Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[clyde21]

Draymond Green plus a FRP for Drummond or Love.
Looney+ Toscano for McGee.

One more player that I can think is Obi Toppin who may have a low value right now and could be a good addition for cheap

wait...you want to give Dray for Love/Drummond AND throw in a first on top of it?

lmao.

Draymond Green(31yo) 4ppg,4.6 rpg, 5apg, 28 %fg
Andre Drummond(27yo) 19.3ppg, 15.1rpg, 2.9apg, 47.5 %fg

I don't think that this will be a bad trade for Warriors if we talk about their value right now in 2021

Drummond is a FA after this year, and he's been an empty stats player literally his entire career who plays very little defense...and u want to give up our best defensive player AND as a first rounder to that? lmao.

[clyde21]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

[vagelis]

wait...you want to give Dray for Love/Drummond AND throw in a first on top of it?

lmao.

Draymond Green(31yo) 4ppg,4.6 rpg, 5apg, 28 %fg
Andre Drummond(27yo) 19.3ppg, 15.1rpg, 2.9apg, 47.5 %fg

I don't think that this will be a bad trade for Warriors if we talk about their value right now in 2021

Drummond is a FA after this year, and he's been an empty stats player literally his entire career who plays very little defense...and u want to give up our best defensive player AND as a first rounder to that? lmao.

I didn't know that Drummond is a FA, so no FRP.
Just Green for Drummond. But Cleveland will have better offers for sure

[tarantism]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

[DAWill1128]

I like it but what’s in it for Houston?

Oladipo is on an expiring and he’s going to look elsewhere in the offseason. Assuming they don’t suddenly turn it on and become a great team he’s going to be shopped for draft picks, just depends on who is sending the best picks. But considering the franchises desire to lower its luxury tax taking on Oubre who is also an expiring is appealing.

While we may get outbid on the number of picks we also have the ability to free them of 13-14 million, other teams may not offer that amount in expiring contracts.

Most teams probably don’t want to give up talented players on multi year deals plus picks for half a season of Oladipo on an expiring. But we have Klay coming back next year and Oubre is the guy going out the door anyways on an expiring.

Id like to see us get Oladipo but wouldnt want to give up much at all to get him - since i dont see us contending for a title - and dont want to resign him to a max contract when we may be able to compete next season.

Im pretty sure we’d get outbid by a contender who may be willing to give up a late first and/or a young player on the fringe of their rotation.

For us, Im thinking Oubre + Poole + Smiley and then a few 2nds plus cash. Houston should get better offers but dont think I’d give up more.

Saves Houston some money, puts a few 2nds in their pocket, and some cash in their owners pocket.

I would love that trade, I don’t think Poole is going to bring much and who knows what’s going on with Smiley.

I assumed we would get outbid but most teams won’t be in playoff position so offering picks is pointless. It’s also really tough for an annual playoff team to make the trade work financially. Most good teams are top heavy salary wise and have similar caliber or better players on longer deals.

The only trades that worked for Oladipo that made sense were:

Dallas Trades: James Johnson and WCS + picks for Oladipo. But it really doesn’t make sense since they have Luka, THJ, and Richardson occupying the guard spots. Plus Dallas would be sacrificing it’s size.

Denver Trades: Gary Harris + picks for Oladipo. Makes sense for Denver if they want to improve the chance they win the West, although they may not want to lose Gary Harris on a rental. For Houston I am not sure they want to take on a big longer contract for picks.

Miami: Iguodola + Avery Bradley + picks for Oladipo.
This one probably makes the most sense since Iggy and Bradley are both team option contracts. Oladipo also wants to join the Heat. Guess it depends on if Riley is willing to make a move or wait till the offseason.

I think it will be like the Drummond situation where it doesn’t take much to get him because of the circumstance and high price of the contract. I don’t mind sacrificing 2nd rounders to give this team a punchers chance, the further we go the better chance we have with vets in free agency next year. I assume we are already bringing over Jessup which in a way is like adding a pick to the team next year.

