Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[whatisacenter]

So what’s the plan from the warriors perspective?

Gum up their free agency by waiting out a player who doesn’t want to be here for a coach who doesn’t want him?

As currently constructed they will be the over the hill gang battling for a play-in spot.

I don't think there's any other teams that are willing to give him 30 either.

Not sure teams want to give him $25M or even $20M at this point. I mean the writing was on the wall when you see the contracts Naz and Turner got. Why would anyone give Kuminga more than those guys or even close to their salaries?

So what is the Warriors plan?

Waiting on a guy who doesn't want to be here to eventually accept less than he wants and then what?

[statsman]

At this point, would Kuminga take $20M to start (4/86) from another team? Hard to imagine the Warriors letting him go for that price.

[EvanZ]

I don't think there's any other teams that are willing to give him 30 either.

Not sure teams want to give him $25M or even $20M at this point. I mean the writing was on the wall when you see the contracts Naz and Turner got. Why would anyone give Kuminga more than those guys or even close to their salaries?

So what is the Warriors plan?

Waiting on a guy who doesn't want to be here to eventually accept less than he wants and then what?

The plan is talking about Damian Lillard.

[Onus]

I don't think there's any other teams that are willing to give him 30 either.

Not sure teams want to give him $25M or even $20M at this point. I mean the writing was on the wall when you see the contracts Naz and Turner got. Why would anyone give Kuminga more than those guys or even close to their salaries?

So what is the Warriors plan?

Waiting on a guy who doesn't want to be here to eventually accept less than he wants and then what?

I don't think he's ever said he doesn't want to be here. He just wants to get paid and be featured. It doesn't matter where. But he can't find a place that will pay him. He needs to come to that realization.

Really there's no one left in free agency that we even want other than Horford and it seems like Horford is content on waiting it out as well. So not really a big deal.

[whatisacenter]

Not sure teams want to give him $25M or even $20M at this point. I mean the writing was on the wall when you see the contracts Naz and Turner got. Why would anyone give Kuminga more than those guys or even close to their salaries?

So what is the Warriors plan?

Waiting on a guy who doesn't want to be here to eventually accept less than he wants and then what?

I don't think he's ever said he doesn't want to be here. He just wants to get paid and be featured. It doesn't matter where. But he can't find a place that will pay him. He needs to come to that realization.

Really there's no one left in free agency that we even want other than Horford and it seems like Horford is content on waiting it out as well. So not really a big deal.

Why would he want to be here?

Might be better off rescinding the QO and moving on.

[Onus]

At this point, would Kuminga take $20M to start (4/86) from another team? Hard to imagine the Warriors letting him go for that price.

I saw somewhere that the pelicans were interested in JK but not at his desired contract of 30M.

[Onus]

So what is the Warriors plan?

Waiting on a guy who doesn't want to be here to eventually accept less than he wants and then what?

I don't think he's ever said he doesn't want to be here. He just wants to get paid and be featured. It doesn't matter where. But he can't find a place that will pay him. He needs to come to that realization.

Really there's no one left in free agency that we even want other than Horford and it seems like Horford is content on waiting it out as well. So not really a big deal.

Why would he want to be here?

Might be better off rescinding the QO and moving on.

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

[whatisacenter]

I don't think he's ever said he doesn't want to be here. He just wants to get paid and be featured. It doesn't matter where. But he can't find a place that will pay him. He needs to come to that realization.

Really there's no one left in free agency that we even want other than Horford and it seems like Horford is content on waiting it out as well. So not really a big deal.

Why would he want to be here?

Might be better off rescinding the QO and moving on.

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

Because he has been jerked around for 4 years and is paying the price right now with his second contract.

The team could free up $ by rescinding the QO and could move on by trying to get a FA.

[Onus]

Why would he want to be here?

Might be better off rescinding the QO and moving on.

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

Because he has been jerked around for 4 years and is paying the price right now with his second contract.

The team could free up $ by rescinding the QO and could move on by trying to get a FA.

Is he paying the price because he was jerked around? Or is he paying the price because no teams have cap space? Or is he paying the price because he declined 30M a year last year? If you noticed no RFA has signed a deal yet that hasn't been extended by their team.

What FA do you want?

[HiRez]

At this point, would Kuminga take $20M to start (4/86) from another team? Hard to imagine the Warriors letting him go for that price.

I saw somewhere that the pelicans were interested in JK but not at his desired contract of 30M.

That probably applies to many teams in the league...I'm sure lots would love to have him at $15M-$20M, including even the Warriors. I guess if the Warriors sign him, they need to balance a price high enough to allow trading for a large contract, but low enough that it's not going to immediately shut down possibilities with most teams. I feel like JK would probably be fairly easily tradable up to about $25M, after that it gets a little dicey.

[EvanZ]

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

Because he has been jerked around for 4 years and is paying the price right now with his second contract.

The team could free up $ by rescinding the QO and could move on by trying to get a FA.

Is he paying the price because he was jerked around? Or is he paying the price because no teams have cap space? Or is he paying the price because he declined 30M a year last year? If you noticed no RFA has signed a deal yet that hasn't been extended by their team.

