d take a draft pick in this **** draft for jk. Jk was not a bright spot at all to me. Jk is a unique player but none of that uniqueness leads to some type of favorable matchup for us. Usually it’s just building around a completely flawed player. His defense sucks. His rebounding sucks. His shooting sucks. The only thing he does well is finish if he doesn’t lose the ball going up. He also runs in a straight line really fast. But in general he sucks as a basketball player.

LOL, the top of this draft sucks balls. I'm hoping the pick conveys.

I get it, I know you hate JK.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Go Nuggets. Smash the Lakers.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Glad its over tbh

Time to talk about the biggest elephant in the room... what we do with JK. Because how that's handled will determine the vision of this franchise. A moderate extension or selling high would be ideal. But if JK's agent is worth a damn, he's pushing for the biggest extension possible - Warriors or not

Trade jk

Yup his value is pretty good right now and his BBIQ is too poor to be an impactful player

Kerr’s IQ was not good enough to be an impactful coach. Trade the coach not the player. Schemes can be created to make the game easier. But he made things harder for his players.

Played them out of position. Employed a defensive scheme that was getting destroyed nightly. Setup Klay to be a starter by playing him against loser teams, and when he faced playoff defense he was destroyed as expected. Klay should have been a bench player in the playoffs. Instead he was totally humiliated.

The players I called out to be starters all did something, but they did it separately when they should have been playing together down the home stretch to build chemistry. Would have made things easier for Curry too.

[WarriorGM]

Kerr's moves this season were so mystifying that I am left with one of two conclusions:

(1) he's incredibly incompetent
or
(2) he's following orders.

Steph, Draymond and Klay have such a grip on this team that for Lacob to be able to start taking back more control without alienating the fans requires something like this performance. With the luxury tax there is a tremendous overhang that allows for little if any flexibility on Lacob's part. From a management viewpoint a year to get below the apron, avoid repeater tax, and reboot is extremely desirable. Lacob was caught in-between with that on one side and the trio wanting to win on the other. Something had to give. It is beneficial from management's side that responsibility be clearly assigned. Result: Klay playing all the time. With the team not even making the playoffs proper the front office now has a freer hand.