[clyde21]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

stopped reading at ceiling

[GQ Hot Dog]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

I've been very impressed with the evolution of Barnes' game and having him in place of Wiggins would certainly improve our offense but we would lose so much defense. Wiggins is an all-NBA caliber defender while Barnes gets abused by the best SFs in the game.

Haliburton is nice but valuing him over Wiseman is just a grass-is-greener scenario. If we had Haliburton now the same people would be complaining that who we should have drafted was an ultra talented aircraft carrier to take us into the future.

[clyde21]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

I've been very impressed with the evolution of Barnes' game and having him in place of Wiggins would certainly improve our offense but we would lose so much defense. Wiggins is an all-NBA caliber defender while Barnes gets abused by the best SFs in the game.

Haliburton is nice but valuing him over Wiseman is just a grass-is-greener scenario. If we had Haliburton now the same people would be complaining that who we should have drafted was an ultra talented aircraft carrier to take us into the future.

not a grass is greener, I had Hali ranked higher pre draft and wanted to Myers to trade down and take him (or Vassell).

people don't understand how good of a fit Haliburton is in today's NBA and specifically OUR scheme/system.

[ILOVEIT]

Guys that would improve the team:
Beal
Oladipo
Tucker

These are the only guys "within reason" I'd move assets for.
Oubre and future 2nd for Tucker

How good would
Curry, Beal, Klay, Green, Wiseman be? Is that a dominant team?

I think it's possible we see a pretty big move at trade deadline.....because Houston and Wizards are prime sellers right now. Both would LOVE Wolves pick.

[xdrta+]

Houston wants to get rid of salary. They're not going to take on Oubre's higher salary for Tucker.

[tarantism]

the only trade that needed to be done was Wiseman/Wiggins for Haliburton/Barnes earlier in the year, but the cat's out of the bag on that one with the way Hali is playing.

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

stopped reading at ceiling

Stopped reading at stopped reading.

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[clyde21]

Guys that would improve the team:
Beal
Oladipo
Tucker

These are the only guys "within reason" I'd move assets for.
Oubre and future 2nd for Tucker

How good would
Curry, Beal, Klay, Green, Wiseman be? Is that a dominant team?

I think it's possible we see a pretty big move at trade deadline.....because Houston and Wizards are prime sellers right now. Both would LOVE Wolves pick.

we better not do something stupid for the Minny pick, just **** hold tight this year, there isn't a single move that will put us over a top this year anyways, completely pointless conversations. you trade for next year if you had to (hence the Hali/Barnes trade).

and you're not getting Beal without AT LEAST the Minny pick/Wiseman + more

[clyde21]

Wait you trashed other trades and then brought this?? Haliburton has a much lower ceiling than Wiseman. Like its not even close. And Harrison is an older, slower version of Wiggins who plays best as a small ball four. A trade like that leaves us with a gigantic hole at center and way too much Kelly Oubre.

stopped reading at ceiling

Stopped reading at stopped reading.

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good, we can't have a conversation after that ceiling nonsense

[tarantism]

stopped reading at ceiling

Stopped reading at stopped reading.

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good, we can't have a conversation after that ceiling nonsense

You're right, all players have limitless potential. What was I thinking?

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[Ilovethebay]

Guys that would improve the team:
Beal
Oladipo
Tucker

These are the only guys "within reason" I'd move assets for.
Oubre and future 2nd for Tucker

How good would
Curry, Beal, Klay, Green, Wiseman be? Is that a dominant team?