What FA do you want?

The other RFA I'm waiting on to see what happens is Isaiah Jackson. Now that the Pacers let Turner walk, I wonder how high they'd go to match IJ.

In my world, I'd actually make an uncomfortably high offer to IJ just to force Indiana to match it. If they dont', then I'd rescind JK's offer and let him fly his freak flag somewhere else. I'd rather take my chances with a relatively cheap IJ.

[AirP.]

I don't think he's ever said he doesn't want to be here. He just wants to get paid and be featured. It doesn't matter where. But he can't find a place that will pay him. He needs to come to that realization.

Really there's no one left in free agency that we even want other than Horford and it seems like Horford is content on waiting it out as well. So not really a big deal.

Why would he want to be here?

Might be better off rescinding the QO and moving on.

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

He wants to be the top option and I don't know how you build a good high-level team with a guy like him. I don't think he cares what team he's on this next contract, he just wants to be a top option.

It's crazy how much he dominated the ball. Kuminga's usg% this last season (27.4%) was higher than any of Jimmy Butler's regular season usg% (26.6%) and had Kuminga played enough games to qualify for league leaders he'd been tied for 32nd in the NBA for usg%, tied with Kyrie and Towns.

If Kuminga is retained to be traded later in the season, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some issues in the locker room between the older guys looking to try to win it all vs a young hungry player trying to play his way to another team (putting up stats, mostly scoring) where he can be a top option.

[Onus]

Because he has been jerked around for 4 years and is paying the price right now with his second contract.

The team could free up $ by rescinding the QO and could move on by trying to get a FA.

Is he paying the price because he was jerked around? Or is he paying the price because no teams have cap space? Or is he paying the price because he declined 30M a year last year? If you noticed no RFA has signed a deal yet that hasn't been extended by their team.

What FA do you want?

The other RFA I'm waiting on to see what happens is Isaiah Jackson. Now that the Pacers let Turner walk, I wonder how high they'd go to match IJ.

In my world, I'd actually make an uncomfortably high offer to IJ just to force Indiana to match it. If they dont', then I'd rescind JK's offer and let him fly his freak flag somewhere else. I'd rather take my chances with a relatively cheap IJ.

What would you offer off of an achilles injury?

[EvanZ]

Is he paying the price because he was jerked around? Or is he paying the price because no teams have cap space? Or is he paying the price because he declined 30M a year last year? If you noticed no RFA has signed a deal yet that hasn't been extended by their team.

What FA do you want?

The other RFA I'm waiting on to see what happens is Isaiah Jackson. Now that the Pacers let Turner walk, I wonder how high they'd go to match IJ.

In my world, I'd actually make an uncomfortably high offer to IJ just to force Indiana to match it. If they dont', then I'd rescind JK's offer and let him fly his freak flag somewhere else. I'd rather take my chances with a relatively cheap IJ.

What would you offer off of an achilles injury?

I'd probably offer something like 3/36 with a player option on the third year.

[Onus]

The other RFA I'm waiting on to see what happens is Isaiah Jackson. Now that the Pacers let Turner walk, I wonder how high they'd go to match IJ.

In my world, I'd actually make an uncomfortably high offer to IJ just to force Indiana to match it. If they dont', then I'd rescind JK's offer and let him fly his freak flag somewhere else. I'd rather take my chances with a relatively cheap IJ.

What would you offer off of an achilles injury?

I'd probably offer something like 3/36 with a player option on the third year.

wow you're high on IJ. An athletic big that is dependent on his athleticism after an achilles injury.

[vvoland]

why would he not want to be here? Move on to what?

Because he has been jerked around for 4 years and is paying the price right now with his second contract.

The team could free up $ by rescinding the QO and could move on by trying to get a FA.

Is he paying the price because he was jerked around? Or is he paying the price because no teams have cap space? Or is he paying the price because he declined 30M a year last year? If you noticed no RFA has signed a deal yet that hasn't been extended by their team.

What FA do you want?

Yes, to all of those reasons.

[Onus]

How many 1sts would people add to trade jk+moody+buddy for Trey Murphy and herb jones? 2 or 3?

[vvoland]

How many 1sts would people add to trade jk+moody+buddy for Trey Murphy and herb jones? 2 or 3?

2, if i can protect them.

[CS707]

I expect some team is going to make him a low-ball offer once the more desirable names are off the board and it's less prohibitive to have salary tied up in an offer sheet.

[HiRez]

How many 1sts would people add to trade jk+moody+buddy for Trey Murphy and herb jones? 2 or 3?

I love Murphy as a Warrior but 3 is way too much without protections.

2 top-8 protected (declining to top-4 protected, then unprotected)

Or if it's even possible, structure it so that if the picks end up meeting the criteria for protection, the other team has the option to make it a pick swap instead in the same year. That increases the value for NO because they essentially become unprotected, but compensates GS with a lower pick in that case.

But if Lacob is still thinking about Giannis or another big fish, they probably aren't trading any picks.