I think it's possible we see a pretty big move at trade deadline.....because Houston and Wizards are prime sellers right now. Both would LOVE Wolves pick.

we better not do something stupid for the Minny pick, just **** hold tight this year, there isn't a single move that will put us over a top this year anyways, completely pointless conversations. you trade for next year if you had to (hence the Hali/Barnes trade).

and you're not getting Beal without AT LEAST the Minny pick/Wiseman + more

We need to trade this pick to help our core. When you’re gifted with the best shooting backcourt ever, you get them some help. I get that this draft is supposed to be a good one, but we are picking 4th at best, by the time said player can help our core it could be too late. I’ve looked at the last 10 years of #4 picks. The chances aren’t in our favor that we will draft a star.
I don’t advocate making a Brooklyn/Milwaukee type trade but we owe it to our core imo to get them some help if the price is right. If we can make a move that would improve our playoff chances this year it could pay huge dividends next year and the years to come.

[clyde21]

Guys that would improve the team:
Beal
Oladipo
Tucker

These are the only guys "within reason" I'd move assets for.
Oubre and future 2nd for Tucker

How good would
Curry, Beal, Klay, Green, Wiseman be? Is that a dominant team?

I think it's possible we see a pretty big move at trade deadline.....because Houston and Wizards are prime sellers right now. Both would LOVE Wolves pick.

we better not do something stupid for the Minny pick, just **** hold tight this year, there isn't a single move that will put us over a top this year anyways, completely pointless conversations. you trade for next year if you had to (hence the Hali/Barnes trade).

and you're not getting Beal without AT LEAST the Minny pick/Wiseman + more

We need to trade this pick to help our core. When you’re gifted with the best shooting backcourt ever, you get them some help. I get that this draft is supposed to be a good one, but we are picking 4th at best, by the time said player can help our core it could be too late. I’ve looked at the last 10 years of #4 picks. The chances aren’t in our favor that we will draft a star.
I don’t advocate making a Brooklyn/Milwaukee type trade but we owe it to our core imo to get them some help if the price is right. If we can make a move that would improve our playoff chances this year it could pay huge dividends next year and the years to come.

you don't "help them" by trading for **** players that don't fit, you help them by getting young studs on rookie deals, which makes our cap infinitely more flexible to actually add pieces around them...the most valuable contracts in the league are rookies that contribute while they're on rookie deals...locking up a guy like Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley will be huge for our core moving forward.

who are u trading the Minny pick for that will be worth it? Beal? not gonna happen. you're gonna have to throw in Wiseman AND more 1sts on top of it.

this is not how you sustain success, this is the exact opposite.

[Ilovethebay]

we better not do something stupid for the Minny pick, just **** hold tight this year, there isn't a single move that will put us over a top this year anyways, completely pointless conversations. you trade for next year if you had to (hence the Hali/Barnes trade).

and you're not getting Beal without AT LEAST the Minny pick/Wiseman + more

We need to trade this pick to help our core. When you’re gifted with the best shooting backcourt ever, you get them some help. I get that this draft is supposed to be a good one, but we are picking 4th at best, by the time said player can help our core it could be too late. I’ve looked at the last 10 years of #4 picks. The chances aren’t in our favor that we will draft a star.
I don’t advocate making a Brooklyn/Milwaukee type trade but we owe it to our core imo to get them some help if the price is right. If we can make a move that would improve our playoff chances this year it could pay huge dividends next year and the years to come.

you don't "help them" by trading for **** players that don't fit, you help them by getting young studs on rookie deals, which makes our cap infinitely more flexible to actually add pieces around them...the most valuable contracts in the league are rookies that contribute while they're on rookie deals...locking up a guy like Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley will be huge for our core moving forward.

who are u trading the Minny pick for that will be worth it? Beal? not gonna happen. you're gonna have to throw in Wiseman AND more 1sts on top of it.

this is not how you sustain success, this is the exact opposite.

Who said anything about trading it for players that don’t fit ? Also the draft is a crapshoot. It’s even more of crapshoot if you don’t know when or where you’re picking. This pick could be end up being in the 8-12 range. It could also end up being worse next year. The risks are huge. I’d rather grab a player that I know can help us now rather than trying to luck out on a draft pick. All the while our core gets older.

[tarantism]

We need to trade this pick to help our core. When you’re gifted with the best shooting backcourt ever, you get them some help. I get that this draft is supposed to be a good one, but we are picking 4th at best, by the time said player can help our core it could be too late. I’ve looked at the last 10 years of #4 picks. The chances aren’t in our favor that we will draft a star.
I don’t advocate making a Brooklyn/Milwaukee type trade but we owe it to our core imo to get them some help if the price is right. If we can make a move that would improve our playoff chances this year it could pay huge dividends next year and the years to come.

you don't "help them" by trading for **** players that don't fit, you help them by getting young studs on rookie deals, which makes our cap infinitely more flexible to actually add pieces around them...the most valuable contracts in the league are rookies that contribute while they're on rookie deals...locking up a guy like Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley will be huge for our core moving forward.

who are u trading the Minny pick for that will be worth it? Beal? not gonna happen. you're gonna have to throw in Wiseman AND more 1sts on top of it.

this is not how you sustain success, this is the exact opposite.

Who said anything about trading it for players that don’t fit ? Also the draft is a crapshoot. It’s even more of crapshoot if you don’t know when or where you’re picking. This pick could be end up being in the 8-12 range. It could also end up being worse next year. The risks are huge. I’d rather grab a player that I know can help us now rather than trying to luck out on a draft pick. All the while our core gets older.

Our core is getting older regardless. Beal will be turning 28 this year and once our core ages out he will have to carry the team on his own. How is that working out for Washington? Trading for Beal means no Wiseman, no other young talent on the team and zero prospects of adding young, affordable talent through the draft for at least 4-5 years (by which time Beal would be entering his mid 30s).

Its a nightmare scenario, and it is clearly not the direction that the FO want to go. Just be patient, Wiseman looks good and we will likely add another high lottery pick next year. Beal doesn't put us over the top.

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[clyde21]

no wonder yall like myers

[Ilovethebay]

you don't "help them" by trading for **** players that don't fit, you help them by getting young studs on rookie deals, which makes our cap infinitely more flexible to actually add pieces around them...the most valuable contracts in the league are rookies that contribute while they're on rookie deals...locking up a guy like Jalen Suggs or Evan Mobley will be huge for our core moving forward.

who are u trading the Minny pick for that will be worth it? Beal? not gonna happen. you're gonna have to throw in Wiseman AND more 1sts on top of it.

this is not how you sustain success, this is the exact opposite.

Who said anything about trading it for players that don’t fit ? Also the draft is a crapshoot. It’s even more of crapshoot if you don’t know when or where you’re picking. This pick could be end up being in the 8-12 range. It could also end up being worse next year. The risks are huge. I’d rather grab a player that I know can help us now rather than trying to luck out on a draft pick. All the while our core gets older.

Our core is getting older regardless. Beal will be turning 28 this year and once our core ages out he will have to carry the team on his own. How is that working out for Washington? Trading for Beal means no Wiseman, no other young talent on the team and zero prospects of adding young, affordable talent through the draft for at least 4-5 years (by which time Beal would be entering his mid 30s).

Its a nightmare scenario, and it is clearly not the direction that the FO want to go. Just be patient, Wiseman looks good and we will likely add another high lottery pick next year. Beal doesn't put us over the top.

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Who said anything about trading Wiseman or trading for Beal? My whole point was that the Minny pick doesn’t guarantee anything for us. I feel like we are 2 pieces away from being a legit contender. One of those pieces should be ripe by next season (Wiseman). The other doesn’t have to come from waiting for the pick to be ready to help out our core. You don’t play “trust the process” when your hand is as good as ours. Maybe I’m just more of a bird in the hand type of guy than others.
Your Beal scenario is a good one in this sense: Wiseman could end up being in a Beal like situation if the pick doesn’t net anyone good in about 3 years when Steph and Klay are losing their battle to Father Time.